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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 3, 2017 1:37:44 GMT
Kicks the sh-t out of 20th Century Women, but of course the entry level boys here haven't seen this.
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Post by bobbystarks on Mar 3, 2017 1:45:51 GMT
i never had any interest to it before, but after criterion collection put it in.. it got my curiosity. so I think i should give it a chance. and wow what an amazing bad film! it's flat as hell and wanted to give it up but the amazing tora birch and those weird characters in it keeping me to stay till the end. So humble and earthly, Love the ensemble so much. No pretentious self-speaking thing and no monotonous life lesson dialogues.. Love love love this movie.Wtf
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Post by taranofprydain on Mar 3, 2017 7:25:33 GMT
As it so happens, I watched it last week via HBO on demand. I thought that it was a very fine film, very well-written, and extremely well-acted. I especially thought highly of Steve Buscemi's performance.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 3, 2017 7:28:24 GMT
I couldn't get into it
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Post by marvelass on Mar 8, 2017 19:24:37 GMT
I've only ever read the graphic novel. I enjoyed it okay but didn't think there was enough material to warrant a 2-hour motion picture. The movie must've really fleshed out the narrative.
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Post by jakesully on Mar 9, 2017 0:21:35 GMT
I liked it. Thora Birch was such a babe in this and I wish she would get more work nowadays
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Post by Martin Stett on Mar 9, 2017 3:44:12 GMT
Haven't seen the movie, but got around 5 pages into the novel before giving up in disgust.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 9, 2017 4:41:40 GMT
I hated it. I usually can at least see what others might see in stuff I don't like, but I just flat-out hated this one.
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Post by Film Socialism on Mar 9, 2017 6:50:26 GMT
it's fun stuff, better teen movie than other stuff that gets higher raves
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Post by moonman157 on Mar 9, 2017 14:58:30 GMT
It's great.
Not sure why people are posting in here without commenting on how unpleasant and horrendously depressing it is. It makes human existence look as pathetic as it truly is.
Highly recommend Crumb for anyone in here who hasn't seen it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 15:24:56 GMT
tora bitch? SERIOUSLY?????!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 15:32:08 GMT
much much much better than the shit tear jerking movie remade again and again for the cult of gals to jerk off to nowadays tho. wish we could have genuinely creative films like this, almost famous and 500dos coming. (not exact replica of them tho)
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Post by sg90 on Mar 9, 2017 22:43:53 GMT
I'd put it in my top ten films. Watched it so many times and just seems to get better with every watch.
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Post by AKenjiB on Mar 10, 2017 3:10:32 GMT
I just saw it an hour ago! I absolutely loved it! Super well-acted and thought provoking. I miss Thora Birch
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Mar 10, 2017 20:49:25 GMT
Love, love that film. It's probably among my all-time favorites.
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Post by getclutch on Mar 13, 2017 18:47:41 GMT
The end leaves something to be desired, but at least they left a really good metaphor to take one's place.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Mar 14, 2017 21:34:57 GMT
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Post by scottydoesnotknow on May 5, 2017 13:20:24 GMT
I loved the movie when I first saw it, and Steve Buscemi would still be on my short list for Best Supporting Actor that year. However, I like the movie less after I read the graphic novel. I know Daniel Clowes co-wrote the screenplay, but I think the adaptation missed the humanity and nuance of the source material. The movie seemed to make the characters more into archetypes and though I think the movie works on its own, I can't help but think it's a lesser product to the graphic novel.
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Post by cheesecake on May 5, 2017 19:35:15 GMT
Went down a great deal when I rewatched it a year or two ago. It used to be one of my favorites, but I think it's one of those "of its time" films where it just doesn't click since I've transitioned into adulthood. I found it incredibly mean-spirited though Buscemi was still great.
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 5, 2017 19:39:14 GMT
Went down a great deal when I rewatched it a year or two ago. It used to be one of my favorites, but I think it's one of those "of its time" films where it just doesn't click since I've transitioned into adulthood. I found it incredibly mean-spirited though Buscemi was still great. That type of baggy pants stereotyping of characters was indeed very 1994-2001 ish. But, comparing to some of the stuff we have now, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
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Post by marvelass on May 5, 2017 20:08:16 GMT
What does that mean?
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Post by scottydoesnotknow on May 5, 2017 20:32:53 GMT
I get what you mean. The movie was much more mean-spirited and into being smart and thus stereotyped "the other" characters much more than the graphic novel did. The graphic novel had aspects of that, but it also critiqued the characters for seeing the world as they did. I think that sort of critique was missing even if the movie did show Enid having problems towards the end and sort of showed how ridiculous and mean she was but the characters were still lacking in depth. Maybe the film didn't succeed in showing that these characters are being seen through the eyes of Enid since the camera gives us a disconnect with Enid and we think what we're seeing is what everyone else also sees not just what she and Rebecca sees.
For example, the Steve Buscemi fake personal ad date in the film was only played for laughs from suggesting that the woman answering the ad would say "Wowville" was her favorite restaurant on. The characters didn't care about the prank they played on him. Rather they followed him and played it up for more laughs (like looking at his mail and commenting on the psoriasis society/foundation letter though I'm not quire sure if that letter was meant for him). Sure Enid later on stops making fun of him and connects with him, but I preferred that same scene played out in the graphic novel. In the graphic novel, they're young and thought it'd be a funny prank. Then they see it happening, and as it goes on all three of them realize it really wasn't funny and feel really bad about playing the trick on the guy. Then the guy realizes what's going on and sort of confronts them, which gives Enid a heavy sense of shame and she tries to compensate by overly tipping the waiter. Just small things like that and the character portrayals are why I think the graphic novel is a superior work.
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Post by taranofprydain on May 5, 2017 21:11:44 GMT
Re: calling it mean-spirited. Enid is very salty so to speak in her acid dislike of many things, but I honestly think that the film is rather satirical, and underneath it all likes its characters. And i am usually one who takes offense to really mean-spirited films (Easy A was unbearable)
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 5, 2017 21:15:55 GMT
Re: calling it mean-spirited. Enid is very salty so to speak in her acid dislike of many things, but I honestly think that the film is rather satirical, and underneath it all likes its characters. And i am usually one who takes offense to really mean-spirited films (Easy A was unbearable) I don't think it's all that mean spirited, and I don't think that's a bad thing. Besides, would Mean Girls be even good if it wasn't mean spirited?
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Post by semisweet on May 13, 2017 22:36:11 GMT
I adore it. Birch is my runner up that year, and ScarJo is 4th in my supporting.
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