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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 16, 2019 13:27:40 GMT
pacinoyes - I don't disagree with a lot of what you say about Kidman (and Swift...), and I would suggest the following actors have similar PR machines: Streep, Pitt, DiCaprio, etc. (i.e. there is never a negative word spoken about any of them in mainstream media). Very true and it's a great discussion I think that we never get into at all - we don't even talk acting on here (let's talk about Chuck Norris and Wesley Snipes - um, okay I guess) - much less things as mysterious as the elusive components of celebrity. The only reason I singled Kidman out specifically is that a poster said "Kidman fans are ridiculous" - well if you said that about some other actors (Bradley Cooper for one) it would be for distinctly different reasons ............. Streep/Pitt/DiCaprio will disappear for a time and then go into overdrive when a film is in release and maybe then just talk about the film (DiCaprio especially). It is still cynical BS but more normal for what we've seen historically. Kidman however has been on a several year cycle of pushing her films and her (many) upcoming films simultaneously - I've already heard her talk about Fair and Balanced and The Goldfinch several times by things I stumble over - AND her marriage, AND her business ventures - AND all facets of her personal life - project out or not. It will end at some point anyway and like I said in another post maybe it's just ambition clashing with career management but no one else quite has that, in this way, and so my original point doesn't get lost............it's reminiscent of Liz Taylor more than anyone else imo.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 16, 2019 13:34:38 GMT
Pacinoyes, In terms of marketing I see your point, and I am sure she has many fans simply as a result of the way she is marketed, but this does not take into consideration what other fans admire or are interested in with regards to her. As an actress, imo, she has an ability to portray a complexity of emotions that reveals the being of the characters she represents, and that this displays an insight into the human condition. Whilst it is true that it may be difficult to tell if critics or fans are being honest in there assessment of her work due to her marketing machine, it can also be argued that her fame and celebrity has, over the course of her career, prevented her work from being acknowledged and from her being taken more seriously as an actress. demille - Yes I'd agree with this however I'd just say that's the opposite way of looking at it which betrays the point of my post - my post originally was merely to explain the backlash against her not to look at her career or her fans - the poster said "Kidman fans are ridiculous" after all - that is where this started. I'm not trying to explain her success or acclaim but rather give voice to that contingent that feels she is forced on them which I think is what he meant by "ridiculous". If the poster said "Kidman is a poor actress" I would have responded with a post that said "No she is not, here's why I feel that way ......." etc.
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Post by demille on Jul 16, 2019 13:47:28 GMT
Pacinoyes, In terms of marketing I see your point, and I am sure she has many fans simply as a result of the way she is marketed, but this does not take into consideration what other fans admire or are interested in with regards to her. As an actress, imo, she has an ability to portray a complexity of emotions that reveals the being of the characters she represents, and that this displays an insight into the human condition. Whilst it is true that it may be difficult to tell if critics or fans are being honest in there assessment of her work due to her marketing machine, it can also be argued that her fame and celebrity has, over the course of her career, prevented her work from being acknowledged and from her being taken more seriously as an actress. demille - Yes I'd agree with this however I'd just say that's the opposite way of looking at it which betrays the point of my post - my post originally was merely to explain the backlash against her not to look at her career or her fans - the poster said "Kidman fans are ridiculous" after all - that is where this started. I'm not trying to explain her success or acclaim but rather give voice to that contingent that feels she is forced on them which I think is what he meant by "ridiculous". If the poster said "Kidman is a poor actress" I would have responded with a post that said "No she is not, here's why I feel that way ......." etc. But the statement of "ridiculous" was made after the posts by pupdurcs, who wasn't being ridiculous, maybe a bit enthusiastic and hopeful (or exaggerating the case), but not ridiculous; and he was talking about Kidman's performance and he referenced a review of her performance. The fans that you are referring to and the marketing machine was not being discussed in this thread, which is why I did not initially understand your context and the point you were making.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 16, 2019 14:01:57 GMT
