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Post by Mattsby on May 12, 2018 20:35:34 GMT
For some years now there have been so many reports - a lot of them unsubstantiated - about his behavior etc. Recent articles talk about his 'fall from grace' and 'how it all went wrong' as well as all the legal commotion over his finances. I think there are several complex and interesting elements to his career and life right now worth discussing.
Behavior...... Allegations from Amber Heard which have mostly smoothed over (?), now his security team, but also on-set stuff from the latest Pirates, City of Lies, etc.
Financial....... So he's apparently lost $650m now in debt and has a trial against his ex business managers in August, just a whole lot of suing and countersuing, bodyguards, accountants, reps, lawyers coming and going, etc. Quite a mess.
He's touring with his band around the world from May 17-July 8. It could be a distraction from it all or maybe he's just unfazed, the guy is definitely passionate about music. What's also interesting: his latest two projects the smaller but still probably commercial City of Lies and the even smaller indie Richard Says Goodbye which especially you can picture as a return to form for him. These aren't "crisis" cash-grab projects; the kind you saw after Cage/Pacino had their money problems.
Are those projects yet to come for Depp? Will he turn into a "Brando" on-set nuisance of sorts?
Speaking of Brando, he told Depp to take a year off, study and play Hamlet, and since '95 every five years or so Depp has teased it. Now he's too old for Hamlet, but there are other great roles even with Shakespeare. Just interesting that his career might've played out so differently, like what if The Brave was a little better and well received he probably would've directed more. It's not too late either of course -- and I don't think he's lost his acting talent at all actually.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 12, 2018 22:09:11 GMT
Speaking of Brando, he told Depp to take a year off, study and play Hamlet, and since '95 every five years or so Depp has teased it. Now he's too old for Hamlet, but there are other great roles even with Shakespeare. Just interesting that his career might've played out so differently, like what if The Brave was a little better and well received he probably would've directed more. It's not too late either of course -- and I don't think he's lost his acting talent at all actually. I think Depp was just constantly playing to his base with that "I may do Hamlet on stage" one day stuff. Because it made him sound like a real artiste, at a time when he was really committed to convincing everyone how non-Hollywood he was . Depp's a lazy (from what I've read, he's taken to getting his lines fed to him through ear pieces, Brando style), pampered 50-something year old movie star who has never done professional theatre in his life. I don't think it's remotely plausible that he's suddenly going to find the motivation, confidence or skill-set to become a Shakespearian stage actor at this point in his life.
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Post by countjohn on May 12, 2018 23:16:20 GMT
Well he's in some deep shit financially. So we'll see how that turns out. But I don't understand how that's even possible with all the money he's made unless he just spends massive sums of money all the time like an idiot.
The domestic violence stuff doesn't appear to have hurt his acting career at all. He has lots of stuff in development.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 12, 2018 23:25:09 GMT
I loved Depp's work in the 90s - and for American film acting, which is a borefest of generation after generation aping the acknowledged great actors I think he was very important and very dare I say it.............poetic. No American actors are ever poetic but he was.....
The two really important actors from the 90s until now (until the new generation, Gosling (Canadian)/Gyllenhaal etc. - and that's 20-30 years now are Depp and PSH - guys who invented a way to swerve the great American alpha-male archetype. In a way, both of them however have passed away - Depp hasn't been great in some time and the freshness of his performances vanished in the early-mid 2000s.
Pacino has allegedly wanted Depp to play The Fool to his Lear (I don't think Pacino can actually do Lear now with Hopkins doing it anyway) but if anything would be an entry way to Shakespeare for him it would be that..........but I don't think he would. I can't see him doing that and I don't know what he do to get out of this tailspin........it's quite sad, at least it appears that way at the moment.
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Post by stephen on May 12, 2018 23:45:50 GMT
Up until Black Mass, I would've called Depp a straight-up burnout coasting on his looks and his kooky "somber, tortured artist" persona who relied way too much on makeup and other surface-level gimmicks to squeak by. But then he just came in and crushed it as Whitey Bulger, which pissed me off to no end because I think Depp's been holding out on us the last twenty years (Ed Wood is the last performance before that where I thought he actually came to play). So I guess if we go by historical trends, 2044 will give us another great Depp performance.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 23:50:17 GMT
which pissed me off to no end because I think Depp's been holding out on us the last twenty years ( Ed Wood is the last performance before that where I thought he actually came to play). No love for Dead Man?
