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Post by Allenism on Jun 12, 2018 2:56:25 GMT
 Toni for me. Cate has had many more opportunities to show the breadth and weight of her talent, but her theatrical tendencies persist even when it's at a disservice to the role. Toni doesn't always hit the bullseye (though the consistency point would still go to her), but can generally disappear into a character with an ease that I don't see in Cate. |
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 12, 2018 7:40:30 GMT
Toni
Toni has a warmth, which as good as Blanchett is, I've never felt from her. Also, Collette has my favourite performance from all the work I've seen from the two, which also goes in her favour.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 12, 2018 8:33:48 GMT
I like Colette but Blanchett usually wins over most everyone for me these days.
I'm one of those people who actually prefer her "theatrical tendencies" anyway......like that's what makes her special and distinct and almost anything (almost) you bring from the the theater is better for film imo........ Colette disappearing into a character, I kind of don't like much either, because on some level that's suppressing what you makes you special and distinct too - I always prefer when I see the actor/character meet in the middle if I have to choose, though sometimes disappearing is needed too.
I do find Colette a welcome presence in any film she's in as well and am looking forward a lot to Hereditary.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 12, 2018 14:55:06 GMT
Cate. Colette is terrific as well, but Blanchett is just amazing.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 12, 2018 15:17:05 GMT
I've only seen Colette in a couple things, but none of them hold a candle to Blanchett's highs.
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Post by Allenism on Jun 12, 2018 15:19:22 GMT
I've only seen Colette in a couple things, but none of them hold a candle to Blanchett's highs. Yeah that's incorrect. |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jun 12, 2018 15:24:16 GMT
Both are fantastic but I've always had a soft spot for Collette . She makes it look so effortless . One of the most naturally talented actresses out there . Blanchett's talent is undeniable as well but she can be a little bit too "actressy" (or theatrical if you prefer) for my taste sometimes (same issue with Jessica Lange).
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jun 12, 2018 15:25:32 GMT
Toni Toni has a warmth, which as good as Blanchett is, I've never felt from her. Also, Collette has my favourite performance from all the work I've seen from the two, which also goes in her favour.  |
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Post by stephen on Jun 12, 2018 15:25:37 GMT
Blanchett, quite handily. There are times where I think she's missed the mark on a role (Carol, The Shipping News), but those times are extremely sparse for such a diverse and wide-spanning catalogue. Collette is good with a couple of extraordinarily great performances to her credit (Japanese Story, Hereditary), but I genuinely think a lot of the adulation she gets is from people who are enamored with the idea of her, rather than what she's actually done on-screen. The fact that so many people had her as their win for The Hours on the old board still baffles me to this day, but that's just me.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 12, 2018 15:27:09 GMT
I've only seen Colette in a couple things, but none of them hold a candle to Blanchett's highs. Yeah that's incorrect. Blanchett has so much more range. The comparison almost isn't fair. |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jun 12, 2018 15:29:58 GMT
Blanchett has so much more range. The comparison almost isn't fair. But you've just said : I've only seen Colette in a couple things...
You need to watch more of her work . She is as extraordnary as Blanchett if not more ! 
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Post by stabcaesar on Jun 12, 2018 15:50:04 GMT
Blanchett, easily.
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Post by Viced on Jun 12, 2018 17:07:46 GMT
Cate. Colette is terrific as well, but Blanchette is just amazing. raygittes sock account confirmed. |
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Post by bob-coppola on Jun 12, 2018 18:26:01 GMT
Blanchett. I like Collette a lot, I'm a fan of what she did in United States of Tara and Miss You Already, and look forward to seeing her in Hereditary. But Cate operates on a whole other level.
I really just think they're two very different types of actresses. Collette can disappear with more ease into a wider range of roles, when Blanchett will always look effortlessly sophisticated - which always prevents her from playing certain characters. But other than that, Blanchett's peaks are almost unbeatable.
