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Post by stephen on Jan 8, 2018 19:16:28 GMT
Three Billboards has been getting a lot of hate lately for the same reason. But holding a character's actions against an actor/performance beyond ridiculous. Then we get articles like this - saying the film would have been better without his character. www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2017/11/28/three-billboards-outside-ebbing-missouri-didnt-need-its-racist-cop/?utm_term=.4e6849477aafFrankly, one of the things I appreciated most about Three Billboards is the tough, no bullshit take. It doesn't present the world as a sweet and innocent place - because it isn't. It challenges the viewer. Bad people can do good things and a good people can do bad things. Ex. Our "hero" burns down a police station Dixon doing something good doesn't resolve him of his bad deeds. McDonaugh blurs the lines between good and evil. It's complicated - not black and white. People like a neat and tidy resolution where they don't have to think for themselves. If something doesn't align with their personal beliefs, they quickly dismiss it. Agreed. At no point does the film want us to take Dixon's side, but it wants us to understand that he isn't a bigoted asshole in a vacuum. His upbringing clearly had a lot to do with shaping who he was, he's not the brightest bulb in the box, and what good qualities he did have were obscured by the bad ones, and it made him unfit to be a cop. But does that mean that he should be treated as a one-dimensional monster? No. He may be an unsavory character, but there is humanity to him, and the best way to confront hate is with love and understanding, not shunning and isolation. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 8, 2018 19:48:17 GMT
I think this is an absolute bullshit article. I don't think Three Billboards is saying that Rockwell's character is a good guy by the end, instead he's just doing something good, because maybe he's finally seen the error of his ways. I don't think the film is implying that we're supposed to think that Dixon has turned over a new leaf or something.
Plus awards should be based off acting, and not the character itself. People shouldn't get so emotional about Rockwell winning basically.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jan 8, 2018 21:36:31 GMT
I didn't watch the Golden Globes and didn't even know they were on. Not for me anymore. No offense luv but what's the point of being here if not for the awards. We emigrated from the awards section of IMDB. |
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 8, 2018 22:02:56 GMT
I didn't watch the Golden Globes and didn't even know they were on. Not for me anymore. No offense luv but what's the point of being here if not for the awards. We emigrated from the awards section of IMDB. To be honest, I came to the board because it was active. Ibbi was running his BP review series and I started reading those, and only started posting elsewhere on the board later. It just so happened that it was the awards section. I've never been extremely interested in awards (although I follow them a bit now just to keep abreast of what everyone else is on about), I'm just here for the conversation. How many people can you speak with about movies in real life? I may as well be speaking another language from anyone I know. |
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Post by countjohn on Jan 8, 2018 22:37:04 GMT
Haven't seen the movie, but in regards to the earlier discussion, insisting that a character who does something wrong needs to be punished or "repent" is just Hayes Code style moralizing. Showing a character get away with wrongdoing in no way constitutes encouragement or endorsement of what the character did.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jan 8, 2018 23:01:29 GMT
And nobody has a problem with Allison Janney winning based on the character she played? I don't get the ire for Three Billboards... when none is directed at I, Tonya. OT: Yes, I was around during the whole 1992 Ice Skating scandal and still remember how that went down, so I don't buy Tonya as a victim. The film hasn't come here yet for me to see, so I don't know how it portrays her. However, last night not only was it one of the most boring Globes, I also didn't care for how much it seemed that Tonya Harding was celebrated by a room full of people that were trying to make a big message about stopping abuse against women. Tonya Harding = Survivor of both parental and domestic abuse. Nancy Kerrigan = Got her knee busted in an attack. At best, a victim of an assault, NOT abuse & most definitely not a lifetime of it. No one will ever know, but I firmly believe Harding had NO CLUE Kerrigan would be physically attacked. She wasn't forthcoming about what she did know & didn't do herself any favors, though I blame that on living in fear of her scumbag abusive ex, but NO FUCKING WAY she deserved her cruel punishment. I normally hate people who say shit like what I'm about to say now, but screw it, we're all hypocrites sometimes: If a person watches I, TONYA & still doesn't believe Tonya Harding should be called a victim, I truly wonder if they even have a soul. It's Basic Empathy 101 to me. |
