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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 17:04:25 GMT
  Do you guys believe the rumors that Sofia Coppola and Spike Jonze based these characters on each other? What do you think? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 17:15:31 GMT
Related - a beautiful montage showcasing the symmetry of the two films: Allenism I think you might find this especially interesting. |
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Post by ibbi on Apr 22, 2018 10:03:15 GMT
Yes, I mean I think it's fairly clear. I mean there isn't even subtlety about the Jonze-Ribisi parallel in LiT, that is undeniable. The Mara-Coppola thing could be up for debate, it's not necessarily precisely about her, but the two portraits match up well enough to suggest it may be the case. I think Edelstein's review put it well:
The difference between the two is of course that one was made in the midst of said marital dissolution, and understandably more bitter/broad, while the other was made with the more clear eyed remove of a decades hindsight.
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Apr 22, 2018 11:01:11 GMT
I was just thinking about this the other day. It's obvious that Coppola put a lot about herself into the script of her movie, and in some ways 'Her' seems like an answer (Jonze's answer) to Lost in Translation. I also believe in the theories that say that Anna Faris' character is based on Cameron Diaz, despite Coppola's constant denial of it. Bob might also be based on a real-life person.
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Post by bob-coppola on Apr 22, 2018 12:31:32 GMT
To me, it was always clear that Lost In Translation was about her own divorce. Sofia didn't even try to hide it writing the absent husband as a fucking music video director. I think it was also her feelings as a young woman in general, as I believe Murray to be a stand-in for Francis.
As for Her, I also believe it's some sort of answer. Maybe not exactly to that particular event, but Jonze giving his love-life a revision. Also, dressing up Mara exactly like Coppola wasn't very subtle. By the way, I think it's so sweet that his answer wasn't to paint Coppola as a bitch, but as someone with a broken heart and actually taking the blame himself.
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Post by speeders on Apr 22, 2018 13:03:11 GMT
Well, I knew (or at least, like everyone else assumed) that Ribisi's character was based on Jonze but had no idea about Mara in Her. That's very interesting.
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Post by Sharbs on Apr 22, 2018 15:39:31 GMT
Honestly I forgot about this entire ordeal. This'll make for a delicious double feature later this week
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Apr 23, 2018 0:35:33 GMT
In the case of Translation, it seemed pretty obvious to me, especially with the music-video director angle. That reminds me, I need to watch that film again, it's been a while.
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Post by bob-coppola on Apr 23, 2018 0:59:15 GMT
To me, it was always clear that Lost In Translation was about her own divorce. Sofia didn't even try to hide it writing the absent husband as a fucking music video director. I think it was also her feelings as a young woman in general, as I believe Murray to be a stand-in for Francis. As for Her, I also believe it's some sort of answer. Maybe not exactly to that particular event, but Jonze giving his love-life a revision. Also, dressing up Mara exactly like Coppola wasn't very subtle. By the way, I think it's so sweet that his answer wasn't to paint Coppola as a bitch, but as someone with a broken heart and actually taking the blame himself. I hope hes not based on Francis 100% That'd be pretty creepy hahaha I don't think it's based on Franics on a "I secretly wanna bang my dad" level, but in a more Freudian way, you know? Absent father figures who work in the movie business pretty much sums the protagonist of her two most personal movies (LiT and Somewhere), so I guess that must be a topic that hits very close to home. |
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