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Post by wattsnew on Jun 13, 2018 5:04:04 GMT
Toni, easily.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 13, 2018 6:38:16 GMT
Not sure how anyone can complain about Blanchett being too theatrical, and use Collette as a counterpoint. Collette could and often does chew scenery through a tennis racket. Collette is much of the time super-theatrical in the sense of going "big", but she's not as consistent with it as Blanchett, who manifests her talent in a more chameleonic way than Collette. Both could ungenerously be called "hams" at times.
Nicole Kidman, who understands the concept and application of nuance way more than either of these two, is a better than both of of them. But it's a pretty impressive generation of Australian actressses if you also throw in Rachel Griffiths and Naomi Watts.
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Post by Allenism on Jun 13, 2018 14:18:16 GMT
Not sure how anyone can complain about Blanchett being too theatrical, and use Collette as a counterpoint. Collette could and often does chew scenery through a tennis racket. Collette is much of the time super-theatrical in the sense of going "big", but she's not as consistent with it as Blanchett, who manifests her talent in a more chameleonic way than Collette. Both could ungenerously be called "hams" at times. Nicole Kidman, who understands the concept and application of nuance way more than either of these two, is a better than both of of them. But it's a pretty impressive generation of Australian actressses if you also throw in Rachel Griffiths and Naomi Watts. , etc. all disprove your spurious claim about Collette reaching Blanchett-levels of theatricality. She overdid it in The Hours (my least favorite performance of hers), but even there she was the epitome of nuance when contrasted with her opponent in The Aviator, Elizabeth: The Golden Age, etc. And Kidman on her best day is still a far cry from Collett on hers. I'd even place her below Blanchett in terms of "objective" talent even if I largely prefer Kidman's more introspective approach. Watts vacillates wildly between impressive and awful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 14:43:42 GMT
I voted for Toni Collette... Too often, Blanchett is all effect and no soul. I would rank both Blue Jasmine and Carol ahead of Collette's best work, though - Blanchett's best work is just harder to shake.
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Post by tastytomatoes on Jun 13, 2018 15:27:32 GMT
I voted for Toni Collette... Too often, Blanchett is all effect and no soul. I would rank both Blue Jasmine and Carol ahead of Collette's best work, though - Blanchett's best work is just harder to shake. You should see Babel. Her scenes with Pitt are few and but her performance is what I'd call with soul. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 13, 2018 15:38:32 GMT
Not sure how anyone can complain about Blanchett being too theatrical, and use Collette as a counterpoint. Collette could and often does chew scenery through a tennis racket. Collette is much of the time super-theatrical in the sense of going "big", but she's not as consistent with it as Blanchett, who manifests her talent in a more chameleonic way than Collette. Both could ungenerously be called "hams" at times. Nicole Kidman, who understands the concept and application of nuance way more than either of these two, is a better than both of of them. But it's a pretty impressive generation of Australian actressses if you also throw in Rachel Griffiths and Naomi Watts. And Kidman on her best day is still a far cry from Collett on hers. I'd even place her below Blanchett in terms of "objective" talent even if I largely prefer Kidman's more introspective approach. You lost me there buddy. Kidman has given some of the most indelible and unique screen performances for over a quarter of a century. Collette has had many good moments over her career, but talent-wise, she's nowhere near Kidman, And while she's been in plenty bad films, Kidman has never truly been bad herself. Collette has been downright awful and unwatchable several times (try watching her nails on a chalkboard performance in Connie and Carla. I double dare you). I rooted for Collete in Muriel's Wedding (I was almost about to say Strictly Ballroom, as Collette is almost interchangable with Tara Morice in those very specific Aussie Bogan underdog stories). And she's done fine character work in things like The Sixth Sense and Little Miss Sunshine. But Kidman has cemented her place in cinematic and cinephile history with performances like To Die For, Dogville, Birth, The Others, Moulin Rouge, Big Little Lies and many many more. Kidman's body of work is more