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jan 8, 2018 23:07:46 GMT
morton - Yes, the film treats Harding as a victim. It succeeds in doing so largely by erasing Nancy Kerrigan as her victim. It also blames the audience for her downfall - seriously, in the mockumentary format, Harding and others look directly into the camera and say it's your fault that she conspired to harm Kerrigan. Sorry, but EVERYTHING you said about the film is dishonest & false. Tonya NEVER conspired to physically harm Kerrigan & the film basically takes the position that she did NOT, so you stating it blames the public for the attack is horseshit cuz the film states she wasn't responsible for it in the 1st place. What it suggests is that the media & public lynch mob against her during the scandal just continued the cycle of abuse she'd known her whole life & victimized her all over again...which is the goddamn TRUTH! |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jan 8, 2018 23:09:42 GMT
OT: Yes, I was around during the whole 1992 Ice Skating scandal and still remember how that went down, so I don't buy Tonya as a victim. The film hasn't come here yet for me to see, so I don't know how it portrays her. However, last night not only was it one of the most boring Globes, I also didn't care for how much it seemed that Tonya Harding was celebrated by a room full of people that were trying to make a big message about stopping abuse against women. Tonya Harding = Survivor of both parental and domestic abuse. Nancy Kerrigan = Got her knee busted in an attack. At best, a victim of an assault, NOT abuse & most definitely not a lifetime of it. No one will ever know, but I firmly believe Harding had NO CLUE Kerrigan would be physically attacked. She wasn't forthcoming about what she did know & didn't do herself any favors, though I blame that on living in fear of her scumbag abusive ex, but NO FUCKING WAY she deserved her cruel punishment. I normally hate people who say shit like what I'm about to say now, but screw it, we're all hypocrites sometimes: If a person watches I, TONYA & still doesn't believe Tonya Harding should be called a victim, I truly wonder if they even have a soul. It's Basic Empathy 101 to me. Is this movie the only source of information you have ever seen or read about Tonya Harding? |
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jan 8, 2018 23:16:40 GMT
Tonya Harding = Survivor of both parental and domestic abuse. Nancy Kerrigan = Got her knee busted in an attack. At best, a victim of an assault, NOT abuse & most definitely not a lifetime of it. No one will ever know, but I firmly believe Harding had NO CLUE Kerrigan would be physically attacked. She wasn't forthcoming about what she did know & didn't do herself any favors, though I blame that on living in fear of her scumbag abusive ex, but NO FUCKING WAY she deserved her cruel punishment. I normally hate people who say shit like what I'm about to say now, but screw it, we're all hypocrites sometimes: If a person watches I, TONYA & still doesn't believe Tonya Harding should be called a victim, I truly wonder if they even have a soul. It's Basic Empathy 101 to me. Is this movie the only source of information you have ever seen or read about Tonya Harding? No, boo, I lived through it too (was VERY young, but old enough to understand what was going on) and I've ALWAYS felt this way about it. Remember seeing her press conference & thinking "I believe her." The condescension is unnecessary. Everyone has their own opinion about the facts of that case, but only a moron would think it was a slam-dunk case of obvious guilt. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jan 8, 2018 23:27:39 GMT
Is this movie the only source of information you have ever seen or read about Tonya Harding? No, boo, I lived through it too (was VERY young, but old enough to understand what was going on) and I've ALWAYS felt this way about it. Remember seeing her press conference & thinking "I believe her." The condescension is unnecessary. Everyone has their own opinion about the facts of that case, but only a moron would think it was a slam-dunk case of obvious guilt. So by your own admission you have had your mind made up about this for a long time. Isn't it a bit hypocritical that you are chastising people for saying it's "slam dunk" while also saying "NO FUCKING WAY" she knew... |
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Jan 8, 2018 23:57:22 GMT
Time to take Daniel Day-Lewis' Oscar for There Will Be Blood then
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Post by speeders on Jan 9, 2018 1:11:14 GMT
Mo'nique needs to return her Oscar and repent!
