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Post by mhynson27 on Apr 25, 2018 8:31:03 GMT
1. Leonardo DiCaprio (Best Performance: The Wolf of Wall Street) 2. Jake Gyllenhaal (Best Performance: Nightcrawler) 3. Christian Bale (Best Performance: The Fighter) 4. Tom Hardy (Best Performance: Bronson) 5. Michael Fassbender (Best Performance: Steve Jobs) 6. Edward Norton (Best Performance: American History X) 7. Ryan Gosling (Best Performance: The Nice Guys) 8. Joaquin Phoenix (Best Performance: Signs) 9. Ben Foster (Best Perfromance: Hell or High Water)
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 25, 2018 14:19:36 GMT
It's quite a competiive era of guys in their 40's or thereabouts. Guy like Chiwitel Ejiofor and Chadwick Boseman (who came out of nowhere a few years ago, and is suddenly this chameleonic black biopic king and Black Panther) haven't even been mentioned. James McAvoy has only been mentioned once, and I think he's far better than several mentioned in the original post. But again, he doesn't come off as "brooding" or all about "suffering for his art", and that's not sexy enough. It's very much a pattern, the "type" of actor people tend to gravitate towards in these "best of their generation" conversations. To me, McAvoy is definitely better than Fassbender and probably better than Hardy, but do people gravitate to the latter pairing because they seemingly have more rugged sex appeal (even hetero males can be unconsciously be influenced by that type of thing. Probably the reason why the term, "a man that men want to be, and women want to be with" exists). Certainly a theory anyway. It's hard for anyone to truly seperate themselves from the pack. Dicaprio, Phoenix and Bale have the edge mainly because they've been major players in the business at least 10+ years longer than everyone else (sans the faded Norton). But almost all of them are just movie stars at the end of the day. One of the guys going full steam ahead and forging a major stage career, tackling all the great roles, could truly seperate themselves from the pack. Cooper doing 1 successful play that he's been playing on and off in provincial theatres since his college days doesn't cut it. The likes of Pacino and Washington have probably at least 20+ professional plays in their resumes. Of the Americans Jake Gyllenhaal has shown the most serious dedication to theatre, but he hasn't really tackled any of the "big" roles yet, so there's only so far that can take him, unless he starts taking on some biggies and nailing them. Gyllenhaal doing an award worth Hamlet would enhance his reputation no end, for example. James McAvoy is an exceptional stage actor (3 time Olivier Award nominee, for Macbeth, The Ruling Class and Three Days Of Rain). To me, he's the guy I can easily imagine being regarded as the best actor in the world 10-15 years from now. As long as the film roles stay respectable. Shameful omission there Stephen
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Post by stephen on Apr 25, 2018 14:25:31 GMT
It's quite a competiive era of guys in their 40's or thereabouts. Guy like Chiwitel Ejiofor and Chadwick Boseman (who came out of nowhere a few years ago, and is suddenly this chameleonic black biopic king and Black Panther) haven't even been mentioned. James McAvoy has only been mentioned once, and I think he's far better than several mentioned in the original post. But again, he doesn't come off as "brooding" or all about "suffering for his art", and that's not sexy enough. It's very much a pattern, the "type" of actor people tend to gravitate towards in these "best of their generation" conversations. To me, McAvoy is definitely better than Fassbender and probably better than Hardy, but do people gravitate to the latter pairing because they seemingly have more rugged sex appeal (even hetero males can be unconsciously be influenced by that type of thing. Probably the reason why the term, "a man that men want to be, and women want to be with" exists). Certainly a theory anyway. It's hard for anyone to truly seperate themselves from the pack. Dicaprio, Phoenix and Bale have the edge mainly because they've been major players in the business at least 10+ years longer than everyone else (sans the faded Norton). But almost all of them are just movie stars at the end of the day. One of the guys going full steam ahead and forging a major stage career, tackling all the great roles, could truly seperate themselves from the pack. Cooper doing 1 successful play that he's been playing on and off in provincial theatres since his college days doesn't cut it. The likes of Pacino and Washington have probably at least 20+ professional plays in their resumes. Of the Americans Jake Gyllenhaal has shown the most serious dedication to theatre, but he hasn't really tackled any of the "big" roles yet, so there's only so far that can take him, unless he starts taking on some biggies. James McAcvoy is an exceptional stage actor (3 time Olivier Award nominee, for Macbeth, The Ruling Class and Three Days Of Rain). To me, he's the guy I can easily imagine being regarded as the best actor in the world 10-15 years from now. As long as the film roles stay respectable. Ejiofor is a very fine actor and worthy of mention. He has definite leading man skill, and if he were to be mentioned as one of the best of his age group, I'd have no complaints. But he's always felt older than he is. Boseman, by contrast, feels more a part of the generation after him, a contemporary of Redmayne/Jordan. McAvoy is an interesting case. I don't think very much of him myself (although he's dynamite in Filth), but I'm surprised you think that he's less of a "sexy" choice than Fassbender or Hardy. He's a good-looking guy (albeit kinda skeevy-looking) and he has a sizable fanbase who would agree with that. But he kinda feels a bit like the British Brad Pitt to me: a character actor in a leading man's body, who wound up in leading roles that don't really play to his strengths.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 25, 2018 14:46:39 GMT
