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Post by wallsofjericho on Jan 12, 2018 16:46:44 GMT
Yep, one of these threads again. I have quite enjoyed a lot of performances this year but for me as good as they were:
Timothee Chalamet: Very good no doubt, but found him too underplayed until the last 45 minutes of the film, where he is great but unfortunately I didn't feel anything because I didn't buy the chemistry with Hammer, because everything just felt at arms length. I don't think it's going to be some crime against humanity if Oldman beats him like his stans are making it out to be.
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Post by TheAlwaysClassy on Jan 12, 2018 16:56:09 GMT
Oldman, giving one of the worst performances of his career.
Edit: And after finally seeing The Shape of Water, I'm afraid I'd have to say Hawkins as well.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 12, 2018 17:01:55 GMT
That I've seen...........Tom Hanks. He is fine, but not special at all, Streep owns him and the movie is just ok, middle brow pretend serious stuff see what grown ups we are. Like what about this performance makes it worthy of acclaim instead of just "he's fine". I mean he might get nodded for this - at worst he's 6th and I don't know why based on his work - because James Franco is catching some pretty questionable sh it now? Kaluuya too but he's at least the best thing in his movie, Hanks isn't even that and gets credit for like being Streep's equal and he's not here.
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Post by stephen on Jan 12, 2018 17:07:50 GMT
I haven't seen all the contenders this year, but there are three in competition for this particular title for me.
One is Chalamet. He was fine overall, definitely better than his miscast co-star, and my myriad issues with the film largely have little to do with him, but it's a performance that just kinda feels staid for much of the film's runtime (up until the last half-hour, actually). I find it interesting that when it comes to queer cinema, there seems to be a particular love affair for the reserved protagonist whose sexuality has been "awakened" but largely remains internalized in their feelings (i.e. Ledger, Exarchopoulos, Cullen, Mara, Rhodes to an extent, and now Chalamet), and I suspect that they largely act as something of a Rorschach test for anyone who has ever experienced similar things. It's not a bad thing by any means (that is, indeed, what art is supposed to do), but I often wonder whether people add their own interpretations and experiences onto the performance rather than what the actor does. In Chalamet's case, he's good but not great, and I guess in terms of sheer volume of raves I see both here and on social media, he's challenging for the "most overrated" crown.
The second is Laurie Metcalf. I didn't care much for Lady Bird as it is, but I did enjoy some of the supporting actresses in it. But Metcalf wasn't one of them. Her character just felt far too elliptical for me, and her big moments largely felt like she was overplaying it. Contrast that with the effortless work of Lois Smith and Beanie Feldstein, who would actually be worthy of plaudits, and it baffles me that Metcalf is juggernaut-sweeping her way through the critics like she's been doing (although Janney may have just Kerrigan'd her at the final stretch?). Her scenes with Ronan are the weakest in the film, and I actually felt like Tracy Letts made more of a natural impact as a parental figure than Metcalf did. It isn't as egregious as Patricia Arquette's win was, where I am steadfastly convinced that I sat in a movie theater for the entirety of Boyhood's runtime in an entirely different dimension than the rest of the cinema community, but they still feel false to me. But having had to sit through the Arquette sweep, Metcalf following suit doesn't surprise me all that much in hindsight.
The third is Mary J. Blige. Unlike Chalamet and Metcalf, where I can legitimately see what would appeal to people, I can't for the life of me see what Blige is getting acclaim for. Because she doesn't do anything in the film. She is so passive throughout the whole piece, the film (already sluggish as it is) doesn't galvanize when she's on-screen, and while on paper the sort of "suffering mother stricken by poverty and oppression" would be a cinch for major focus, she feels like an afterthought. The whole film, really, feels this way, but Blige kind of exemplifies it. The movie itself is such a mixed bag where there are promising threads of different subplots, but it all amounts to little more than leftover fuzz in the dryer filter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 17:12:14 GMT
Probably Holly Hunter and Ray Romano
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Post by thomasjerome on Jan 12, 2018 17:25:25 GMT
Margot Robbie, Allison Janney
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Post by Kings_Requiem on Jan 12, 2018 17:26:46 GMT
Where to begin...
Dafoe Rockwell Metcalf Hammer Spencer Cranston
Not that I didn't like the performances in general, but I don't think they're really worthy of awards attention necessarily.
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Post by themoviesinner on Jan 12, 2018 17:27:23 GMT
Timothee Chalamet for sure.
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Post by notacrook on Jan 12, 2018 17:51:14 GMT
Yeesh, these Chalamet mentions!
I don't dislike any of these performances, but they spring to mind with 'overrated':
Sam Rockwell (it's mainly his character's fault, but I don't think his performances is anywhere near Oscar level) Allison Janney (again, one-note problematic character is the main problem) Richard Jenkins Michelle Pfeiffer James Franco Mary J. Blige
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Post by speeders on Jan 12, 2018 18:08:59 GMT
James Franco Richard Jenkins Allison Janney Michael Stuhlbarg Laurie Metcalf
Haven't seen The Post or Darkest Hour yet, will likely make the cut.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jan 12, 2018 18:09:51 GMT
Sadly I still have a lot to see (as far as contenders go) so I don't have anyone I'm frothing at the mouth over...
However... I will take the time now to say that Get Out's ensemble deserves no acclaim. Kaluuya aside, it is shit with sprinkles of just okay.
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Post by JangoB on Jan 12, 2018 18:16:45 GMT
Mary J. Blige was good but the awards craziness is too much. Franco is a bit overrated too, even though it is a fun performance - fun, but very superficial and not really a 100% fit for Wiseau. I'm also stunned by the raves for Betty Gabriel in "Get Out" but maybe that has more to do with how her scenes are directed (not well).
