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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 27, 2019 15:40:59 GMT
Now along the same lines of actors "not having enough" - thinking in terms of African American actors who have been directed by circumstance towards one medium or another - there's James Earl Jones already discussed as maybe the major player here or Denzel Washington who is such a factor here in 2 of the 3 he's never really "had" to serve TV yet (St. Elsewhere notwithstanding)......which gets us to the fascinating Morgan Freeman.
A major actor who didn't find a breakthrough in film until he was older (50 in Street Smart, 5 nominations) - which happens very rarely for Americans but often for Brits - he rode it hard. He may have done more on TV, and he had done a lot of theater including the classics. When you think of the big US male actors, he's extremely hard to rank because of race and circumstance - his career doesn't follow an arc, his talent hard to assess across all 3 mediums - is he an "equal" in talent to Scott? To Robards?
For AA females, Cicely Tyson would be one like this too in another way - what was "available" to her - she's got a Tony and Emmy and great TV/Stage work but in film, well, that avenue was closed to her.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 28, 2019 12:36:31 GMT
Well let's focus on the SAG winner for career achievement - Alan Alda.
Once thought of as the best actor without a great movie performance (Kael I believe tagged him with that at one time) - the movies and stage are partially his obvious weak links - but when you may have the best TV performance at least prior to the modern era, that goes a long way. He's also pretty selective yet consistent - he has high points in all 3 mediums.
Really, the performance in MASH hindered his film career - though he's deftly side-stepped it and he's been ingratiating and memorable a few times........a 3 Time nominee for a Tony, including a terrific Shelley Levene (which I saw) - he's been quite strong on stage without much work either.
Interesting comparing Alda to Falk - iconic male TV performers and how the public can accept or grant an actor some room to move if they have that "big" role...........also interesting to watch in the modern TV era actors try to move past it or is moving past it still a thing (ie does anyone still think of Cranston as "just" Walter White now? Of course not....).
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 1, 2019 11:44:59 GMT
Going a different way with today's pick(s) to again show how difficult this "all 3 mediums" thing is: Michael Stuhlberg a guy who's won 0 of the TC yet - not even nodded much at 50. He's not a major force in any of the 3 mediums but he's had great success for both the projects overall and also for him personally.
He has nothing planned major in film though - so he's kind of losing crucial time and his appearance in Spacey's Gore Vidal film seems lost now permanently (?) Not sure where he could go from here - has he peaked or is his ceiling unknowable to us - could he be say a Richard Jenkins or is he already much more than that? I would say Stuhlberg could be a marvelous Fool in Lear (how many Americans can you say THAT about?) - and he has the background and interest in Shakespeare too.
He's been a lead for the Coen's after all, now, he almost needs a 2nd big break, when just last year he was getting a lot of goodwill, good notices and a whole lot of attention.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 13:20:37 GMT
How about the Tennessee Williams muse, Elizabeth Ashley? She's certainly most famous for her stage work, but she's had prominent roles in all three mediums. Originating the Barefoot in the Park role on Broadway that went to Fonda in the film version:
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 1, 2019 13:52:43 GMT
Elizabeth Ashley is of course a Tony winner and she is part of a TV lineup that had a cast that was sort of like an older TV home for various versions of this category - Evening Shade (what a cast! : Holbrook, Ossie Davis, Ashley, Durning, in a way Reynolds). If you look at Elizabeth Ashley's film career - it's very odd something bigger didn't happen for her in 65-70 in the movies - she's one of those performers where success in one didn't necessarily translate as much in the others.
Losing that role to Fonda was sort of symbolic of that and one of her ex-husbands, George Peppard had sort of the opposite career arc of her - starts off like gangbusters in film, then descends - at various points doesn't even seem like an actor any more (catch him on 70s game shows) etc. Then lands a big break on TV just to have the series stolen from him by basically a non-actor.
It's a very fascinating era of celebrity actually....
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 1, 2019 14:06:52 GMT
Not yet mentioned : Holly Hunter. She's an actress that has deserved two BSA nods very recently imo (Manglehorn and The Big Sick) Her snub last year made me so fucking livid. The only one in that lineup who deserved to be there more than she did was Manville, everyone else should've made room for her.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 2, 2019 15:32:17 GMT
Changing things up from Michael Stuhlberg, a player in the 2017 awards, to a player this year and someone much younger (37) and who's on the verge - with very limited work - of being 2/3rds of the way to a TC - Rami Malek. Essentially known for just 2 roles (!), and on the cusp of winning the BA Oscar (I'm not convinced of that but he certainly "could" do it if he's not the favorite now), with no other film roles pending so he has a wide open selection process available and his stock likely to soon rise like crazy.