It's quite a competiive era of guys in their 40's or thereabouts. Guy like Chiwitel Ejiofor and Chadwick Boseman (who came out of nowhere a few years ago, and is suddenly this chameleonic black biopic king and Black Panther) haven't even been mentioned. James McAvoy has only been mentioned once, and I think he's far better than several mentioned in the original post. But again, he doesn't come off as "brooding" or all about "suffering for his art", and that's not sexy enough. It's very much a pattern, the "type" of actor people tend to gravitate towards in these "best of their generation" conversations. To me, McAvoy is definitely better than Fassbender and probably better than Hardy, but do people gravitate to the latter pairing because they seemingly have more rugged sex appeal (even hetero males can be unconsciously be influenced by that type of thing. Probably the reason why the term, "a man that men want to be, and women want to be with" exists). Certainly a theory anyway. It's hard for anyone to truly seperate themselves from the pack. Dicaprio, Phoenix and Bale have the edge mainly because they've been major players in the business at least 10+ years longer than everyone else (sans the faded Norton). But almost all of them are just movie stars at the end of the day. One of the guys going full steam ahead and forging a major stage career, tackling all the great roles, could truly seperate themselves from the pack. Cooper doing 1 successful play that he's been playing on and off in provincial theatres since his college days doesn't cut it. The likes of Pacino and Washington have probably at least 20+ professional plays in their resumes. Of the Americans Jake Gyllenhaal has shown the most serious dedication to theatre, but he hasn't really tackled any of the "big" roles yet, so there's only so far that can take him, unless he starts taking on some biggies. James McAcvoy is an exceptional stage actor (3 time Olivier Award nominee, for Macbeth, The Ruling Class and Three Days Of Rain). To me, he's the guy I can easily imagine being regarded as the best actor in the world 10-15 years from now. As long as the film roles stay respectable. Ejiofor is a very fine actor and worthy of mention. He has definite leading man skill, and if he were to be mentioned as one of the best of his age group, I'd have no complaints. But he's always felt older than he is. Boseman, by contrast, feels more a part of the generation after him, a contemporary of Redmayne/Jordan. McAvoy is an interesting case. I don't think very much of him myself (although he's dynamite in Filth), but I'm surprised you think that he's less of a "sexy" choice than Fassbender or Hardy. He's a good-looking guy (albeit kinda skeevy-looking) and he has a sizable fanbase who would agree with that. But he kinda feels a bit like the British Brad Pitt to me: a character actor in a leading man's body, who wound up in leading roles that don't really play to his strengths. Stephen, brother....are you high? You on drugs today McAvoy has for the majority of his career not been considered anything close to a "sex symbol". He was a scrawny, boy next door type that you could safely take home to meet mummy. The beta male from Last King Of Scotland and Mr "flippin" Tumnus from The Lion, The Witch And The Wardobe. He had female fans in the same way Daniel Radcliffe (another terminally non-sexy Brit) has plenty of female fans. They find him adorable and non-threatning. It happens if you are famous and not hit with the ugly stick. If there has been any slight shift towards McAvoy becoming an actual "sex symbol" (as opposed to an imaginary one), it's only happened in the last 2 years or so, when he started getting papped in tight muscle shirts, looking bulked up and shaven headed (presumably for his role in Split). I saw a lot of online comments surprised that McAvoy had that kind of sex appeal, but I guess a couple of months pumping iron in the gym can turn people around. But he's always been kind of runty and not a full on-twink like Timothee Chalamet, so he was never some sort of lust object. McAvoy doesn't really play conventional leading man roles either (Atonement maybe). Even when he's the lead, it's usually some sort of character part (Inside i'm Dancing, Split, Filth) . The guy knows his strengths. Boseman is a full 10 years older than Michael B Jordan. He's closer to the guys in their 40's, because he's in his 40's. He's just a late breaking entry like Cooper.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 25, 2018 14:54:03 GMT
The minute Hardy came out, women were drooling about his lips, muscles and bad boy attitude. And Fassbender became an instant lust object when he showed off his junk in Shame. Mr Tumnus did not compete with those guys on any level.