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Post by stephen on Jan 12, 2018 18:38:36 GMT
I'm also stunned by the raves for Betty Gabriel in "Get Out" but maybe that has more to do with how her scenes are directed (not well). I'm of two minds on this. I thought she was wonderfully effective, but a lot of the people who are raving her are the same people who lobbed shit at me for praising Lindsay Duncan for Birdman because "she wasn't in it long enough to matter."
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Post by Feesy on Jan 12, 2018 18:40:55 GMT
I would say Spencer in The Shape of Water, since she’s garnered a few nods early. I like her but it’s not nomination worthy for me.
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Post by Sharbs on Jan 12, 2018 20:00:36 GMT
Allison Janney FOR SURE I watched an episode of Moms because that's what my parents watch consistently and the only difference between the two performances was the haircut and a production value
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Post by notacrook on Jan 12, 2018 20:06:28 GMT
Allison Janney FOR SURE I watched an episode of Moms because that's what my parents watch consistently and the only difference between the two performances was the haircut and a production value To be fair, I think Janney is a fantastic actress in general, and I was really excited for all her Oscar buzz until I saw I, Tonya. I think her performance is good, but she literally has one note to play the entire thing, and she plays it well - but it sure gets repetitive fast. I really hope she doesn't cost Metcalf that win.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 20:17:56 GMT
Allison Janney FOR SURE I watched an episode of Moms because that's what my parents watch consistently and the only difference between the two performances was the haircut and a production value To be fair, I think Janney is a fantastic actress in general, and I was really excited for all her Oscar buzz until I saw I, Tonya. I think her performance is good, but she literally has one note to play the entire thing, and she plays it well - but it sure gets repetitive fast. I really hope she doesn't cost Metcalf that win. She's at once terrifying and funny, which I think is a pretty difficult task. I'd be interested to see her take on several of Kathy Bates' signature roles (Annie Wilkes, Madame LaLaurie, etc.) That being said, I 100% want Metcalf to win the gold.
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Post by Allenism on Jan 12, 2018 20:26:13 GMT
Dafoe: I like restraint, but this performance just didn't do much for me. Ronan: She's spry and engaging, but that's all she wrote. The fact that she's considered the runner-up in such a competitive year is a bit comical. Metcalfe: Similar to Dafoe, she does a nice job filling in the silences but ultimately it's sort of a boring performance. Stulhburg: It's not really his fault, he's just barely in the movie. He nails his big monologue, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 20:35:53 GMT
Dafoe: I like restraint, but this performance just didn't do much for me. Ronan: She's spry and engaging, but that's all she wrote. The fact that she's considered the runner-up in such a competitive year is a bit comical. Metcalfe: Similar to Dafoe, she does a nice job filling in the silences but ultimately it's sort of a boring performance. Stulhburg: It's not really his fault, he's just barely in the movie. He nails his big monologue, though. Dislike button.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 12, 2018 21:19:03 GMT
I guess Octavia Spencer in THE SHAPE OF WATER . Good but not oscar worthy . Ditto for her performance in HIDDEN FIGURES last year .
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 12, 2018 21:46:25 GMT
I'm just back home from ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD and when I opened this thread I immediately thought of Christopher Plummer. But I realize that the circumstances that brought him in the movie were unique.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 23:23:47 GMT
I would say Spencer in The Shape of Water, since she’s garnered a few nods early. I like her but it’s not nomination worthy for me. First thing that comes to mind for me too. I mean, she was OK, but that was kind of a nothing role.
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Post by Mattsby on Jan 12, 2018 23:46:53 GMT
I'll echo Sally Hawkins. She'll be nom'd but imo her alright performance is really nothing special. These women gave better performances in '17 or at least deserve to be talked about as much if not more than Hawkins---
Kate Winslet, Ia Shugliashvili, Aubrey Plaza, Florence Pugh, Brooklynn Prince, Jenny Slate, Noomi Rapace, etc.
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Post by MoonShadow on Jan 13, 2018 0:05:44 GMT
Ronan: She's spry and engaging, but that's all she wrote. The fact that she's considered the runner-up in such a competitive year is a bit comical. Metcalfe: Similar to Dafoe, she does a nice job filling in the silences but ultimately it's sort of a boring performance. Stulhburg: It's not really his fault, he's just barely in the movie. He nails his big monologue, though. MTE!
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Post by bob-coppola on Jan 13, 2018 3:57:20 GMT
Mary J. Blige - it's not her fault, her part is just too underwritten, she's basically scenery in most of her scenes. Her character could be written out and we wouldn't miss her, and she doesn't do much to elevate it - like Lindsey Duncan did in Birdman or Betty Gabriel in Get Out, as some have mentioned. Sally Hawkins - to this day, I'm still in love with what she did in Happy Go Luck, and I found The Shape of Water to be wonderful. Yet, Hawkins was a bit underwhelming to me, and one of the reasons is that she just couldn't sell the whole fantastical romance (which is the main plot) to me. She's good, but this huge fault in her acting made me like the movie a little bit less than everyone else. Daniel Kaluuya - the most fun aspect of Get Out is its satirical and absurd approach, and it's a shame that the lead actor is the one who's not buying into this premise. Gabriel, Keen, Williams are all fantastical, haunting and hysteric in their roles, but I think they could've used an actor who doesn't look so uptight to play the main character. And since he decided to play it like a straight-up horror, his performance just wasn't that engaging. He must be a good character actor, but maybe not a leading man material? James Franco - superficial, self-congratulatory acting, like usual Franco.
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