|
Post by jakesully on Jan 6, 2018 14:07:05 GMT
probably Mark Hamill in The Last Jedi .
|
|
|
Post by thomasjerome on Jan 6, 2018 14:31:36 GMT
Kristin Scott Thomas in "Darkest Hour"
|
|
|
Post by harlequinade on Jan 6, 2018 19:19:23 GMT
probably Mark Hamill in The Last Jedi . This, no wonder Hamill is pissed off.
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Jan 7, 2018 1:43:45 GMT
Joel Edgerton in It Comes At Night is my vote. If he'd given that exact same performance in a The Last of Us adaptation, it would've been amazing.
|
|
|
Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 7, 2018 3:08:26 GMT
the cast of Dunkirk
|
|
|
Post by tastytomatoes on Jan 7, 2018 3:35:26 GMT
|
|
Zeb31
Based
Bernardo is not believing que vous ĂȘtes come to bing bing avec nous
Posts: 2,557
Likes: 3,794
|
Post by Zeb31 on Jan 7, 2018 5:54:24 GMT
Performances that were far better than the writing/directing around them:
Rooney Mara, Una Ben Mendelsohn, Una Judi Dench, Victoria & Abdul Michelle Pfeiffer, Murder on the Orient Express Rebecca Ferguson, The Greatest Showman Oscar Isaac, Suburbicon Danielle MacDonald, Patti Cake$ Stacy Martin, Le Redoutable Michael Fassbender, Alien: Covenant
|
|
|
Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 7, 2018 7:21:48 GMT
think of how good they might have been had they been given actual characters.
|
|
|
Post by tastytomatoes on Jan 7, 2018 12:58:12 GMT
think of how good they might have been had they been given actual characters. This is so ignorant. Why don't you treat yourself with a re-watch.
|
|
Zeb31
Based
Bernardo is not believing que vous ĂȘtes come to bing bing avec nous
Posts: 2,557
Likes: 3,794
|
Post by Zeb31 on Jan 7, 2018 18:03:33 GMT
think of how good they might have been had they been given actual characters. This is so ignorant. Why don't you treat yourself with a re-watch. It really isn't. I don't necessarily agree with him (my reservations about the script are more due to how repetitive it is, hitting the same beats again and again with somewhat diminishing results), but it's a perfectly valid criticism. None of the characters are particularly memorable or really all that well developed, which I get was Nolan's intention but will understandably not work for a lot of people, who'll feel like the writing isn't up to par or as gripping as the visual/technical spectacle. A rewatch won't necessarily change that, and it's not an ignorant point of view.
|
|
|
Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 7, 2018 18:39:42 GMT
think of how good they might have been had they been given actual characters. This is so ignorant. Why don't you treat yourself with a re-watch. going off what Zeb said, the problem with Dunkirk for me is that the technical/visual scope is so beyond the screenplay's depth that it actually dwarfs it and makes it feel insignificant (the best way for me to describe this problem is Biblo's line from LOTR: "like butter spread over too much bread"). It's like Nolan decided he wanted to make a movie about Dunkirk without coming up with a story first, and the result is that his characters feel like single-trait stick figures that only exist to serve Nolan's vision and scope without having any depth or personalities of their own. In my opinion, it should be the other way around. You can only be so impressed with Nolan's technical ambition if there isn't any humanity at its center. If everything just exists to serve that vision, that vision becomes hollow. Dunkirk the battle wasn't about massive shots or superbly-choreographed action pieces. It feels like Dunkirk the movie is. And I don't buy this nonsense about the film being a harrowing depiction of war. If it is that, it's only in the slightest of terms. The Omaha beach assault in Saving Private Ryan is 100 times more harrowing than anything in Dunkirk, and I didn't even particularly like that film. Even Hacksaw Ridge, despite all its mawkish Jesus imagery to appeal to religious audiences, is a much better representation of the horrors of war. As for Dunkirk's depictions of simple heroism, they are just that: simple, because they don't derive from characters that are substantially developed. They're actions don't mean much if we don't know how much their actions mean for them as individuals. There's no baseline with which to gauge their heroism. It's supposed to be enough that their actions impede the faceless Enemy (the exact same film could have been told beat-for-beat from the German side...that doesn't sit well with me). To make matters worse, Nolan isn't even content to just let his little characters' actions speak for themselves. He has to weigh down the film in a non-linnear narrative gimmick that felt clever and fresh in Memento but now feels like a crutch. The fact that these three tiny stories actually connect doesn't elevate the film. It reveals just how pathetically limited Nolan's narrative scope really is. This isn't a new thing for Nolan. He's been extraordinarily successful in the past at manipulating audiences into puzzling over structural mush with the expectation that there's something terribly significant, terribly meaningful beneath it. Dunkirk's skeletal screenplay continues that trend of keeping audiences thinking without giving them anything much to think about.
