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Post by Film Socialism on Feb 20, 2017 7:15:27 GMT
like what the shit you guys think it's going to be anything other than a cashgrab lmao
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Post by idioticbunny on Feb 20, 2017 8:06:59 GMT
I just got back from seeing this, and I absolutely agree. I think Wiig is great for the role, and it would be fantastic to see Jack Nicholson - one of my favorite actors - back on the big screen, but what the fuck. Like The Intouchables, both are simple films that are easy to remake but unless have drastically different visions, are basically nothing but a cash grab.
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Post by no on Feb 20, 2017 15:55:24 GMT
See Catrician, this is what you don't seem to understand... if a film isn't made entirely in English, it isn't truly a film. The argument can be made that it is still a film, but surely, you can agree that it is at least lesser art. As English speaking Caucasians are the world's most important population, our films should reflect our sensibilities. We can have an occasional black movie here and there so that we can pretend we care about history, but when it comes down to it, if a film isn't in English and doesn't have stars we instantly recognize... then why see it? Toni Erdmann is a good example of a remake going to be done right; it has Jack Nicholson and Kristen Wiig. BIG STARS. Not Sandra Hüller and Peter Simonischek. What is the point of watching a film if we can't even pronoucne the names of its "stars". Americanizing the story makes way more sense as why would anyone want to see a story not set in America, unless of course it is about a historical event like The Great Wall.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 20, 2017 16:41:17 GMT
Because someone in Hollywood thinks that every famous Foreign language film deserves an English language movie, because "Why not?"
The film has a good cast, but I think it's gonna bomb. It's completely unnecessary.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 17:09:18 GMT
American remakes of foreign films are almost never a good idea.
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Post by oneflyr on Feb 20, 2017 17:14:35 GMT
See Catrician, this is what you don't seem to understand... if a film isn't made entirely in English, it isn't truly a film. The argument can be made that it is still a film, but surely, you can agree that it is at least lesser art. As English speaking Caucasians are the world's most important population, our films should reflect our sensibilities. We can have an occasional black movie here and there so that we can pretend we care about history, but when it comes down to it, if a film isn't in English and doesn't have stars we instantly recognize... then why see it? Toni Erdmann is a good example of a remake going to be done right; it has Jack Nicholson and Kristen Wiig. BIG STARS. Not Sandra Hüller and Peter Simonischek. What is the point of watching a film if we can't even pronoucne the names of its "stars". Americanizing the story makes way more sense as why would anyone want to see a story not set in America, unless of course it is about a historical event like The Great Wall. Could've used a bit more subtlety tbh.
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Post by no on Feb 20, 2017 17:16:42 GMT
See Catrician, this is what you don't seem to understand... if a film isn't made entirely in English, it isn't truly a film. The argument can be made that it is still a film, but surely, you can agree that it is at least lesser art. As English speaking Caucasians are the world's most important population, our films should reflect our sensibilities. We can have an occasional black movie here and there so that we can pretend we care about history, but when it comes down to it, if a film isn't in English and doesn't have stars we instantly recognize... then why see it? Toni Erdmann is a good example of a remake going to be done right; it has Jack Nicholson and Kristen Wiig. BIG STARS. Not Sandra Hüller and Peter Simonischek. What is the point of watching a film if we can't even pronoucne the names of its "stars". Americanizing the story makes way more sense as why would anyone want to see a story not set in America, unless of course it is about a historical event like The Great Wall. Could've used a bit more subtlety tbh. I don't do subtlety when I am sick at home.
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Post by cornnetto on Feb 20, 2017 18:56:49 GMT
Well the goal on a filmmaker (screenplay writer, etc..) is to be seen, to be seen in most of the english speaking market, you need to have the movie be in English.
Wanting to be seen (what filmmaker want) and wanting to make money are hard to distinguish (when the filmmaker do not put the movie in a free to download platform, just impossible to distinguish).
There is a lot of project that sound much more like cash grab than a Toni Erdmann movie remake.
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Post by no on Feb 20, 2017 20:29:33 GMT
American remakes of foreign films are almost never a good idea. Real talk, how often are remakes in general a good idea?
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Post by Film Socialism on Feb 20, 2017 20:44:57 GMT
American remakes of foreign films are almost never a good idea. Real talk, how often are remakes in general a good idea? auteur behind the project
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Post by cornnetto on Feb 20, 2017 21:03:48 GMT
American remakes of foreign films are almost never a good idea. Real talk, how often are remakes in general a good idea? When technological advancement or bigger level of resource are relevant to the storytelling, it was a really good idea to make those Peter Jackson Lords of the Rings even thought we had those Russian TV movies type of the lords of the rings, or Cameron Titanic versus the previous Titanic movies, War of the Worlds, or most of the recent Disney remake or their classic tend to be successful good idea. MadMax fury road was a bit of that too, Death Race could have been a good idea for a remake, the first one being so limited. With a context change (like The departed, The Ring, Let Me In) open the movie to a new audience that have not seen the original anyway and would have never watched it. When society change, and that story retold could be interesting with a today context twist, it did work really well with many classic play/romans remade in movies, Clueless, Lion King, etc.. I cannot imagine why it would not in the future work well with old movie, instead of old plays/books.
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Post by no on Feb 20, 2017 22:06:34 GMT
Real talk, how often are remakes in general a good idea? auteur behind the project *good auteur I'd more or less agree. Werner Herzog's Nosferatu, the Vampyre, I would say is the greatest remake I have seen in my opinion.
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Post by no on Feb 20, 2017 22:10:38 GMT
Real talk, how often are remakes in general a good idea? When technological advancement or bigger level of resource are relevant to the storytelling, it was a really good idea to make those Peter Jackson Lords of the Rings even thought we had those Russian TV movies type of the lords of the rings, or Cameron Titanic versus the previous Titanic movies, War of the Worlds, or most of the recent Disney remake or their classic tend to be successful good idea. MadMax fury road was a bit of that too, Death Race could have been a good idea for a remake, the first one being so limited. With a context change (like The departed, The Ring, Let Me In) open the movie to a new audience that have not seen the original anyway and would have never watched it. When society change, and that story retold could be interesting with a today context twist, it did work really well with many classic play/romans remade in movies, Clueless, Lion King, etc.. I cannot imagine why it would not in the future work well with old movie, instead of old plays/books. I would be inclined to agree with the first chunk of that statement. I would say animation remade into live-action is something that is fine with me ( The Lord of the Rings for example) or change of median (TV movies to films), or say when a film is based on a classic story with multiple different ways to tell the same story. Honestly, while I would say Cameron's Titanic has great scope and production design, more so than any other Titanic film, it is nowhere near as good of a film as A Night to Remember. That said, I also prefer Ringu over The Ring, and I have almost no interest in seeing how America butchers Let the Right One In.
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Post by cornnetto on Feb 20, 2017 22:40:07 GMT
Sure the result is never certain, it is not a good or bad idea depending on the results (there is some dice rolling here), something is a good idea if it has a high enough chance to be a good time for enough people in theater (or at home). Judging if something was a good idea by the result is always a bit misleading and worst is using our personal taste in something were it is not relevant at all, no single individual taste is that relevant in movie worthiness or good idea type of talk. Titanic is a top 100 favorite to million of people, that make it in a trivial way a worthy remake.
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