comparable to someone like Streep than Collette. Aside from the dedicated 20-strong Toni Collete fanclub kicking around the internet, which Toni Collete performances inspire the same level on constant analysis and cinephile following as Kidman's finest efforts?Japanese Story? If Collette didn't have a performance out now, you'd rarely actally hear anybody ever talking about it (and it is a terrific performance).. I agree fully with Stephen. Collette's been in a lot of stuff, but her impact and influence has been surprisingly muted. People like the idea of Collette more than the actual work she's delivered onscreen. She's got talent. She's done good work. But so have many very solid actresses. To me, she's very clearly a level below Kidman and Blanchett. Which is not a terrible place to be. Not everyone can be among the greats of their era. |
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Post by Allenism on Jun 13, 2018 16:04:43 GMT
And Kidman on her best day is still a far cry from Collett on hers. I'd even place her below Blanchett in terms of "objective" talent even if I largely prefer Kidman's more introspective approach. You lost me there buddy. Kidman has given some of the most indelible and unique screen performances for over a quarter of a century. Collette has had many good moments over her career, but talent-wise, she's nowhere near Kidman, And while she's been in plenty bad films, Kidman has never truly been bad herself. Collette has been downright awful and unwatchable several times (try watching her nails on a chalkboard performance in Connie and Carla. I double dare you). I rooted for Collete in Muriel's Wedding (I was almost about to say Strictly Ballroom, as Collette is almost interchangable with Tara Morice in those very specific Aussie Bogan underdog stories). And she's done fine character work in things like The Sixth Sense and Little Miss Sunshine. But Kidman has cemented her place in cinematic and cinephile history with performances like To Die For, Dogville, Birth, The Others, Moulin Rouge, Big Little Lies and many many more. Kidman's body of work is more comparable to someone like Streep than Collette. Aside from the dedicated 20-strong Toni Collete fanclub kicking around the internet, which Toni Collete performances inspire the same level on constant analysis and cinephile following as Kidman's finest efforts?Japanese Story? If Collette didn't have a performance out now, you'd rarely actally hear anybody ever talking about it (and it is a terrific performance).. I agree fully with Stephen. Collette's been in a lot of stuff, but her impact and influence has been surprisingly muted. People like the idea of Collette more than the actual work she's delivered onscreen. She's got talent. She's done good work. But so have many very solid actresses. To me, she's very clearly a level below Kidman and Blanchett. Which is not a terrible place to be. Not everyone can be among the greats of their era. Not sure what you're prattling on about, as Kidman has been bad on several occasions and I say that as a fan of hers. (Blanchett has turned in a few howlers herself.) I haven't seen Connie and Carla, but pitting one truly bad performance against the array of Kidman's missteps isn't working in your favor. You also seem to be confused with the abundance and caliber of opportunities that Kidman and Blanchett have been afforded with the general quality of all three women's respective outputs. Of course the former two are going to be more "remembered" due to their high-profile careers, but that shouldn't really factor into the appraisal of their actual acting. |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jun 13, 2018 16:41:44 GMT
And Kidman on her best day is still a far cry from Collett on hers. I'd even place her below Blanchett in terms of "objective" talent even if I largely prefer Kidman's more introspective approach. You lost me there buddy. Kidman has given some of the most indelible and unique screen performances for over a quarter of a century. Collette has had many good moments over her career, but talent-wise, she's nowhere near Kidman, And while she's been in plenty bad films, Kidman has never truly been bad herself. Collette has been downright awful and unwatchable several times (try watching her nails on a chalkboard performance in Connie and Carla. I double dare you). I rooted for Collete in Muriel's Wedding (I was almost about to say Strictly Ballroom, as Collette is almost interchangable with Tara Morice in those very specific Aussie Bogan underdog stories). And she's done fine character work in things like The Sixth Sense and Little Miss Sunshine. But Kidman has cemented her place in cinematic and cinephile history with performances like To Die For, Dogville, Birth, The