No theater work that I am aware of, but he could give it a go, his ethnicity and look would open a lot of stuff up to him. Like Allison Janney who does do theater and is 2/3rds of the way there, he is in a position maybe to start serving all the 3 mediums if he would like to. Earlier I mentioned people who can't do all 3 - these 2 clearly could do that and make a deeper mark in film (on a career level) too.
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Post by stephen on Feb 2, 2019 16:03:46 GMT
Changing things up from Michael Stuhlberg, a player in the 2017 awards, to a player this year and someone much younger (37) and who's on the verge - with very limited work - of being 2/3rds of the way to a TC - Rami Malek. Essentially known for just 2 roles (!), and on the cusp of winning the BA Oscar (I'm not convinced of that but he certainly "could" do it if he's not the favorite now), with no other film roles pending so he has a wide open selection process available and his stock likely to soon rise like crazy. No theater work that I am aware of, but he could give it a go, his ethnicity and look would open a lot of stuff up to him. Like Allison Janney who does do theater and is 2/3rds of the way there, he is in a position maybe to start serving all the 3 mediums if he would like to. Earlier I mentioned people who can't do all 3 - these 2 clearly could do that and make a deeper mark in film (on a career level) too. Malek was good in Mr. Robot's first season (didn't bother watching the rest, as the S2 premiere didn't hook me at all) and his soon-to-be-Oscar-winning performance is extremely basic and by-the-numbers (but that's par for the course working with a McCarten "script"), but I've been a fan of the guy's since The War at Home (where he took the mid-'00s stereotypical gay comic relief and gave it some actual pathos) and especially The Pacific, which would normally be the crown jewel of any journeyman actor.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 8, 2019 21:11:53 GMT
Today everyone has referred to Albert Finney as a great actor. He would have been that if he never set foot in front of a movie camera, but 5 times nominated for a Oscar, twice nominated for Tony, an Olivier winner. Emmy winner and star of several fine TV productions.
Unlike many British actors he never really did a lot of junk (not that such a thing matters much to me, but looking back he had great taste and instincts) - his career is utterly modern and unique.
He certainly could stand with any across the mediums in his generation and his generation includes Hopkins and McKellan etc. As mentioned in the thread on his passing, he was quite controversial too - once famously playing an odd accented Hamlet (how American of him!) to much scorn and some praise.
The current crop of British actors who are trying to ride all 3 rails (Benedict Cumberbatch etc.) owe him a debt of gratitude.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 10, 2019 14:46:45 GMT
Not yet mentioned: mother/daughter duo Rosemary Harris and Jennifer Ehle. Great mention - I would add that Rosemary Harris in Looking For Richard gives a marvelous little entry point into Shakespeare, plays and language when she talks briefly about the first word, and how it sets the stage - the "Now" in the "Now is the winter of our discontent" - I saw Richard III several times and had never really thought of it like that (that's why I'm not an actor ) - this film has many of the Americans and Brits mentioned in this thread - Harris, Redgrave (particularly insightful), Gielgud, Branagh, Kline, James Earl Jones, Spacey (in the cast of the play), the Living Theater's Judith Malina (and Winona Ryder too in the film's best scene) and in film clip form, Olivier. By the way for all the book readers out there, tie this film into Death Of The Author and how if you don't know the history (War of the Roses etc.) you see a very different play. Harris's clip is at 10:55 though she pops up again. The whole film is below for your viewing pleasure - over 20 years old now - in those 20 years how many great Shakespearean performances have you seen - Rylance, soon to come Glenda Jackson........ any? If not and you're curious....this is a great place to start to learn and be entertained too.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 12, 2019 14:32:02 GMT
Almost embarrassed to post this, this far into the thread but she's clearly a inspiration for it. Two Oscars, possibly back to back Tony's an Emmy winner - a career that is utterly unique. This poster went up yesterday. A genuine event AND an original score by Philip Glass too!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 16:55:42 GMT
Almost embarrassed to post this, this far into the thread but she's clearly a inspiration for it. Two Oscars, possibly back to back Tony's an Emmy winner - a career that is utterly unique. This poster went up yesterday. A genuine event AND an original score by Philip Glass too! I think only Glenn Close touches her in terms of the sheer depth and breadth of her work in all three mediums.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 14, 2019 11:58:26 GMT
Today's topic is inspired by Ethan Hawke on stage (with Paul Dano) in True West and coming off his best year ever, Oscar nod or not in film acting too. So with that in mind who are the actors who have had the best 1-2 punch in the same year (or awards season) or a 1-2-3 punch even across all mediums.