|
|
|
Post by FrancescoAbides on Jan 7, 2018 18:41:39 GMT
Domhnall Gleeson in Star Wars: The Last Jedi
|
|
|
Post by tastytomatoes on Jan 8, 2018 12:37:14 GMT
This is so ignorant. Why don't you treat yourself with a re-watch. going off what Zeb said, the problem with Dunkirk for me is that the technical/visual scope is so beyond the screenplay's depth that it actually dwarfs it and makes it feel insignificant (the best way for me to describe this problem is Biblo's line from LOTR: "like butter spread over too much bread"). It's like Nolan decided he wanted to make a movie about Dunkirk without coming up with a story first, and the result is that his characters feel like single-trait stick figures that only exist to serve Nolan's vision and scope without having any depth or personalities of their own. In my opinion, it should be the other way around. You can only be so impressed with Nolan's technical ambition if there isn't any humanity at its center. If everything just exists to serve that vision, that vision becomes hollow. Dunkirk the battle wasn't about massive shots or superbly-choreographed action pieces. It feels like Dunkirk the movie is. And I don't buy this nonsense about the film being a harrowing depiction of war. If it is that, it's only in the slightest of terms. The Omaha beach assault in Saving Private Ryan is 100 times more harrowing than anything in Dunkirk, and I didn't even particularly like that film. Even Hacksaw Ridge, despite all its mawkish Jesus imagery to appeal to religious audiences, is a much better representation of the horrors of war. As for Dunkirk's depictions of simple heroism, they are just that: simple, because they don't derive from characters that are substantially developed. They're actions don't mean much if we don't know how much their actions mean for them as individuals. There's no baseline with which to gauge their heroism. It's supposed to be enough that their actions impede the faceless Enemy (the exact same film could have been told beat-for-beat from the German side...that doesn't sit well with me). To make matters worse, Nolan isn't even content to just let his little characters' actions speak for themselves. He has to weigh down the film in a non-linnear narrative gimmick that felt clever and fresh in Memento but now feels like a crutch. The fact that these three tiny stories actually connect doesn't elevate the film. It reveals just how pathetically limited Nolan's narrative scope really is. This isn't a new thing for Nolan. He's been extraordinarily successful in the past at manipulating audiences into puzzling over structural mush with the expectation that there's something terribly significant, terribly meaningful beneath it. Dunkirk's skeletal screenplay continues that trend of keeping audiences thinking without giving them anything much to think about.I must say wasn't overwhelmed by this technical ambition showcased in Dunkirk, as I only know that 75% of the movie is filmed with IMAX cameras. I'll say for myself that the characters in Dunkirk moved me strongly, partly from the fact that the characters that I can fill in my projection, for these men are only characterized by the action and decisions in an event. It is also due to the insignificant portrayal of heroism and humanism in the characters that moved me deeply. I am taken back when you take your opinion into factual statements. It's funny how you go on with your opinion to criticizing how the director should have made this movie into one that appeals to you, as if your response to the movie serves as the standard of good film-making. I thought Moonlight was rather boring and that the artistic imagery evokes no feeling, yet it moved a lot of people and I don't go understating the effect of the movie's style.
|
|