demille - Well I dunno man..........how much can I do - fight every battle with every poster - don't you think I post more than enough here If it bothers you so much, then I guess you need to reply to that poster and take it up with him or pupdurcs can do that himself rather than him attacking me for every single post of mine, right? My post merely addressed that "ridiculous aspect" of Nicole Kidman and her fans and I'd venture to say that neither pupdurcs or yourself or even many fans of Nicole Kidman reading this thread ever once thought of it prior to me raising it (?) and that is maybe part of the problem in and of itself. I mean if you're fans you should at least be cognizant of why some are not after all . 18 hours ago stabcaesar said:
Yeah Kidman fans are pretty ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 16:05:14 GMT
pacinoyes - I don't disagree with a lot of what you say about Kidman (and Swift...), and I would suggest the following actors have similar PR machines: Streep, Pitt, DiCaprio, etc. (i.e. there is never a negative word spoken about any of them in mainstream media). Kidman however has been on a several year cycle of pushing her films and her (many) upcoming films simultaneously - I've already heard her talk about Fair and Balanced and The Goldfinch several times by things I stumble over - AND her marriage, AND her business ventures - AND all facets of her personal life - project out or not. Kidman (and Swift) is different in this respect because she uses Instagram - the other three I listed don't (DiCaprio does, but his only posts are about environmental awareness). Kidman's posts are sweet and harmless and usually quite "domestic" - she posts about her cats a lot, lol - I guess her PR team just makes sure that her cutest posts get media coverage to endear her to her female fanbase.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 16, 2019 18:18:02 GMT
@tyler - and we talked into the Stage/TV/Film thread about Kate Winslet not doing theater - well in a lot of ways think how good PR could make her look better and they are clearly direct rivals (not in theater or popularity obviously that's all Kidman) but Winslet has an Oscar, an Emmy like Kidman, 3 more Oscar nods than Kidman - and is 9 years younger. I can tell you she'd love to have different PR and not deal with Allen/Polanski questions sometimes. demille - I didn't mean to dismiss your last post with my last reply - I do understand how you could have been confused at first with how her PR plays into her public image - right now at least - that was a good talk. How about a change of pace to get this thread back on the actual show topic instead of the Kidman diversion - was this the right move holding this for next Emmy season - I know this season was stacked with Sharp Objects and Fosse/Verdon among others - how do people think this would have played out against 2019's nominees?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 26, 2019 15:09:32 GMT
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jul 26, 2019 17:36:22 GMT
Oh honey, allegedly she has three PR firms working for her (she can afford it) and at least one item appears a day. There's no denying that she's a very wealthy woman and that she loves being a movie star. She does a mountain of publicity whenever she is doing anything and has to work harder than other actresses. Blannie has more awards for a lot less work.
Kidman is very savvy, after a succession of box office flops she knows when to jump onto an Adam Sandler / Jennifer Aniston vehicle to boost her box office score.
She also had a very good relationship with Weinstein. The Hours, Cold Mountain were big movies for Nicole... How many did she do with his involvement?
And yet people don't rush out to see her performances, don't you find that strange? Some of the movies she's done have made tremendous losses...
Personally, I think she does better in supporting or ensemble than lead... but that's just my opinion.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 27, 2019 9:37:56 GMT
I actually think she's better not just in supporting (now post-50 that's certainly true) but also quirkier and odd roles in general when she was younger like To Die For. The thing I've liked her best in lately has been Stoker where she's acting as part of a cohesive group for a larger purpose but is clearly not lead.
She's almost sold as a female hype machine like she's the biggest male star - like she's DiCaprio or at least a Hanks and she's not that.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jul 27, 2019 13:48:00 GMT
I actually think she's better not just in supporting (now post-50 that's certainly true) but also quirkier and odd roles in general when she was younger like To Die For. The thing I've liked her best in lately has been Stoker where she's acting as part of a cohesive group for a larger purpose but is clearly not lead. She's almost sold as a female hype machine like she's the biggest male star - like she's DiCaprio or at least a Hanks and she's not that.
Oh honey, that scene in Stoker where Charlie garots her is one of the most watchable things she's done.