It is exceedingly rare to win awards in the same season across mediums so drop the awards angle even and who has put streaks together. Notice it's a lot easier in Film/TV than it is with the theater component. Off the top of my head:
McConaughey in 2013/2014 Oscar and True Detective season 1 Janney - Oscar and Emmy nod last year Mirren - Oscar and Emmy wins (!) in 2007 Scott - Oscar and Emmy wins in 70/71 Washington - nodded for BA Tony and Oscar in each 2 years back (and had won a Tony for that film role prior) Cranston - Emmy and Tony BA wins in 2013/2014
Who are some of the actors who are having helluva years if you go across the mediums and not just one of them.
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Post by flasuss on Feb 14, 2019 13:41:04 GMT
Helen Hunt also won an Emmy and Oscar in the same year.
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Post by Mattsby on Feb 14, 2019 17:16:02 GMT
Holly Hunter '93 - won the Emmy for Positively True Adventures..... and was double Oscar nominated, supp The Firm and won for The Piano. Major year.
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Post by stephen on Feb 14, 2019 17:25:16 GMT
As loathe as I am to give her any shrift of praise, Streep in '78: she (deservedly) won the Emmy for Holocaust and got nominated for The Deer Hunter, and followed it up in '79 with three noteworthy performances (even if I absolutely despise the one she won for).
Melissa Leo won an Oscar (The Fighter) and got nominated for an Emmy (Mildred Pierce) in the same season.
There have also been three actors nominated for an Oscar, an Emmy and a Tony in the same year: Glenn Close (The Big Chill, Something About Amelia, The Real Thing), Paul Newman (Road to Perdition, the TV/stage versions of Our Town), and Alan Alda (The Aviator, Glengarry Glen Ross, The West Wing).
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Post by Mattsby on Feb 14, 2019 17:31:25 GMT
Pacino '92 - performed Chinese Coffee/Salome, on Broadway, in the Summer (was he doing them concurrently? what!), then Glengarry and Scent came out, double Oscar nom/the win. Those are four very different characters, that someone could've seen within 6 months of each other?? Crazy.....
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 14, 2019 17:35:09 GMT
As loathe as I am to give her any shrift of praise, Streep in '78: she (deservedly) won the Emmy for Holocaust and got nominated for The Deer Hunter, and followed it up in '79 with three noteworthy performances (even if I absolutely despise the one she won for). Melissa Leo won an Oscar ( The Fighter) and got nominated for an Emmy ( Mildred Pierce) in the same season. There have also been three actors nominated for an Oscar, an Emmy and a Tony in the same year: Glenn Close ( The Big Chill, Something About Amelia, The Real Thing), Paul Newman ( Road to Perdition, the TV/stage versions of Our Town), and Alan Alda (The Aviator, Glengarry Glen Ross, The West Wing).I saw Alda in Glengarry and he was pretty fabulous I must say, a lot tougher, less affected and more grounded than I had ever seen Alda prior in anything - not the equal of Lemmon who is definitive in the film but the play is actually less sympathetic to that character than the film is and he rose to the challenge.
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Post by thomasjerome on Feb 14, 2019 17:36:35 GMT
James Woods got his first Emmy win ("Promise") and his first Oscar nom ("Salvador") in the same year.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 23, 2019 13:15:19 GMT
Inspired by some announcements of projects this week of actors directing (Washington helming Journal for Jordan) and as a sort of recap of the whole Bradley Cooper year - how about someone who is operating "outside" these 3 mediums for acting but deepening their artistic worth with directing - or "might" have that happen?
Washington is without the Emmy but seems to really like directing (far more than I thought actually) and has made huge inroads in it - he clearly is number 1 here - directed an Oscar winning performance too and will clearly go back to the stage to act.
