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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 14, 2018 14:28:59 GMT
DDL also recognizes that Oldman is long overdue which means that he's aware that he ain't winning the oscar  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 14, 2018 14:46:29 GMT
Well they are obviously the two best actors of their generation (UK edition) but DDL has it all over him this year. Oldman and Chalamet are not close, Washington and Kaluuya are laughably not close.
I'm not a big fan of some of DDL's work - the comedies, The Crucible, Nine etc are failures to me and Lincoln while very fine was not a deserved win imo but in Phantom Thread he is monumental imo. It's a staggering performance and unlike any in his filmography.
It's nice for Oldman and I'm happy for him though.
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Post by stephen on Feb 14, 2018 15:09:03 GMT
It's like Hendrix shouting out Clapton.
I have no beef with Gary Oldman getting an Academy Award. I just wish it weren't for that role. It's very much his Scent of a Woman (sorry, pacinoyes, I know you love him in that but it is very much a maligned veteran win regardless of the actual work he put in).
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 14, 2018 17:13:33 GMT
I saw that a few days ago, and found it fascinating. I had a slightly different take on it. DDL was not especially effusive in his praise of Oldman, and almost kind of condescending. He uses the word "fine" to describe Oldman as an actor twice. That's the most generic way possible to describe a decent actor. He says it's good that a fellow South London Boy is finally getting his time in the spotlight (because he doesn't usually get it like DDL does). It's all complimemtary on the surface, but he's not exactly making any effort to describe Oldman as anything beyond a fellow professional.
I really sense Day-Lewis competitive/passive agressive nature in that bit, and I can see why he's never had significant contact with Oldman despite their overlapping careers.
It's fascinating to find out how these top guys view each other though. Oldman recieved a tribute at the Santa Barbara Film Festival the other week, and said the best two actors he ever worked with were Denzel Washington and Anthony Hopkins.
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Post by stephen on Feb 14, 2018 17:39:52 GMT
I saw that a few days ago, and found it fascinating. I had a slightly different take on it. DDL was not especially effusive in his praise of Oldman, and almost kind of condescending. He uses the word "fine" to describe Oldman as an actor twice. That's the most generic way possible to describe a decent actor. He says it's good that a fellow South London Boy is finally getting his time in the spotlight (because he doesn't usually get it like DDL does). It's all complimemtary on the surface, but he's not exactly making any effort to describe Oldman as anything beyond a fellow professional. I really sense Day-Lewis competitive/passive agressive nature in that bit, and I can see why he's never had significant contact with Oldman despite their overlapping careers. It's fascinating to find out how these top guys view each other though. Oldman recieved a tribute at the Santa Barbara Film Festival the other week, and said the best two actors he ever worked with were Denzel Washington and Anthony Hopkins. I didn't get the sense that he was being dismissive or passive-aggressive towards Oldman. Day-Lewis rarely gives effusive, singular praise of any other actors, and the rare times that he does, it's usually in light of truly incredible work (Heath Ledger, Joaquin Phoenix), and in one of those cases, Ledger had just died. Day-Lewis will often praise his fellow nominees in a given year when he's up for laurels, though. Also, despite Oldman and he being London-born actors in the same generation, I never got the sense they were rivals or in competition with each other. They scarcely (ever?) work with the same filmmakers as one another. I don't know if Oldman has ever spoken about Day-Lewis (if he has, I'm sure it's along similar lines here; DDL is undeniably one of the most respected actors alive), but if one of the two were to be more vocal about their relationship or how they view each other, it'd be Oldman. Regardless, I'm not entirely surprised that they had little contact. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 14, 2018 22:57:03 GMT
I saw that a few days ago, and found it fascinating. I had a slightly different take on it. DDL was not especially effusive in his praise of Oldman, and almost kind of condescending. He uses the word "fine" to describe Oldman as an actor twice. That's the most generic way possible to describe a decent actor. He says it's good that a fellow South London Boy is finally getting his time in the spotlight (because he doesn't usually get it like DDL does). It's all complimemtary on the surface, but he's not exactly making any effort to describe Oldman as anything beyond a fellow professional. I really sense Day-Lewis competitive/passive agressive nature in that bit, and I can see why he's never had significant contact with Oldman despite their overlapping careers. It's fascinating to find out how these top guys view each other though. Oldman recieved a tribute at the Santa Barbara Film Festival the other week, and said the best two actors he ever worked with were Denzel Washington and Anthony Hopkins. I didn't get the sense that he was being dismissive or passive-aggressive towards Oldman. Day-Lewis rarely gives effusive, singular praise of any other actors, and the rare times that he does, it's usually in light of truly incredible work (Heath Ledger, Joaquin Phoenix), and in one of those cases, Ledger had just died. Day-Lewis will often praise his fellow nominees in a given year when he's up for laurels, though. Also, despite Oldman and he being London-born actors in the same generation, I never got the sense they were rivals or in competition with each other. They scarcely (ever?) work with the same filmmakers as one another. I don't know if Oldman has ever spoken about Day-Lewis (if he has, I'm sure it's along similar lines here; DDL is undeniably one of the most respected actors alive), but if one of the two were to be more vocal about their relationship or how they view each other, it'd be Oldman. Regardless, I'm not entirely surprised that they had little contact. They were in direct competition with each other for the first decade of their careers, particularly in the UK, where the film opportunities were smaller and the casting pool limited. It was very often Oldman and Day-Lewis who got down to the final two for a role, and one or the other got it. Day-Lewis wanted Sid Vicious and was in contention. Oldman got it. Oldman was first choice for My Beautiful Laundrette, but declined it. Then Day-Lewis got the role. Day-Lewis chased Stephen Frears for the role of Joe Orton in Prick Up Your Ears, but it went to Oldman. These guys were painfully aware of each other in the UK, since they were each other's biggest competition for roles. They absolutely were rivals, and even without any personal relationship, constantly going up against one guy and being compared to him might take it's toll. More often than not, Day-Lewis was the one who lost roles he wanted to Oldman. I could sense that edge and history in his extremely measured praise of Oldman. Old rivalries die hard I guess. Day-Lewis is human....it's not unusual to have conflicting or slightly antagonistic feelings about a man you were constantly pitted against, and who cost him roles he really wanted early in his career.. They became less direct rivals in Hollywood, as their careers diverged in American films. Oldman became more of a highly touted character actor, playing less full on leads than he did in the UK. And Day-Lewis only got out of bed if he was carrying a prestige historical picture. One of the few Holywood movies the were in direct competition for was Dracula. Francis Ford Coppola wanted Day-Lewis, but Day-Lewis was committed to another project, so Oldman got it. But they've rarely competed for the same role since then. The tables turned in Hollywood, where Day-Lewis became a more prestigious star and leading man. |
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