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Post by stephen on May 12, 2018 23:51:14 GMT
which pissed me off to no end because I think Depp's been holding out on us the last twenty years ( Ed Wood is the last performance before that where I thought he actually came to play). No love for Dead Man? The film is great, but Depp just kinda acts as a bit of the ultra-straight man, reacting to the more bizarre things surrounding him. He's not terrible, but I wouldn't call him a standout.
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on May 13, 2018 0:23:38 GMT
Up until Black Mass, I would've called Depp a straight-up burnout coasting on his looks and his kooky "somber, tortured artist" persona who relied way too much on makeup and other surface-level gimmicks to squeak by. But then he just came in and crushed it as Whitey Bulger, which pissed me off to no end because I think Depp's been holding out on us the last twenty years ( Ed Wood is the last performance before that where I thought he actually came to play). So I guess if we go by historical trends, 2044 will give us another great Depp performance. I can't hit the 'like' button hard enough.
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Post by jakesully on May 13, 2018 3:08:45 GMT
Financial....... So he's apparently lost $650m now in debt uh is that a typo??!
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 13, 2018 6:08:09 GMT
It's been a tough 10 years for him. Maybe it's not all his fault. It's just how big he became, and all Hollywood producers saw him as a highly marketable product, and forced him into lots of contracts. (Pirates sequel, his seemingly hard-on for Gore Verbinski, him being part of the huge Tim Burton decline, often starring in films whose primary audience is 10 year old girls)
All that contributed to his decline. And Amber Heard didn't help - it doesn't help that she's not exactly an angel in private life. He's too good for her anyways - I don't see anything beneath the surface with that girl.
I would agree that his last super-great performance was Ed Wood, until he came back with a roar in Black Mass. And that was just when everyone left him for dead. I know he didn't generate a whole lot of talk in 2015, but count me in as someone who highly appreciated his Black Mass performance. I was much more into him than talking DiCaprio, Redmayne, or Fassbender that year anyways.
He's also very good in Public Enemies, Sweeney Todd, Donnie Brasco, and pretty much anything in a gangster role. (He's actually the most consistent in that role) And while I probably don't nominate him for Donnie, if there is room for the other two... he would get nods from me.
So... yeah. I'm still a fan, and am still on the lookout for his next great performance. I don't know if anyone is with me here, but he's giving me severe Mickey Rourke vibes now.... (current Mickey Rourke, not 80s Mickey Rourke), and I don't see that as a bad thing.
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Post by Mattsby on Jun 21, 2018 16:52:18 GMT
www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/johnny-depp-lawsuit-marriage-w521671New article that gives a very in depth look at Depp's current quite complex situation. Already outlets are headlining, from this, that Depp admits to using an earpiece in his recent acting...... He also mentions after legal situations settle he wants to "adapt and direct" the book Happy Days, by Laurent Graff, which btw his production company has been teasing doing since '04. And he's writing his memoirs! Overall the article is really a sad, sad look at Depp and what his life has turned into. Right to that amazing metaphor at the end, escorting the journalist out of his mansion, Depp can't figure out how to open the gate, keeping them in.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 21, 2018 17:08:33 GMT
How in the fuck do you get paid $50M per movie and fuck that up? Even with mismanagement, you'd think he'd say "hey, lemme keep like $20M of that in the bank!"
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Post by Mattsby on Jun 21, 2018 18:49:50 GMT
How in the fuck do you get paid $50M per movie and fuck that up? Even with mismanagement, you'd think he'd say "hey, lemme keep like $20M of that in the bank!" It's crazy to think someone so "rich" being practically cash poor, but that Rolling Stone article spells it out better than we previously knew: a lot of his family is living on his dime, there are just so many different teams of people, managers, lawyers, security, cooks, etc. Massive loans came up. And all his collections and properties that he won't sell - it seems to him that would be a "sign of defeat" in letting that financial team "win" or something. At any rate they def could've handled his money better; and it's curious that in late '09 when money issues first sprung is also kinda when Depp's career fell off the track, imo. 2010 and on has been a wreck for him in terms of quality projects and often, but not always, performance quality.
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Post by quetee on Jun 21, 2018 22:07:14 GMT
It's amazing how so many actors and athletes blow it cause they have to project a certain lifestyle.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 22, 2018 15:35:11 GMT
Still can't believe WB thought that replacing Colin Farrell with Depp in Fantastic Beasts was a good idea. Dude's career should be done and over at this point.
