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Post by jimmalone on Mar 25, 2018 15:07:46 GMT
Right now it seems like his career is in the desert. But given his incredible talent he can certainly come out from nowhere with the right role and win a third one or at least be nominated again.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Mar 25, 2018 22:34:15 GMT
This is nonsense to me. Penn has said the same thing at least 3 or 4 times over the course of his career, usually when his career is in a slump (which happens regularly when you are as inconsistent a performer as he is). It'd actually be a little less cynical if he ever said it when things were going well. He's not an idiot. He knows full well none of his performances in the last decade have really worked, and that his stock is at an all-time low, and he's not a name much brought up in greatest living actor discussions. It's a time honored strategy called "saving face". Watching Denzel (his main American rival) ascend to male Meryl Streep status, while he can't even get his Mel Gibson movie released probably hasn't helped his disposition. I'm sure he's out of love with acting. I'd be a bit as well if critics hammered several of my post-Oscar performances, my main rival had streaked lightyears ahead of me, and my latest effort might not even see the light of day. It's the same tired bullshit double standard I pointed out in the Bardem thread regarding females/male actors. Dudes can give a bunch of shitty or substandard performances for a decade and claim they no longer love the craft like they used to, and it's supposed to be some laudable sign of artistic ennui. No , it just means you are not that good anymore and people have cottoned on to it. A woman hasn't got that luxury. She starts sucking, there's no excuses. Get ready to start playing a Mom on a CW show. Penn sounds like a Brat, but he always has. Maybe Nic Cage was "out of love" with acting when he started doing action movies, but it didn't stop Penn from being a judgemental prick and calling him out, and saying he no longer deserves to be rated that highly as an actor. Well right back atcha Sean! karma's a bitch. The guy loves attention in whatever form he can get it. If he was getting positive attention with his acting or films, he'd still be "in love with it". No one is exactly chomping at the bit to see the next Sean Penn performance (or directed movie after The Last Face). So he'll put out a novel to keep him in the headlines and on the interview circuit. Or do that embarrassing thing where he appeared on Jimmy Kimmel with Bono and and Chris Martin acting like he was a bartender out of Casablanca. Daniel Day Lewis and Denzel would never. Because they are far better actors. He's not kept up with his superiors, he knows it and needs to rationalise it. That's ego for you. Penn, to bluntly put it, has always been an overrated attention whore. I'm glad he's no longer being indulged. And there's no way on earth he'll be remembered as the best actor of his generation, or anything close to it. Thank god that delusion has seen it's day. As the Rod Steiger of his generation, he overachieved somewhat anyway. Having said all that, Penn is a Hollywood networker par excellence. He'll do his best to get himself in a position nominated for an oscar again, so he can start lecturing his peers about the "craft" again. You're such a transparent & disingenuous Penn hater that it's kinda pitiful & gives you zero credibility on this matter. It's also bizarre that you feel you have to crap on Penn to validate how great Denzel is. This "rivalry" between them is all in YOUR head. No one specifically compares them anyway & most people see him more in the vein of DDL or Oldman, so they'd make THAT comparison if they have to, Penn and Denzel don't even portray the same kind of role. As for this DELUSION that Denzel is more respected by his "peers" than Penn: Ask DeNiro, Pacino, Nicholson, Hoffman or Duvall whose the best of the two & I bet they'd ALL say Penn. Hell, DDL and Oldman might too. Also, can you SHOW A LINK of Brolin specifically saying he thinks Denzel is a better actor than Penn? You shouldn't be talking of delusions when you write everything from the unfounded assumption that your beyond biased opinion on the non-existent "Penn/Washington feud" is the opinion of most respected actors. Not even an incorrect opinion, just plain dishonest. Didn't you also try this nonsense to argue Eastwood was a more respected filmmaker than Scorsese or am I thinking of someone else? Bottom line, Penn has much more natural talent & range than Denzel. DDL and Oldman are also overall better than Denzel. At best, we can say that Denzel is the 4TH best actor of his generation. Not even TOP 3! Of course, that's just MY opinion, not arrogant enough to assume or pretend my opinion is the Thespian gospel, but I bet those actors I mentioned likely agree with me & they're the APEX of the kind