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Post by stephen on Apr 25, 2018 14:56:20 GMT
Stephen, brother....are you high? You on drugs today McAvoy has for the majority of his career not been considered anything close to a "sex symbol". He was a scrawny, boy next door type that you could safely take home to meet mummy. The beta male from Last King Of Scotland and Mr "flippin" Tumnus from The Lion, The Witch And The Wardobe. He had female fans in the same way Daniel Radcliffe (another terminally non-sexy Brit) has plenty of female fans. They find him adorable and non-threatning. It happens if you are famous and not hit with the ugly stick. If there has been any slight shift towards McAvoy becoming an actual "sex symbol" (as opposed to an imaginary one), it's only happened in the last 2 years or so, when he started getting papped in tight muscle shirts, looking bulked up and shaven headed (presumably for his role in Split). I saw a lot of online comments surprised that McAvoy had that kind of sex appeal, but I guess a couple of months pumping iron in the gym can turn people around. But he's always been kind of runty and not a full on-twink like Timothee Chalamet, so he was never some sort of lust object. McAvoy doesn't really play conventional leading man roles either (Atonement maybe). Even when he's the lead, it's usually some sort of character part (Inside i'm Dancing, Split, Filth) . The guy knows his strengths. Boseman is a full 10 years older than Michael B Jordan. He's closer to the guys in their 40's, because he's in his 40's. He's just a late breaking entry like Cooper. *wipes nose vigorously* I have never taken drugs in my life. *snort* I dunno about all that. McAvoy had Atonement, which had a lot of people swooning over him (it was a fever-pitch over on IMDb at the time), and since then, he's been routinely talked about in film forums and the like as being one of the good-looking guys of the new Brit pack. Maybe it's just exposure to heavy McAvoy fans over there over time, but I thought he was easily considered one of the poster-boys of that generation. My point still stands: he's more of a character actor (one who can be very, very good) than your typical lead, because I think there's something off about him. It's why I think he worked so well in Split and Filth: he capitalized on that warped sensibility to full effect, whereas I think when he plays romantic leads/likable characters, it just doesn't quite fit. See, Boseman feels far younger than he is. I'd have guessed mid-30s. Yeah, he's comparable to Cooper, just without the nominations.
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Post by stephen on Apr 25, 2018 14:57:28 GMT
The minute Hardy came out, women were drooling about his lips, muscles and bad boy attitude. And Fassbender became an instant lust object when he showed off his junk in Shame. Mr Tumnus did not compete with those guys on any level. Yeah, this really was noticeable on IMDb back in the day when Shame came out. A whole lot of retroactive Hunger nominations came out after that.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 25, 2018 16:17:10 GMT
It's hard for anyone to truly seperate themselves from the pack. Dicaprio, Phoenix and Bale have the edge mainly because they've been major players in the business at least 10+ years longer than everyone else (sans the faded Norton). But almost all of them are just movie stars at the end of the day. One of the guys going full steam ahead and forging a major stage career, tackling all the great roles, could truly seperate themselves from the pack. Cooper doing 1 successful play that he's been playing on and off in provincial theatres since his college days doesn't cut it. The likes of Pacino and Washington have probably at least 20+ professional plays in their resumes. Of the Americans Jake Gyllenhaal has shown the most serious dedication to theatre, but he hasn't really tackled any of the "big" roles yet, so there's only so far that can take him, unless he starts taking on some biggies and nailing them. Gyllenhaal doing an award worth Hamlet would enhance his reputation no end, for example. This is very true but, and I can't believe how much I'm defending Bradley Cooper in this thread (lol), but I will say he didn't have to go forward and do Elephant Man especially given the timidity of comparable American actors to do anything on stage - DiCaprio, Pitt, Damon, Phoenix, Norton, etc. He especially didn't have to do it given his late stardom overall where he could have tried to cash in on film a bit more. I do agree it isn't going to cut it to make him stand out from the pack but it should be noted that it is actually better than all of his film work - it's quite literally the best thing he's ever done (though I did not think he was better than Billy Crudup in the same role and imo he based a lot of his characterization on stuff Crudup did first and did better).