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Post by harlequinade on Jun 22, 2018 15:56:38 GMT
Still can't believe WB thought that replacing Colin Farrell with Depp in Fantastic Beasts was a good idea. Dude's career should be done and over at this point. Such a waste. Farrell was probably the best thing about the first movie
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Post by mhynson27 on Jun 22, 2018 16:02:28 GMT
Up until Black Mass, I would've called Depp a straight-up burnout coasting on his looks and his kooky "somber, tortured artist" persona who relied way too much on makeup and other surface-level gimmicks to squeak by. But then he just came in and crushed it as Whitey Bulger, which pissed me off to no end because I think Depp's been holding out on us the last twenty years ( Ed Wood is the last performance before that where I thought he actually came to play). So I guess if we go by historical trends, 2044 will give us another great Depp performance. *2034
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Post by quetee on Jun 22, 2018 16:35:03 GMT
Johnny telling us the media saying he spent just $30k per month in wine and found it insulting was hilarious.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 24, 2018 2:00:56 GMT
How in the fuck do you get paid $50M per movie and fuck that up? Even with mismanagement, you'd think he'd say "hey, lemme keep like $20M of that in the bank!" If I made that much money I have no idea what I'd even do with it. I don't understand how you can even spend as much money as he is apparently spending unless you're just deliberately trying to see how much money you can spend in a day like in that one Richard Pryor movie.
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Post by Mattsby on Jul 9, 2018 22:28:35 GMT
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jul 10, 2018 21:29:30 GMT
Well that right there is pretty damning evidence and should be good for a nice chunk of change from not only Depp but whatever company is insuring the movie. Hope he kept a copy.
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Post by quetee on Jul 10, 2018 22:26:00 GMT
The problem with these actors and athletes is that they forger they are contract and get 1099 and don't get taxes taken out of check.
If you get 50mil per movie:
Half to irs Then 10% to manager, agent min bUT most have accountant and lawyer.
So if just two that is 10 mil so you are already down to 15mil.
Rhat is still a lot of money but these people don't budget and have to live large appearance wise.
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Post by Mattsby on Jul 16, 2018 20:04:51 GMT
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 2, 2018 20:02:49 GMT
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Oct 3, 2018 7:28:16 GMT
Johnny Depp Says He'll ''Never Stop Fighting'' Against Amber Heard's Abuse Claims Johnny Depp is still grappling with the events that unfolded during his relationship to Amber Heard.
The alleged abuse, his loss of money and the drama that ensued in the year after his divorce seemingly continues to haunt the actor, as evident in a recent interview with GQ. He details his struggles with Heard and his former business managers in a candid, thoughtful manner, as he tries to detail his side of the story.
In reference to his alleged attack on Heard in May 2016, he says, "She was at a party the next day. Her eye wasn't closed. She had her hair over her eye, but you could see the eye wasn't shut. Twenty-five feet away from her, how the f--k am I going to hit her? Which, by the way, is the last thing I would've done. I might look stupid, but I ain't f--king stupid."
He claims that even police couldn't find a sign of abuse on her body, even though the leaked video of the alleged counter suggested otherwise to some. He says, "I mean, they spoke to the police, but the police saw nothing and they offered her an emergency medical technician. She said no. Police see nothing on her. Police see nothing broken in the place, no marks, and then they offer her an EMT to have a look at her and she says no and I don't know if it was the next day or a couple of days later, but then there was a bruise. There was a red mark and then there was a brown bruise."
Depp acknowledges he has been physical towards the paparazzi, but to say he would hurt someone he loves "couldn't even sound like me." He never publicly addressed the supposed incident until now, because he felt it wasn't worth getting "into a pissing contest with someone about." However, he regrets the way it effected his children.
Depp wonders aloud, "How could someone, anyone, come out with something like that against someone, when there's no truth to it whatsoever? I'm sure it wasn't easy for my 14-year-old boy to go to school, you know what I mean? With people going, ‘Hey, look at this magazine, man. What, your dad beats up chicks or something?' Why did he have to go through that? Why did my daughter have to go through that?"
He then wonders what drove Heard to make these allegations, but also expresses worry about the way the public might perceive him. "We probably shouldn't be talking about this, but I am worried. I worry about the people that bought it and I worry about her. It's just not right," he explains.
Depp continues, "I will never stop fighting. I'll never stop. They'd have to f--king shoot me. An episode like this takes time to get over. It's a mourning for someone you thought was..." He trails off in the interview, saying she was "something" to him, since he did "marry her somehow."
The interview concludes with Depp proclaiming, "I want the truth. That's really my biggest obsession in the world. It's just the f--king truth."
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