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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 19, 2018 5:14:09 GMT
Do you think it's real or fantasy? Why?
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 19, 2018 10:27:25 GMT
Personally I never understood the fantasy aspect, I always thought it was really happening just fantasized (romanticized) in its details by Travis and Scorsese's directorial flourishes - it is (I think) because people think everything in modern film needs to be "realism" (or "naturalism" or some other boring "ism"). If that ending is fantasy you lose the ironic hero aspect of Travis which is crucial - the film is very much a social satire too it should be remembered.
So again, I think it's really happening just romanticized and stylized and a lot of it is people over-reading or misreading the film imo. To me if that is intended as fantasy its actually a lesser film.
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Post by Viced on Mar 19, 2018 13:45:53 GMT
I'm with pacinoyes. For me, it's dreamlike..... but not a dream.
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Post by stephen on Mar 19, 2018 14:19:29 GMT
I don't really believe it's a dying dream like a lot of people do, but I think Travis has a full-on mental break, because the ending feels a bit too romanticized and "neat" for a vigilante's story to be anything but a fantasy.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Mar 19, 2018 15:26:14 GMT
REALITY
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Post by countjohn on Mar 19, 2018 21:31:21 GMT
Scorsese has talked about the ending as if it actually happened within the context of the story and the DP specifically said he did not shoot the final sequence as if it was a dream. The idea that Travis is a hero purely because of circumstance (he was stopped from killing the politician so instead turned his aggression towards the pimp) is central to the story thematically. Also that it was the same impulses that drove him to do wrong that also drove him to do good (note that his two targets were the men keeping him from the two women in his life). "It was all a dream" interpretations almost always make things less interesting.
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Post by getclutch on Mar 21, 2018 1:23:29 GMT
It is still amazing either way, on how it makes you think deeply about the implications and interpretations.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 21, 2018 22:40:00 GMT
Scorsese has talked about the ending as if it actually happened within the context of the story and the DP specifically said he did not shoot the final sequence as if it was a dream. The idea that Travis is a hero purely because of circumstance (he was stopped from killing the politician so instead turned his aggression towards the pimp) is central to the story thematically. Also that it was the same impulses that drove him to do wrong that also drove him to do good (note that his two targets were the men keeping him from the two women in his life). "It was all a dream" interpretations almost always make things less interesting. this is an interesting way of l;ooking at it, although i'd say i like how you can interpret it as real without seeing it as justifying travis's actions. Well the issue isn't so much his actions (I don't see a problem with him killing someone who's pimping a 12 year old girl) just that he's unstable and can't control his violent impulses. They just happened to be directed at a deserving target in the instance we see in the movie. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 23, 2018 18:32:39 GMT
It's real. I don't see why anyone would see it as otherwise. It's clear Travis got out.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Mar 23, 2018 20:52:58 GMT
I've never seen it as anything other than reality. It adds to the depth of the film.
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