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Post by stabcaesar on Jun 17, 2018 17:32:54 GMT
and who deserve(d) all of them?
In alphabetical order:
Ingrid Bergman
Cate Blanchett
Marlon Brando
Walter Brennan
Michael Caine
Gary Cooper
Bette Davis
Daniel Day-Lewis
Olivia de Havilland
Robert De Niro
Melvyn Douglas
Sally Field
Jane Fonda
Jodie Foster
Gene Hackman
Tom Hanks
Helen Hayes
Katharine Hepburn
Dustin Hoffman
Glenda Jackson
Jessica Lange
Vivien Leigh
Jack Lemmon
Fredric March
Jack Nicholson
Sean Penn
Anthony Quinn
Luise Rainer
Jason Robards
Maggie Smith
Kevin Spacey
Meryl Streep
Hilary Swank
Elizabeth Taylor
Spencer Tracy
Peter Ustinov
Christoph Waltz
Denzel Washington
Dianne Wiest
Shelley Winters
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jun 17, 2018 17:46:16 GMT
Not too fond of both Sean Penn's wins so I'm gonna pick him . He deserved the oscar for DEAD MAN WALKING , though and his snub for CARLITO'S WAY is still a big freakin' joke !
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Post by stephen on Jun 17, 2018 18:02:38 GMT
And haven't seen Save the Tiger, but only nod Lemmon deserved was Glengarry and Days of Wine and Roses. Had he been cast in place of Fonda in 12 Angry Men however, that would've been his signature but those Wilder comedies while iconic doesn't feel like strong work to me. I'd actually argue that Lemmon is one of the strongest actors on this list. Fully deserved both of his wins ( Save the Tiger ranks as one of the best wins in the category), and he showed a remarkable versatility in both comedy and drama. Completely agree on Wiest, though. She'd be my choice out of this bunch (or Swank, whose first win is really good but who is pretty intolerable otherwise). |
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Post by Viced on Jun 17, 2018 18:05:44 GMT
The two that jump out at me is Diane Wiest and Jack Lemmon. Don't like anything she does except some stuff on TV. And haven't seen Save the Tiger, but only nod Lemmon deserved was Glengarry and Days of Wine and Roses. Had he been cast in place of Fonda in 12 Angry Men however, that would've been his signature but those Wilder comedies while iconic doesn't feel like strong work to me. He was, in 1997. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 18:40:27 GMT
There are actors on this list who I have huge problems with (Michael Caine, Jessica Lange, Kevin Spacey, Christoph Waltz), but the answer to the question is easily Hilary Swank.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Jun 17, 2018 18:56:25 GMT
I would go with Sean Penn probably. I mean it's usually a case when the sets of performances aren't great, in which case, as much as I love the guy I didn't think Robards was worthy of his two Oscars or Waltz.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jun 17, 2018 18:56:49 GMT
I haven't seen all these winnings movies but the one that strikes out as pretty bad is Sean Penn.
Maggie Smith and Vivien Leigh are probably the best. California Suite is not that great as a film but she was nothing short of brilliant in it. Jean Brodie, Streetcar, and Gone with the Wind all go without saying. All 3 are absolute all-timers in my book.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 17, 2018 19:20:12 GMT
I dissent on the Penn bashing. He didn't deserve his win for Milk but he's great in Milk - a lot worse have won - and this nonsense that Bill Murray or whomever deserved it over Mystic River ignores that not only was he great there he was stupendous in 21 Grams the same year. Said it before, I'll say it again, he's the most talented film actor of his 80s generation and I know that isn't a popular opinion but I'm sticking to it. Also: in what f'n world is Gary Cooper - a bland bore in everything he ever did "more deserving" or a better actor than Sean Penn in this poll?  |
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Post by stephen on Jun 17, 2018 20:01:17 GMT
I'd actually argue that Lemmon is one of the strongest actors on this list. Fully deserved both of his wins ( Save the Tiger ranks as one of the best wins in the category), and he showed a remarkable versatility in both comedy and drama. Completely agree on Wiest, though. She'd be my choice out of this bunch (or Swank, whose first win is really good but who is pretty intolerable otherwise). Let's agree to disagree on Lemmon. I feel like he was more of the Tom Hanks of his era (and not Stewart), and his brand of common man likeable characters wasn't anything original, and later actors have taken his model and done equally if not better work with it. Not that Stewart wasn't like Tom Hanks ya know, but Lemmon moreso, imo. I haven't seen Save the Tiger, so I'll assume it's as good as some people say he was. Maybe it's just "he beat Pacino" that people say his Oscar was undeserved, but I have no opinion on something I haven't seen. I don't feel like his Mr. Roberts win was deserved though, I feel like that's a role Bogart would've crushed, and he didn't do anything too special there. His work in Days of Wine and Roses is pretty dope though, and stands out even against standards of his era. It's a shame people usually remember him for his more accessible comedies, as I feel his work there