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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 24, 2018 15:45:03 GMT
This came up when I was talking about how much I love DDL in Phantom Thread with some friends and much of that has to do with the "cursed" or haunting element PTA weaves in the story which doesn't have to be in there. The film could exist without it but without it wouldn't have the same effect - it would be a very different film anyway without it.
What are some others like this and especially a real character not a ghost (the Sixth Sense etc.)?
I'm thinking of like Swanson in Sunset Blvd. but am looking for some that aren't as overt.......
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Post by stephen on Feb 24, 2018 15:52:00 GMT
Joaquin Phoenix in The Master.
Freddie Quell is an extremely damaged soul, not just because of the war but because of his childhood. His father died while drunk (something that Freddie seems to be on the path to emulating by the time we meet him), his mother is a psychotic in an insane asylum (there are hints that Freddie is not altogether "right in the head", which coupled with his chronic alcoholism leads up to believe that it won't be long before Freddie winds up in a straitjacket himself), and he was taken sexual advantage of by his "Auntie" Bertha (if Freddie was underage, then his drinking began extremely early in life). The only goodness in his life, the only decent glimmer of hope for him, was Doris Solstad, the virginal neighbor girl. And yet he runs from her, seemingly on a whim. Why? Because he has itchy feet? Because he's afraid of destroying the best thing in his life by keeping her in his orbit, even though abandoning her and going to sea is what ultimately drives her into the arms of another man? Freddie is haunted by ghosts the entire film; not literal ghosts, but the specters of a bad childhood, a traumatic war, and a decision to leave the girl of his dreams behind with no excuse for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 15:53:53 GMT
Kinski in Aguirre, obviously.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 24, 2018 15:56:09 GMT
There is a great visual scene after the poisoning where Freddie runs out across a field pursued by some men that then makes it seem like he's trying to outrun ghosts, literally.
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Post by stephen on Feb 24, 2018 15:57:13 GMT
There is a great visual scene after the poisoning where Freddie runs out across a field pursued by some men that then makes it seem like he's trying to outrun ghosts, literally. Agreed. And one could argue that the processing scene that Dodd puts Freddie through is an exorcism of sorts.
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Post by stephen on Feb 24, 2018 16:02:47 GMT
Another one that crossed my mind: Casey Affleck in The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford.
It's actually Javier Bardem who pointed this out, in the press room after he'd won his Oscar. Bardem was extolling praise towards the other four nominees, and he considered Affleck's performance to be "a piece of jewelry" that was the perfect performance of "a ghost." And after he said that and I rewatched Jesse James, I realized he was right. Affleck plays Bob Ford as a literal ghost of a man, someone who is barely there, ignored, who drifts through his existence like the sheeted specter Affleck would ultimately play ten years later in A Ghost Story. Ford desires not just to be famous for his exploits, but he desires to make his impact, because he knows that if he doesn't take his shot (figuratively and literally), he will be lost to history. It's an eerie, haunting performance that truly captures the ethereal "goneness" of a faded daguerreotype.
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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 24, 2018 16:16:21 GMT
Swanson, Phoenix and DDL are full-on mad on those movies to me, not just a hint of it. If we're talking about Phantom Thread, I think maybe Krieps would be a better answer to "just a hint of madness": her character certainly has a loose screw, but it's downplayed. I'd also cite Florence Pugh in Lady Macbeth, Nicole Kidman and Colin Farrell in The Killing of a Sacred Deer, Logan Lerman in Indignation, and Anya Taylor-Joy since the beginning of The Witch from recent performances. Even thought Lawrence and Cooper in Silver Linings Playbook are clinically diagnosed, but the "madness" bit of their performances is nicely hinted.
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 24, 2018 17:31:52 GMT
Viggo Mortensen in A History Of Violence.
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Post by Javi on Feb 24, 2018 20:24:13 GMT
Per Oscarsson in the Danish masterpiece Hunger (1966) has more than a hint of madness... and genius, inseparable in his case. It's probably the best male performance I've seen.
Vanessa Redgrave in Agatha, also about an artist. Actually Redgrave has a hint of madness in just about everything.
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Post by ibbi on Feb 24, 2018 21:03:46 GMT
Bibi Andersson in Persona!
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Post by ibbi on Feb 24, 2018 21:12:54 GMT
Donald Pleasence in Halloween!
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Post by flasuss on Feb 24, 2018 21:26:19 GMT
Kinski in Aguirre, obviously. Kinski in anything, really.
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Post by stephen on Feb 24, 2018 21:29:25 GMT
Donald Pleasence in Halloween! One of the funniest performances in cinema.
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Post by cherry68 on Feb 24, 2018 22:54:27 GMT
You mean something like the main characters in Leon?
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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 25, 2018 4:44:19 GMT
Jack Nicholson in his everyday-life
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Post by Nikan on Feb 26, 2018 19:43:46 GMT
James McAvoy in Split.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Feb 26, 2018 22:29:00 GMT
Kathy Bates in Misery?
I kid. I'm going with Dean Stockwell in Blue Velvet. Not exactly Frank Booth level madness, but there was definitely something off about that character.
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Post by stephen on Feb 26, 2018 22:34:46 GMT
Kathy Bates in Misery? I kid. I'm going with Dean Stockwell in Blue Velvet. Not exactly Frank Booth level madness, but there was definitely something off about that character. I think it says a lot when it seems like even Frank Booth shows Ben respect, like he fears Ben. I always wondered if Ben was a forerunner to the Mystery Man from Lost Highway.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Feb 26, 2018 22:42:44 GMT
Kathy Bates in Misery? I kid. I'm going with Dean Stockwell in Blue Velvet. Not exactly Frank Booth level madness, but there was definitely something off about that character. I think it says a lot when it seems like even Frank Booth shows Ben respect, like he fears Ben. I always wondered if Ben was a forerunner to the Mystery Man from Lost Highway. Yes! Ben was scarier than Frank when you think about that.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 27, 2018 1:20:58 GMT
Imma throw a really great one out there.
Tom Berenger - Platoon.
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 27, 2018 1:23:48 GMT
Bob Geldof in Pink Floyd: The Wall. Although, that's more than just a hint.
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Post by cinemagirl16 on Feb 27, 2018 2:13:52 GMT
Madeline Kahn in Clue.
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Post by Kings_Requiem on Feb 27, 2018 3:02:19 GMT
Gene Wilder in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
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Post by stephen on Feb 27, 2018 3:02:40 GMT
Imma throw a really great one out there. Tom Berenger - Platoon. Whaddaya say there, Bob?
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Post by Nikan on Feb 27, 2018 12:11:19 GMT
William Preston in Manhunter.
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