I don't think anyone would see her as some sort a female DiCaprio - The Revenent pulled in $533 million. How much money did Queen of the Desert with Kidman in lead make? But yes, there's is a tremendous amount of marketing and PR that props up Kidman's career.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 27, 2019 23:33:11 GMT
I actually think she's better not just in supporting (now post-50 that's certainly true) but also quirkier and odd roles in general when she was younger like To Die For. The thing I've liked her best in lately has been Stoker where she's acting as part of a cohesive group for a larger purpose but is clearly not lead. She's almost sold as a female hype machine like she's the biggest male star - like she's DiCaprio or at least a Hanks and she's not that.
Oh honey, that scene in Stoker where Charlie garots her is one of the most watchable things she's done.
lol. Classic MsMovieStar you saucy little minx! Let's revisit this thread if there's news a few months from now - I mean you wouldn't think this weeks insane media puff piece blitz activity could be maintained - I mean after all............ all stars have marketing machines like this right? Kate Winslet? Cate Blanchett? Every week like this? For 3 years non-stop?. Today's new update - This is how it starts and then it gets even tougher on her. Maybe the puff piece days are indeed over Nicole Kidman has been known for her gorgeous, porcelain skin since practically forever. And, of course, she still looks absolutely amazing, whether she’s on the red carpet or onscreen as retired lawyer Celeste Wright in Big Little Lies. www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/nicole-kidman-obsessed-22-retinol-150000448.html
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 25, 2020 12:28:19 GMT
For MsMovieStar who will get the humor- periodically I like to check in on Nic and see how hard her PR team works for her.....and yeah they're still working as hard as ever.....daily. www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/hair/2020062492191/nicole-kidman-hair-transformation-lockdown/Also for those interested there are stories recently about how friends Steve Bing's suicide and Joel Schumacher's passing affected her (um) ..........selling her luxury penthouse........Instagram photos of her children with hubby (!)- her children are named "Sunday" and "Faith"......... you can't make this sh it up.
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Post by Allenism on Jun 25, 2020 13:47:05 GMT
How many posts is this largely milquetoast white woman going to inspire?
Like...Jesus Christ.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 25, 2020 13:52:08 GMT
How many posts is this largely milquetoast white woman going to inspire? Like...Jesus Christ. Very accurate description. I dunno, she usually just inspires polls which she never loses ..........this thread basically is just to mock her PR/social which is "Jesus Christ" level absurd.......although I guess in theory anything could show up in this one and it could turn into something else.......hopefully not a poll though.......
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jun 25, 2020 19:35:41 GMT
Oh honeys, I can't believe this thread has been reactivated. Isn't Covid 19 and all the people that have died not enough, must we endure Nicole Kidman and her flop movies as well during these exasperating times? I ran out of Tequila this morning... luckily I still have a couple of bottles of Flor de Naranja, Aquas de Colonia left...
This thread was started by Maria Helena. She's trying to destroy me.
Incidentally, while we are on the subject, the last Kidman flop, The Goldfinch, only made $9,932,621* worldwide on a $45 million budget and was one of the biggest flops of 2019 so I guess everyone wasn't rushing out to see Nicole's latest wig and hear her whispering... (such a bitch!)
Clearly, Nicole will now have to rush off and jump on another Jason Momoa movie...
*box office mojo
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 30, 2020 2:49:34 GMT
I don't think of her negatively, but I really don't understand people who think she's a phenomenal actress. The whispering mockery is legit IMO, and hasn't been countered. Moreover, I don't think she can go BIG. Those court scenes in The Reader with Winslet seem impossible with Kidman substituted. Winslet doing some crazy accent in Triple Nine? Would Kidman do that? Can she?
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 30, 2020 2:54:34 GMT
I've explained it a million times. There's not really a need to start a thread with my name in it asking me to explain myself yet again. And seeing as how she wins most polls on this board against other actresses, it's not exactly some rare thing too think she is a phenomenal actress around here either. I'm perhaps just more vocal than some.
I like you futuretrunks, but not cool.