Others, Moulin Rouge, Big Little Lies and many many more. Kidman's body of work is more comparable to someone like Streep than Collette. Aside from the dedicated 20-strong Toni Collete fanclub kicking around the internet, which Toni Collete performances inspire the same level on constant analysis and cinephile following as Kidman's finest efforts?Japanese Story? If Collette didn't have a performance out now, you'd rarely actally hear anybody ever talking about it (and it is a terrific performance).. I agree fully with Stephen. Collette's been in a lot of stuff, but her impact and influence has been surprisingly muted. People like the idea of Collette more than the actual work she's delivered onscreen. She's got talent. She's done good work. But so have many very solid actresses. To me, she's very clearly a level below Kidman and Blanchett. Which is not a terrible place to be. Not everyone can be among the greats of their era. Such an underrated gem of a movie !!! Collette + Nia Vardalos were enchanting and adorably funny in that one . WTF are you talking about ? And it's definitely a better performance than the one Kidman gave in GRACE OF MONACO  |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 13, 2018 16:47:21 GMT
You lost me there buddy. Kidman has given some of the most indelible and unique screen performances for over a quarter of a century. Collette has had many good moments over her career, but talent-wise, she's nowhere near Kidman, And while she's been in plenty bad films, Kidman has never truly been bad herself. Collette has been downright awful and unwatchable several times (try watching her nails on a chalkboard performance in Connie and Carla. I double dare you). I rooted for Collete in Muriel's Wedding (I was almost about to say Strictly Ballroom, as Collette is almost interchangable with Tara Morice in those very specific Aussie Bogan underdog stories). And she's done fine character work in things like The Sixth Sense and Little Miss Sunshine. But Kidman has cemented her place in cinematic and cinephile history with performances like To Die For, Dogville, Birth, The Others, Moulin Rouge, Big Little Lies and many many more. Kidman's body of work is more comparable to someone like Streep than Collette. Aside from the dedicated 20-strong Toni Collete fanclub kicking around the internet, which Toni Collete performances inspire the same level on constant analysis and cinephile following as Kidman's finest efforts?Japanese Story? If Collette didn't have a performance out now, you'd rarely actally hear anybody ever talking about it (and it is a terrific performance).. I agree fully with Stephen. Collette's been in a lot of stuff, but her impact and influence has been surprisingly muted. People like the idea of Collette more than the actual work she's delivered onscreen. She's got talent. She's done good work. But so have many very solid actresses. To me, she's very clearly a level below Kidman and Blanchett. Which is not a terrible place to be. Not everyone can be among the greats of their era. Not sure what you're prattling on about, as Kidman has been bad on several occasions and I say that as a fan of hers. (Blanchett has turned in a few howlers herself.) I haven't seen Connie and Carla, but pitting one truly bad performance against the array of Kidman's missteps isn't working in your favor. You also seem to be confused with the abundance and caliber of opportunities that Kidman and Blanchett have been afforded with the general quality of all three women's respective outputs. Of course the former two are going to be more "remembered" due to their high-profile careers, but that shouldn't really factor into the appraisal of their actual acting. I said what I said. Kidman has never truly been bad, imho. Even when she's arguably been miscast (ie The Human Stain), her actual acting tends to still be strong. She's maybe average or servicable on occassions, but never aggressively bad. She's taken a lot of shit when a production has flopped, but that's mainly down to her extreme celebrity making her the easiest target. She caught flak for the creative failure Grace Of Monaco, yet she still had the best reviewed performance in the movie, and recieved a Best Actress SAG nomination, for what many regarded as a debacle. She had the best reviewed performances in Bewitched and The Stepford Wives (two of her very famous failures), yet was still "blamed" for those movies flopping, because she's Nicole Kidman. In fact, one of the constants in Kidman's career is being the best thing, or best reviewed performance in critically drubbed movies. The Golden Compass, The Paperboy, Birth (even though it's been critically reassed as a masterpiece, it was a critical failure on release). So yeah, I said what I said. Kidman has withstood and survived the many brickbats thrown at her for her looks, celebrity, personal life and box office flops, because she's extremely consistent, even though she takes huge risks very regularly. She's made many missteps with films. Very few in terms of acting. At least not to the point where I could consider it "bad". |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 13, 2018 16:51:57 GMT
