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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 6, 2018 3:14:27 GMT
It really baffles me that he's not in the best actor nom conversation right now. He was outstandmin Stronger and should be well above Kaluuya (who was good and movie was great).
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Jan 6, 2018 3:31:36 GMT
The physicality of the role is to be admired, but I thought Maslany way overshadowed him overall.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 6, 2018 3:31:45 GMT
Damn good question. Stronger is a very awards-friendly film, and a pretty good one at that. It's near-total absence from any accolades these past weeks will be the most baffling mystery of the 2017 awards season. Thing is, the categories where it would have the best shot (adapted screenplay, lead actor) aren't that strong this year. Supporting actress isn't that strong either, so Masnalny's absence in the race probably has more to do with the fact that the film just hasn't seemed to connect with any voters - anywhere (which is strange both because it had strong critical support and focused on awards-friendly topics and people). Hell, I could see both her and Gyllenhaal being frontrunners in different years, but nothing came together for them with this one. Weird...
And I think the only reason Kaluuya is such a strong player in the race is just because everyone has massive hardons for Get Out. I think it's love-by-association more than anything else, just as Gyllenhaal and Maslany's absence is indifference-by-association.
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Post by stephen on Jan 6, 2018 3:38:29 GMT
Maybe there is such a thing as being "too baity."
In all seriousness, Stronger feels like the sort of "overcoming adversity" story that we've seen so many times before, and while Gyllenhaal is very committed in the role, it's still a very paint-by-numbers part. And the film lacks staying power; I've seen it and struggle to remember more than a token smattering of scenes in it. Plus Gyllenhaal doesn't seem to have all that much success with Oscar nominations of late. You'd think the guy would be scoring makeup nods for the Nightcrawler snub.
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Jan 6, 2018 3:40:37 GMT
And I think the only reason Kaluuya is such a strong player in the race is just because everyone has massive hardons for Get Out. I think it's love-by-association more than anything else, just as Gyllenhaal and Maslany's absence is indifference-by-association. In defense of the Kaluuya voters, I was really surprised to find on rewatch how many of his scenes come off "Oscar clip" like, despite the kind of movie it is. The first hypnosis, describing the night of his mother's death, and the "give me the keys" scenes are likely really standing out to people. |
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Post by stephen on Jan 6, 2018 3:45:13 GMT
And I think the only reason Kaluuya is such a strong player in the race is just because everyone has massive hardons for Get Out. I think it's love-by-association more than anything else, just as Gyllenhaal and Maslany's absence is indifference-by-association. In defense of the Kaluuya voters, I was really surprised to find on rewatch how many of his scenes come off "Oscar clip" like, despite the kind of movie it is. The first hypnosis, describing the night of his mother's death, and the "give me the keys" scenes are likely really standing out to people. Yeah, it's remarkable how after almost a year, it's his performance that lingers the most from that movie. He is far from the showiest performance in the piece at first glance, but he is the glue that holds it all together, and he does have a lot of great actorly moments when you pick it apart. The more I think on it, the more stoked I'd be if he got nominated. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 6, 2018 3:56:45 GMT
In all seriousness, Stronger feels like the sort of "overcoming adversity" story that we've seen so many times before, and while Gyllenhaal is very committed in the role, it's still a very paint-by-numbers part. That may be true, but this is the same group of people that threw support behind Hidden Figures, Hacksaw Ridge, Lion, American Sniper, The Imitation Game, The Theory of Everything, Dallas Buyers Club, The King's Speech, The Fighter, and 127 Hours (I'm sure I could dig up a few more examples). And that's just for the last decade. Your feelings about the film aside, the question is why a well-received film from an extremely awards-friendly genre (biographical story about overcoming adversity) is totally absent from a race in which films of these nature typically have a strong track record. I suppose I care more about this because I actually enjoyed the film. I get how it would be easy to shrug off the question if you were indifferent to the film, but you have to admit it's puzzling, no? EDIT: and btw, when someone uses the phrase "too baity," I think of films like Unbroken, Trumbo, and The Danish Girl, not films with 94% scores on RT. |
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Post by stephen on Jan 6, 2018 4:02:29 GMT
In all seriousness, Stronger feels like the sort of "overcoming adversity" story that we've seen so many times before, and while Gyllenhaal is very committed in the role, it's still a very paint-by-numbers part. That may be true, but this is the same group of people that threw support behind Hidden Figures, Hacksaw Ridge, Lion, American Sniper, The Imitation Game, The Theory of Everything, Dallas Buyers Club, The King's Speech, The Fighter, and 127 Hours (I'm sure I could dig up a few more examples). And that's just for the last decade. Your feelings about the film aside, the question is why a well-received film from an extremely awards-friendly genre (biographical story about overcoming adversity) is totally absent from a race in which films of these nature typically have a strong track record. I suppose I care more about this because I actually enjoyed the film. I get how it would be easy to shrug off the question if you were indifferent to the film, but you have to admit it's puzzling, no? It's not really all that puzzling when you think about it. David Gordon Green isn't exactly an Oscar draw, Gyllenhaal has had unfortunate luck getting that second nod, Lionsgate isn't the greatest studio when it comes to campaigns, and for all the films you listed, I could list probably twice the amount of on-paper baity movies that didn't get recognized. I mean, Stronger came and went and made like six dollars at the box office. |
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Jan 6, 2018 22:09:41 GMT
He was great yes but not even the best of his movie!
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 7, 2018 21:08:35 GMT
Unfortunately Stronger didn't make much of an impact. Jake clearly wants an Oscar though, so I wouldn't be surprised if he kept trying to do challenging roles like Stronger in the future though.
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Post by AKenjiB on Jan 7, 2018 21:47:42 GMT
And I think the only reason Kaluuya is such a strong player in the race is just because everyone has massive hardons for Get Out. I think it's love-by-association more than anything else, just as Gyllenhaal and Maslany's absence is indifference-by-association. In defense of the Kaluuya voters, I was really surprised to find on rewatch how many of his scenes come off "Oscar clip" like, despite the kind of movie it is. The first hypnosis, describing the night of his mother's death, and the "give me the keys" scenes are likely really standing out to people. Totally agree. I first saw Get Out when it was in theaters last February. And while I really enjoyed the film, my praise was mainly on the screenplay and direction. So when Kaluuya was getting so much praise, it really surprised me. But I just rewatched it yesterday and was shocked by how much I loved his performance this time. Chris is honestly not that developed of a character. We really know little of his personality yet Kaluuya makes him instantly sympathetic and engaging to watch. His performance is so good at building the film’s tension and a real sense of danger. But it’s so non-baity that I’m (pleasantly) surprised it’s gotten this much attention. |
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Post by AKenjiB on Jan 7, 2018 21:48:55 GMT
Maybe it’s because of its weak box office. Not sure how many people have even heard of it, unfortunately. I do think Gyllenhaal deserves more recognition. He takes a baity role and makes it feel really powerful and genuine.
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Jan 7, 2018 21:54:49 GMT
If he is snubbed for Nightcrawler, one of the best performances of the decade and easily his best role, he is unsurprisingly snubbed for everything else. It's a damn shame, he is unlucky I guess.
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Post by AKenjiB on Jan 7, 2018 23:59:34 GMT
If he is snubbed for Nightcrawler, one of the best performances of the decade and easily his best role, he is unsurprisingly snubbed for everything else. It's a damn shame, he is unlucky I guess. It’s been three years and I’m still bitter about his Nightcrawler snub. |
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