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 30, 2020 3:05:36 GMT
I've explained it a million times. There's not really a need to start a thread with my name in it asking me to explain myself yet again. And seeing as how she wins most polls on this board against other actresses, it's not exactly some rare thing too think she is a phenomenal actress around here. I'm perhaps just more vocal. I like you futuretrunks, but not cool. If I've overstepped, I apologize. I just don't feel like I've gotten a straight answer from Kidman partisans, so maybe I'm corralling you into this.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 30, 2020 3:21:17 GMT
I've explained it a million times. There's not really a need to start a thread with my name in it asking me to explain myself yet again. And seeing as how she wins most polls on this board against other actresses, it's not exactly some rare thing too think she is a phenomenal actress around here. I'm perhaps just more vocal. I like you futuretrunks, but not cool. If I've overstepped, I apologize. I just don't feel like I've gotten a straight answer from Kidman partisans, so maybe I'm corralling you into this. Eh...I know you didn't mean anything by it. You're cool. Just been baited into a few too many Kidman arguments recently by people I don't have much respect for (and she's one of the more popular actors for discussion on this board anyway, so there is tons of stuff about her that has been debated repeatedly that is pretty easy to search for), so this thread kind of felt a bit opportunistic at first glance, which was why I reacted like that . She's gone "big" succesfully plenty of times ( The Paperboy, Paddington...even To Die For) and any vocal affectations she uses are a choice, not a limitation, so it's hard for me to care. When she needed to drop her voice a couple of octaves for The Hours, she did it. And so on. Anyway, I'll be a bit lazy and let Manhola Dargis explain her appeal, since she (and A.O Scott just ranked her as the Greatest English speaking actress of the 21st Century for the New York Times:
Artist, princess, writer, muse — Nicole Kidman has played them all, with short hair and long, a prodigious artificial schnoz and a fantastically jutting chin. She can smile like the sun and weep with enough tears that you want to hand her a box of tissues. In mainstream cinema, realism is an actor’s coin in trade, an aesthetic choice that helps turn artifice into something like life. For Kidman, a miniaturist with a lapidary touch, creating that realism sometimes involves obscuring the beauty (for the role, not awards) that has long defined her. It also means consistently playing with femininity.
Kidman entered the 21st century at the height of her stardom with “Moulin Rouge!” (2001). This was followed by a handful of other high-profile vehicles, most notably “The Hours” (2002), in which she played Virginia Woolf (cue the schnoz) and snared her an Oscar. It was a polite yawn of a movie that Kidman followed by starring in Lars von Trier’s “Dogville” (2004), a calculatingly abrasive Brechtian exercise in which her character, after being abused, picks up a gun and helps destroy a town. Kidman seemed to really enjoy that bit.
She’s made more than 40 movies since, some memorable and a number that are best forgotten. Like that of other actresses, Kidman’s celebrity has at times outstripped her bankability, creating a fame that has less to do with the box office and more to do with a starry persona sustained by red-carpet mileage and a glut of fashion-magazine covers. Some years, the movies came and went almost without notice. Still, Kidman kept steadily working and continued elevating negligible material, pushing herself even when the movies didn’t. She has also played a whole lot of mothers, a necessary survival strategy in a world as creatively unimaginative as the movie industry.
One pleasure of a virtuosic performer is watching them rise above their material. Kidman has done so repeatedly, including in “Birth” (2004), in which she plays a widow who comes to believe that a 10-year-old boy is the reincarnation of her dead husband. It’s pretentious twaddle that Kidman graces with delicacy and pinpricks of emotion. She’s flat-out glorious in “The Paperboy” (2012), a delectably vulgar whatsit in which she outshines a showboating male cohort, alternately urinating on Zac Efron and tearing her pantyhose in an orgiastic frenzy over John Cusack.
More recently, Kidman starred in “Destroyer” (2018), a harsh thriller from Karyn Kusama about a detective’s long downward spiral. Kidman goes big and brutal — punching and running and gunning and drinking to wild excess — to play a middle-aged ruin whose terrible choices are etched in every crease and blotch in her hard face. The movie flopped, perhaps because it was too ugly for today’s audiences or maybe it all seemed too down-market for one of Vogue magazine’s favorite cover girls. But Kidman is brilliant, cold, raw and true. Even with her face obscured almost beyond recognition, she remains undeniable. You can’t take your eyes off her. You never can.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 12, 2021 9:51:22 GMT
New ad btw.......is AMC going to survive..........?