You lost me there buddy. Kidman has given some of the most indelible and unique screen performances for over a quarter of a century. Collette has had many good moments over her career, but talent-wise, she's nowhere near Kidman, And while she's been in plenty bad films, Kidman has never truly been bad herself. Collette has been downright awful and unwatchable several times (try watching her nails on a chalkboard performance in Connie and Carla. I double dare you). I rooted for Collete in Muriel's Wedding (I was almost about to say Strictly Ballroom, as Collette is almost interchangable with Tara Morice in those very specific Aussie Bogan underdog stories). And she's done fine character work in things like The Sixth Sense and Little Miss Sunshine. But Kidman has cemented her place in cinematic and cinephile history with performances like To Die For, Dogville, Birth, The Others, Moulin Rouge, Big Little Lies and many many more. Kidman's body of work is more comparable to someone like Streep than Collette. Aside from the dedicated 20-strong Toni Collete fanclub kicking around the internet, which Toni Collete performances inspire the same level on constant analysis and cinephile following as Kidman's finest efforts?Japanese Story? If Collette didn't have a performance out now, you'd rarely actally hear anybody ever talking about it (and it is a terrific performance).. I agree fully with Stephen. Collette's been in a lot of stuff, but her impact and influence has been surprisingly muted. People like the idea of Collette more than the actual work she's delivered onscreen. She's got talent. She's done good work. But so have many very solid actresses. To me, she's very clearly a level below Kidman and Blanchett. Which is not a terrible place to be. Not everyone can be among the greats of their era. Such an underrated gem of a movie !!! Collette + Nia Vardalos were enchanting and adorably funny in that one . WTF are you talking about ? And it's definitely a better performance than the one Kidman gave in GRACE OF MONACO If you enjoy watching two screeching harpies for nearly 2 hours, more power to you. There's a reason Vardalos hasn't done much of note in movies since that movie. And as I said in my last post, Nicole Kidman gave a SAG Best Actress nominated performance in GRACE OF MONACO. Kidman was actually the best thing about that movie. Don't get confused by the fact that Kidman's name becomes the focal point of all her "flop movies', with her actual performance. That's just tabloid bullshit you are buying into. Kidman gets SAG nominated performances for massive critical flops like The Paperboy and Grace Of Monaco. Because actual actors realise she's great even in trash movies. Sleep on that. |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jun 13, 2018 17:06:37 GMT
Such an underrated gem of a movie !!! Collette + Nia Vardalos were enchanting and adorably funny in that one . WTF are you talking about ? And it's definitely a better performance than the one Kidman gave in GRACE OF MONACO If you enjoy watching two screeching harpies for nearly 2 hours, more power to you. There's a reason Vardalos hasn't done much since that movie. And as I said in my last post, Nicole Kidman gave a SAG Best Actress nominated performance in GRACE OF MONACO. Kidman was actually the best thing about that movie. Don't get confused by the fact that Kidman's name becomes the focal point of all her "flop movies', with her actual performance. That's just tabloid bullshit you are buying into. Kidman gets SAG nominated performances for massive critical flops like The Paperboy and Grace Of Monaco. Because actual actors realise she's great even in trash movies. Sleep on that. She got nominated because it was a weak year ! (although I'm still shoked that they picked her over Kirsten Dunst !) They even nominated Susan Sarandon for that godawful Marilyn Monroe film . And please , her performance in laughable . Watching her trying to mimick the late Grace Kelly was as excruciating as watching her best pal Naomi Watts trying to become the late Princess Diana. Besides , the majority of critics panned her performance saying it was definitely not her "finest hour". I like Kidman but on Streep level , she is not ! At least , not yet .To each his own I guess . |
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