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Post by lee on Apr 25, 2018 16:43:37 GMT
Phoenix yeah
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Post by jimmalone on Apr 25, 2018 17:14:07 GMT
These are but a few of the under-50 crowd that are scrapping to become the top dog of their generation, and certainly it's easy to peg who has the biggest career in terms of box-office, in terms of leading man appeal, and in terms of auteur collaborations, but if your metric is dominance of various media/forms of acting, it might not be so clear-cut. So, is the age of 50 the upper limit for the actors here? Then I'd pick Javier Bardem as the best, followed probably by DiCaprio and Phoenix. I'll add a more complete list of how I'd rank them later. Going further by ranking the other mentioned ones: Norton Gosling Hardy Gyllenhaal Schoenaerts (but I haven't seen much with him) Fassbender Bale (he hardly ever impressed me) Foster
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Post by countjohn on Apr 25, 2018 22:02:51 GMT
Ejiofor is a very fine actor and worthy of mention. He has definite leading man skill, and if he were to be mentioned as one of the best of his age group, I'd have no complaints. But he's always felt older than he is. Boseman, by contrast, feels more a part of the generation after him, a contemporary of Redmayne/Jordan. McAvoy is an interesting case. I don't think very much of him myself (although he's dynamite in Filth), but I'm surprised you think that he's less of a "sexy" choice than Fassbender or Hardy. He's a good-looking guy (albeit kinda skeevy-looking) and he has a sizable fanbase who would agree with that. But he kinda feels a bit like the British Brad Pitt to me: a character actor in a leading man's body, who wound up in leading roles that don't really play to his strengths. Stephen, brother....are you high? You on drugs today McAvoy has for the majority of his career not been considered anything close to a "sex symbol". He was a scrawny, boy next door type that you could safely take home to meet mummy. The beta male from Last King Of Scotland and Mr "flippin" Tumnus from The Lion, The Witch And The Wardobe. He had female fans in the same way Daniel Radcliffe (another terminally non-sexy Brit) has plenty of female fans. They find him adorable and non-threatning. It happens if you are famous and not hit with the ugly stick. If there has been any slight shift towards McAvoy becoming an actual "sex symbol" (as opposed to an imaginary one), it's only happened in the last 2 years or so, when he started getting papped in tight muscle shirts, looking bulked up and shaven headed (presumably for his role in Split). I saw a lot of online comments surprised that McAvoy had that kind of sex appeal, but I guess a couple of months pumping iron in the gym can turn people around. But he's always been kind of runty and not a full on-twink like Timothee Chalamet, so he was never some sort of lust object. McAvoy doesn't really play conventional leading man roles either (Atonement maybe). Even when he's the lead, it's usually some sort of character part (Inside i'm Dancing, Split, Filth) . The guy knows his strengths. Boseman is a full 10 years older than Michael B Jordan. He's closer to the guys in their 40's, because he's in his 40's. He's just a late breaking entry like Cooper. Loads of women are in love with McAvoy from Atonement. Same deal as with Colin Firth thanks to that P&P miniseries. Note to aspiring actors: starring in a well received period romance is an easy way to have a bunch of female fans for life.
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Post by countjohn on Apr 25, 2018 22:09:04 GMT
I'm surprised to see so much Leo love here. Don't confuse having a good filmography or working with a bunch of great directors with being a great actor. I don't dislike him, he's been good in some things and okay in a lot of things, but I don't think he's had a single great performance and I wouldn't even put him in the same sentence as some of the other guys here, like Norton/Fassbender/Bale/Phoenix/Bardem. I'd put him more in the "movie star" category someone else mentioned with Cruise and Pitt, although both of them are a lot better at their best than Leo. If we're including him I'd honestly put Cruise 4th on the OP's list behind just Norton/Bale/Fassbender, just due to how high his peaks are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 20:35:54 GMT
We're not including Matt Damon? In terms of consistency, I'd rank him above all of the names you listed. Jude Law and Ewan McGregor should be here, too.
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Post by wallsofjericho on May 4, 2018 6:27:35 GMT
I would rank them:
Phoenix Hardy Gosling Norton Leo Foster Gyllenhall Bale Fassbender Haven't seen enough of Schoenaerts.
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Post by jakesully on May 5, 2018 0:01:44 GMT
Leo (best performance: The Wolf of Wall Street) Phoenix (2nd best which is very impressive since he took a long hiatus . best performance: The Master) Gosling (best actor born in the 80s imo and best performance is Drive) Bale (can get a little hammy at times but has given some REALLY great performances too with The Fighter, American Psycho & Out of the Furnace ) Hardy (best performance is Bronson) Foster (needs more leading roles but damn is he a scene stealer. best performance is 3:10 to Yuma) Gyllenhaal (best performance is Nightcrawler)
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