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Post by MsMovieStar on Sept 12, 2021 15:44:21 GMT
New ad btw.......is AMC going to survive..........? Oh honey, why are you trying to destroy me?.. I thought we were friends! But seriously, her vocal delivery is all over the place in this ad. What accent is that exactly? It sounds inconsistent and doesn't flow... like parts of it were overdubbed at different times... And why does she whisper at the end - nobody is going to overhear or shush her as she is totally alone? Why does she sit in the seat with the left over drink, is she so cheap she can't buy her own? She didn't come in with it. She's becoming more and more weird with age! They probably cut out the bit of her urinating on the theatre floor...
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Post by JangoB on Sept 12, 2021 15:59:22 GMT
New ad btw.......is AMC going to survive..........? Oh honey, why are you trying to destroy me?.. I thought we were friends! But seriously, her vocal delivery is all over the place in this ad. What accent is that exactly? It sounds inconsistent and doesn't flow... like parts of it were overdubbed at different times... And why does she whisper at the end - nobody is going to overhear or shush her as she is totally alone? Why does she sit in the seat with the left over drink, is she so cheap she can't buy her own? She didn't come in with it. She's becoming more and more weird with age! They probably cut out the bit of her urinating on the theatre floor... I think she just started to nod off
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 12, 2021 16:10:43 GMT
New ad btw.......is AMC going to survive..........? Oh honey, why are you trying to destroy me?.. I thought we were friends! But seriously, her vocal delivery is all over the place in this ad. What accent is that exactly? It sounds inconsistent and doesn't flow... like parts of it were overdubbed at different times... And why does she whisper at the end - nobody is going to overhear or shush her as she is totally alone? Why does she sit in the seat with the left over drink, is she so cheap she can't buy her own? She didn't come in with it. She's becoming more and more weird with age! They probably cut out the bit of her urinating on the theatre floor... We are great friends Legend - even better than that ..........we're enablers of each other I was sure you would say she was all alone because: 1. She's actually at a movie that Nicole Kidman is in or 2. Because this ad is set in the future after Keith Urban has left her. Kidding. kidding, calm down people............geesh
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Post by MsMovieStar on Sept 12, 2021 21:53:47 GMT
Oh honey, why are you trying to destroy me?.. I thought we were friends! But seriously, her vocal delivery is all over the place in this ad. What accent is that exactly? It sounds inconsistent and doesn't flow... like parts of it were overdubbed at different times... And why does she whisper at the end - nobody is going to overhear or shush her as she is totally alone? Why does she sit in the seat with the left over drink, is she so cheap she can't buy her own? She didn't come in with it. She's becoming more and more weird with age! They probably cut out the bit of her urinating on the theatre floor... We are great friends Legend - even better than that ..........we're enablers of each other I was sure you would say she was all alone because: 1. She's actually at a movie that Nicole Kidman is in or 2. Because this ad is set in the future after Keith Urban has left her. Kidding. kidding, calm down people............geesh Oh honey, OK all is forgiven... but only because of the great kitty pic. It still doesn't explain the drink - Is she really the type that goes around slurping up other people's drinks?.. I'd better watch my tequila! Clearly everybody misunderstood and thought AMC were screening a Kidman movie... so no one showed up! Flopped again!
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 12, 2021 22:45:39 GMT
What a fucking weird thread. One of the most accomplished screen actresses in history, with an incredible body of work to potentially discuss and the main thrust of the conversation appears to be mainly just a couple of posters bitching about her being too rich and famous and ambitious or something Just feels a bit pathetic and sad for a board that's supposed to be about real cinephiles and film fans. We could be discussing her work with Stanley Kubrick or Lars Von Trier or Jonathan Glazer. Yet we got this shitty, subpar version of TMZ instead!
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