of method acting Penn excels at. At any event, nothing you write is gonna change Me, pacinoyes or other dozens & dozens of cinemaphiles from thinking Penn's the finest of his generation. He'll ALWAYS have a devoted fan base who give him GOAT of his generation cred. So will Denzel. But, as I've stated at least 3 times now, the odd & silly thing is why you have to invent this faux competition in your head, let alone cook the numbers. Also, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think the fact that no one took issue with your biased screed speaks more to how Penn is personally disliked than to how much or little his acting is respected. If pacinoyes gave an equally pompous, biased, assuming & overtly negative rant against Denzel, I think there would have been more than a few lively rebuttals to it. But that's cuz he's loved & Penn is generally seen as unlikable. NOTHING to do with acting.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 25, 2018 22:48:19 GMT
This is nonsense to me. Penn has said the same thing at least 3 or 4 times over the course of his career, usually when his career is in a slump (which happens regularly when you are as inconsistent a performer as he is). It'd actually be a little less cynical if he ever said it when things were going well. He's not an idiot. He knows full well none of his performances in the last decade have really worked, and that his stock is at an all-time low, and he's not a name much brought up in greatest living actor discussions. It's a time honored strategy called "saving face". Watching Denzel (his main American rival) ascend to male Meryl Streep status, while he can't even get his Mel Gibson movie released probably hasn't helped his disposition. I'm sure he's out of love with acting. I'd be a bit as well if critics hammered several of my post-Oscar performances, my main rival had streaked lightyears ahead of me, and my latest effort might not even see the light of day. It's the same tired bullshit double standard I pointed out in the Bardem thread regarding females/male actors. Dudes can give a bunch of shitty or substandard performances for a decade and claim they no longer love the craft like they used to, and it's supposed to be some laudable sign of artistic ennui. No , it just means you are not that good anymore and people have cottoned on to it. A woman hasn't got that luxury. She starts sucking, there's no excuses. Get ready to start playing a Mom on a CW show. Penn sounds like a Brat, but he always has. Maybe Nic Cage was "out of love" with acting when he started doing action movies, but it didn't stop Penn from being a judgemental prick and calling him out, and saying he no longer deserves to be rated that highly as an actor. Well right back atcha Sean! karma's a bitch. The guy loves attention in whatever form he can get it. If he was getting positive attention with his acting or films, he'd still be "in love with it". No one is exactly chomping at the bit to see the next Sean Penn performance (or directed movie after The Last Face). So he'll put out a novel to keep him in the headlines and on the interview circuit. Or do that embarrassing thing where he appeared on Jimmy Kimmel with Bono and and Chris Martin acting like he was a bartender out of Casablanca. Daniel Day Lewis and Denzel would never. Because they are far better actors. He's not kept up with his superiors, he knows it and needs to rationalise it. That's ego for you. Penn, to bluntly put it, has always been an overrated attention whore. I'm glad he's no longer being indulged. And there's no way on earth he'll be remembered as the best actor of his generation, or anything close to it. Thank god that delusion has seen it's day. As the Rod Steiger of his generation, he overachieved somewhat anyway. Having said all that, Penn is a Hollywood networker par excellence. He'll do his best to get himself in a position nominated for an oscar again, so he can start lecturing his peers about the "craft" again. You're such a transparent & disingenuous Penn hater that it's kinda pitiful & gives you zero credibility on this matter. It's also bizarre that you feel you have to crap on Penn to validate how great Denzel is. This "rivalry" between them is all in YOUR head. No one specifically compares them anyway & most people see him more in the vein of DDL or Oldman, so they'd make THAT comparison if they have to, Penn and Denzel don't even portray the same kind of role. As for this DELUSION that Denzel is more respected by his "peers" than Penn: Ask DeNiro, Pacino, Nicholson, Hoffman or Duvall whose the best of the two & I bet they'd ALL say Penn. Hell, DDL and Oldman might too. Also, can you SHOW A LINK of Brolin specifically saying he thinks Denzel is a better actor than Penn? You shouldn't be talking of delusions when you write everything from the unfounded assumption that your beyond biased opinion on the non-existent "Penn/Washington feud" is the opinion of