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 9, 2018 1:58:02 GMT
Oh give me a fucking break with articles like this and asshats bitching on twitter.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 9, 2018 4:49:06 GMT
I didn't watch the Golden Globes and didn't even know they were on. Not for me anymore. No offense luv but what's the point of being here if not for the awards. We emigrated from the awards section of IMDB. None taken. It's because there are so many other things that get discussed on here besides the Oscars (music, films, books, breaking news stories, off topic, etc.) with people I enjoy. That's what I'm here for. I haven't watched award shows for the last few years actually. I just can't sit through them anymore. I don't know what it is because they used to be like the damn Super Bowl for me.  |
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 9, 2018 5:17:01 GMT
No offense luv but what's the point of being here if not for the awards. We emigrated from the awards section of IMDB. None taken. It's because there are so many other things that get discussed on here besides the Oscars (music, films, books, breaking news stories, off topic, etc.) with people I enjoy. That's what I'm here for. I haven't watched award shows for the last few years actually. I just can't sit through them anymore. I don't know what it is because they used to be like the damn Super Bowl for me. On every Oscar night, I'm traveling home after working a weekend tournament in Richmond, bone tired and a bit cranky. I keep the news on my radio to stay awake, and when I get home I play a video game and occasionally check in on live meltdowns right here. I don't actually *watch* the show. Why would I do that when I can see everyone flipping out over the La La Land reversal while doing something I enjoy? I'm not interested in the lame jokes and gags. If it was just the awards and one monologue from the host with occasional improvised gags here and there, I'd love to watch it. But 4 hours of the nonsense is insane. |
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 9, 2018 5:20:03 GMT
None taken. It's because there are so many other things that get discussed on here besides the Oscars (music, films, books, breaking news stories, off topic, etc.) with people I enjoy. That's what I'm here for. I haven't watched award shows for the last few years actually. I just can't sit through them anymore. I don't know what it is because they used to be like the damn Super Bowl for me. On every Oscar night, I'm traveling home after working a weekend tournament in Richmond, bone tired and a bit cranky. I keep the news on my radio to stay awake, and when I get home I play a video game and occasionally check in on live meltdowns right here. I don't actually *watch* the show. Why would I do that when I can see everyone flipping out over the La La Land reversal while doing something I enjoy? I'm not interested in the lame jokes and gags. If it was just the awards and one monologue from the host with occasional improvised gags here and there, I'd love to watch it. But 4 hours of the nonsense is insane. Right. I used to be all for it, but for me, it's more fun to get updates on here, and if anything major happens, the clip is online shortly after (or even during) the broadcast. I can't sit through it anymore. |
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Post by mattfincher on Jan 9, 2018 6:20:04 GMT
Oh my god, of course SterlingArcher is the dude showing everybody how woke he is in this thread. Some things never change (like how he can't help but talk about me in other threads still). Anyways, anyone who sees Dixon as redeemed, portrayed in a positive or even heroic manner is a staggering moron.
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Post by MoonShadow on Jan 9, 2018 6:36:10 GMT
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jan 9, 2018 6:56:54 GMT
You were literally chastising people for not being "woke" enough last year. Guess there is a world of difference when Brad Pitt doesn't have a movie about race in the running... You are looking through months of my posts looking an any mention of yourself? Even when I leave your name out of it because I'm really just roasting Merc. You are like a truffle pig except you are searching for my dick. why are you guys at one another's throats here. He came looking for a fight from the olden days. I was stupid and took the bait. I'll stop now and just let Matt be Matt. I would feel bad if I helped drag him back to his old ways. I'll walk away. Post deleted |
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