Cooper a 4 time Oscar nominee and 1 time Tony nominee (and THAT is actually his best work imo) - who may not go actually ever go back to the stage - the Elephant Man role was a uniquely special to him - but clearly has his sights set on being a big time film director and I would think will win for acting eventually.
Hanks - apparently in the running for BA this year if he pulls off that Mr. Rogers role as you'd expect and has dabbled in directing, nearly won a Tony and has dabbled with theater a bit. He's certainly on the cusp of something in all mediums depending on what he wants even though he hasn't acted on TV much he has worked in TV majorly.
Who is someone else who has crossed over in this way or has some kind of "jump" planned from actor to director - I'm leaving off guys like De Niro who isn't likely to direct any time soon and maybe doesn't have the strongest footprint outside of film and Mel Gibson who maybe doesn't have a stronger acting than directing footprint across mediums to qualify etc.
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Post by stephen on Feb 23, 2019 17:07:59 GMT
Inspired by some announcements of projects this week of actors directing (Washington helming Journal for Jordan) and as a sort of recap of the whole Bradley Cooper year - how about someone who is operating "outside" these 3 mediums for acting but deepening their artistic worth with directing - or "might" have that happen? Bryan Cranston directed some episodes of television, both in series that he starred in and others he didn't, and did fairly well in that regard. I could see him deciding to take on the mantle of director in a bigger project someday. And I do think that the man could easily win an Oscar with the right role; Trumbo proved he has the likability factor to overcome tepid reviews.
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Post by Mattsby on Feb 23, 2019 20:17:09 GMT
Two more names - Idris Elba and Chiwetel Ejiofor. Both are British, 40s, have experience across the 3 mediums, though Ejiofor has done a lot more stage work and reached greater heights in film, Elba has that with TV - each have their directorial debuts coming out this year in the US, Yardie and The Boy Who Harnessed the Wind.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 24, 2019 13:31:04 GMT
Let's go a different way today with an African American actress who as far as I know hasn't done much in movies (yet) but has 6 Tony's (record holder) and a Grammy and done some TV work and Emmy nodded too: Audra McDonald. Her name alone seems to be preceded by "the amazing"
She could easily pad this award total or acclaim total very soon. Another high profile Broadway role coming in Frankie & Johnny with Michael Shannon and easily able to be cast in a wide ranger of material across mediums. There is no African American female (or Hispanic) with a "Lead" triple crown and only 2 anyway who have it I think (Davis and Moreno).........she could be the first one or at least a threat to win it overall and join Davis and Moreno.
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Post by stephen on Feb 24, 2019 15:42:19 GMT
Let's go a different way today with an African American actress who as far as I know hasn't done much in movies (yet) but has 6 Tony's (record holder) and a Grammy and done some TV work and Emmy nodded too: Audra McDonald. Her name alone seems to be preceded by "the amazing" She could easily pad this award total or acclaim total very soon. Another high profile Broadway role coming in Frankie & Johnny with Michael Shannon and easily able to be cast in a wide ranger of material across mediums. There is no African American female (or Hispanic) with a "Lead" triple crown and only 2 anyway who have it I think (Davis and Moreno).........she could be the first one or at least a threat to win it overall and join Davis and Moreno. She was incredible in Lady Day at Emerson's Bar and Grill and I would call her flat-out robbed for the Emmy if she hadn't been up against Kirsten Dunst in Fargo (who in turn was most certainly robbed by Sarah Paulson, who was fine in American Crime Story but not nearly on the level of her fellow nominees), and I always wondered why a six-time Tony winner who might very well be considered one of the most versatile stage actors of all time had such little film work to her name, especially in a post-Rylance era.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 26, 2019 12:42:34 GMT
So, not a new person today for this thread but a (rather morbid I know, lol) theater-film scenario:
I was thinking of this in a couple ways with Close (mentioned often in this thread). People who argue Close will win her Oscar (one day, um) for Sunset Blvd make that seem closer than it may be (correct me if I'm wrong?) that film is not in pre-production, may never get made anyway and may never get made with her if it did. She won the Tony almost 25 years ago, and is arguably too old for the role even right now.
Are there any others like this - not another actor beating you out for a film version or beating you into production for the role and you move on to something else - but rather, literally, it's your role, or associated with you and ........you run out of time to play it with no one else playing it either?
The role "dies" with you so to speak. Any examples of this that would be comparable?
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