most respected actors. Not even an incorrect opinion, just plain dishonest. Didn't you also try this nonsense to argue Eastwood was a more respected filmmaker than Scorsese or am I thinking of someone else? Bottom line, Penn has much more natural talent & range than Denzel. DDL and Oldman are also overall better than Denzel. At best, we can say that Denzel is the 4TH best actor of his generation. Not even TOP 3! Of course, that's just MY opinion, not arrogant enough to assume or pretend my opinion is the Thespian gospel, but I bet those actors I mentioned likely agree with me & they're the APEX of the kind of method acting Penn excels at. At any event, nothing you write is gonna change Me, pacinoyes or other dozens & dozens of cinemaphiles from thinking Penn's the finest of his generation. He'll ALWAYS have a devoted fan base who give him GOAT of his generation cred. So will Denzel. But, as I've stated at least 3 times now, the odd & silly thing is why you have to invent this faux competition in your head, let alone cook the numbers. Also, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think the fact that no one took issue with your biased screed speaks more to how Penn is personally disliked than to how much or little his acting is respected. If pacinoyes gave an equally pompous, biased, assuming & overtly negative rant against Denzel, I think there would have been more than a few lively rebuttals to it. But that's cuz he's loved & Penn is generally seen as unlikable. NOTHING to do with acting. You're wrong about almost everything here, but if makes you feel better to it let out, preach on brother.
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Post by Zeb31 on Mar 26, 2018 2:30:27 GMT
This is nonsense to me. Penn has said the same thing at least 3 or 4 times over the course of his career, usually when his career is in a slump (which happens regularly when you are as inconsistent a performer as he is). It'd actually be a little less cynical if he ever said it when things were going well. He's not an idiot. He knows full well none of his performances in the last decade have really worked, and that his stock is at an all-time low, and he's not a name much brought up in greatest living actor discussions. It's a time honored strategy called "saving face". Watching Denzel (his main American rival) ascend to male Meryl Streep status, while he can't even get his Mel Gibson movie released probably hasn't helped his disposition. I'm sure he's out of love with acting. I'd be a bit as well if critics hammered several of my post-Oscar performances, my main rival had streaked lightyears ahead of me, and my latest effort might not even see the light of day. It's the same tired bullshit double standard I pointed out in the Bardem thread regarding females/male actors. Dudes can give a bunch of shitty or substandard performances for a decade and claim they no longer love the craft like they used to, and it's supposed to be some laudable sign of artistic ennui. No , it just means you are not that good anymore and people have cottoned on to it. A woman hasn't got that luxury. She starts sucking, there's no excuses. Get ready to start playing a Mom on a CW show. Penn sounds like a Brat, but he always has. Maybe Nic Cage was "out of love" with acting when he started doing action movies, but it didn't stop Penn from being a judgemental prick and calling him out, and saying he no longer deserves to be rated that highly as an actor. Well right back atcha Sean! karma's a bitch. The guy loves attention in whatever form he can get it. If he was getting positive attention with his acting or films, he'd still be "in love with it". No one is exactly chomping at the bit to see the next Sean Penn performance (or directed movie after The Last Face). So he'll put out a novel to keep him in the headlines and on the interview circuit. Or do that embarrassing thing where he appeared on Jimmy Kimmel with Bono and and Chris Martin acting like he was a bartender out of Casablanca. Daniel Day Lewis and Denzel would never. Because they are far better actors. He's not kept up with his superiors, he knows it and needs to rationalise it. That's ego for you. Penn, to bluntly put it, has always been an overrated attention whore. I'm glad he's no longer being indulged. And there's no way on earth he'll be remembered as the best actor of his generation, or anything close to it. Thank god that delusion has seen it's day. As the Rod Steiger of his generation, he overachieved somewhat anyway. Having said all that, Penn is a Hollywood networker par excellence. He'll do his best to get himself in a position nominated for an oscar again, so he can start lecturing his peers about the "craft" again. Damn, I don't think I've ever seen a put-down this brutal in this board.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 20, 2021 2:28:38 GMT
This thread deserves a bump.
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