is largely underseen and deserves to be called his best performance. I'm aware he was in the remake of 12 Angry Men. And he was better than Fonda 40 years earlier. I'm just saying, had he been cast originally in 1957 in it, that performance would go down in history because the original is like... a classic. I don't really see people dissing Lemmon's win as merely "he beat Pacino." That unjust criticism is lobbed more at Art Carney (who did deserve to win out over his fellow competitors). I also can't see any sort of trace of Bogart in his Ensign Pulver; it should also be said that Bogart was a deceptively versatile performer. Lemmon had the likability of Stewart and Hanks, but he also went dark far more often and with far more success. Save the Tiger is a must-watch; Jack Gilford's also impeccable in it and the script is extraordinarily strong. He's excellent in Days of Wine and Roses, this is true, and he is probably more remembered now for his comedic works (which are still excellent), but his dramatic work is where he truly made his mark. Glengarry Glen Ross is merely the cherry at the end of a fantastic dramatic career in films; his television turns in 12 Angry Men and Inherit the Wind only further that. It should be noted that Lemmon is one of the only performers listed above whose wins match mine 100%. Peter Ustinov is the only other one who does. (Daniel Day-Lewis is 2/3 for me, but he's merely my runner-up for Lincoln). |
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Post by stephen on Jun 17, 2018 20:03:22 GMT
I dissent on the Penn bashing. He didn't deserve his win for Milk but he's great in Milk - a lot worse have won - and this nonsense that Bill Murray or whomever deserved it over Mystic River ignores that not only was he great there he was stupendous in 21 Grams the same year. Said it before, I'll say it again, he's the most talented film actor of his 80s generation and I know that isn't a popular opinion but I'm sticking to it. Also: in what f'n world is Gary Cooper - a bland bore in everything he ever did "more deserving" or a better actor than Sean Penn in this poll? Cooper is probably the most limited actor listed here who isn't Hilary Swank, but his Will Kane is a thing of absolute beauty. That and a few of his '30s works keep him from being my pick. |
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Jun 17, 2018 20:22:01 GMT
I dissent on the Penn bashing. He didn't deserve his win for Milk but he's great in Milk - a lot worse have won - and this nonsense that Bill Murray or whomever deserved it over Mystic River ignores that not only was he great there he was stupendous in 21 Grams the same year. Said it before, I'll say it again, he's the most talented film actor of his 80s generation and I know that isn't a popular opinion but I'm sticking to it. Also: in what f'n world is Gary Cooper - a bland bore in everything he ever did "more deserving" or a better actor than Sean Penn in this poll? Dude... are you reading my mind? |
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Post by wallsofjericho on Jun 17, 2018 20:22:09 GMT
I think Save The Tiger isn't a great film but Lemmon is fantastic in the role. It encompasses his best qualities as an actor and I thought he was the best of the nominees. Most people are upset that he beat Brando than Pacino that year and as good as Brando was I think Lemmon's was the stronger performance.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jun 17, 2018 21:05:51 GMT
There are actors on this list who I have huge problems with ( Michael Caine, Jessica Lange, Kevin Spacey, Christoph Waltz), but the answer to the question is easily Hilary Swank. this one as well |
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Jun 17, 2018 21:53:55 GMT
Michael Caine and Hilary Swank, and I like both, especially My Cocaine, a fucking legend
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Post by bob-coppola on Jun 17, 2018 23:49:33 GMT
C'mon, it's Jessica Lange. It's incredible how much she improved over the years, she comes across as much more natural in her TV Ryan Murphy works than in her Oscar winning movies.
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Post by mrimpossible on Jun 18, 2018 0:32:30 GMT
Gary Cooper.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 18, 2018 5:37:14 GMT
Woah, didn't know it was that many, I thought it was more special.
Of the ones from whom I've seen a significant amount, Anthony Quinn or Liz Taylor. Not that I strongly dislike either of them.
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Post by jimmalone on Jun 18, 2018 9:39:07 GMT
Worst (of those where I have seen both wins) are likely Jessica Lange, though I like her turn in Tootsie, but I think she was terrible in Blue Sky and not good in most movies I've seen her in and maybe Hilary Swank, though again I liked her first oscar win and thought she was good in Million Dollar Baby. Aside this however I've never seen a performance of her I'd call very good.
Also Dianne Wiest really shouldn't be there as well as Christoph Waltz.
I agree with the Oscars of Marlon Brando, Robert DeNiro, Jane Fonda and Gene Hackman, who get the same wins in my books.
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