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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jan 4, 2018 20:50:34 GMT
Didn’t have a lot to say about it. But whatever, I still liked it.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Jan 4, 2018 20:53:27 GMT
All of haters of the film say Oldman practically shouts and overacts, but from your neutral perspective is there any effective quite and nuanced moments to his performance.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jan 4, 2018 20:58:35 GMT
All of haters of the film say Oldman practically shouts and overacts, but from your neutral perspective is there any effective quite and nuanced moments to his performance. There’s a lot of big speeches, and it’s not exactly nuanced (Then again, Churchill wasn’t either), but there are plenty of quiet moments for him to play more reserved, and some great moments relying on his physical expression.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 4, 2018 21:13:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 21:16:01 GMT
It's dull oscar bait... but very well made dull oscar bait. And Oldman was great.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jan 4, 2018 21:55:30 GMT
Eh. To each his own. Outside of *her* and the action, none of it really clicked with me.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 4, 2018 22:03:11 GMT
Eh. To each his own. Outside of *her* and the action, none of it really clicked with me. I loved the fairy tale vibe of the whole thing, with Cate Blanchett as a wicked stepmother and big bad wolf all rolled into one. That's my jam, creating fantastic worlds inside of semi-"realistic" settings. Like Sergio Leone's westerns, which are more like watching giants observing the affairs of mere mortals than your normal western.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jan 5, 2018 4:39:11 GMT
do they talk about how much of a horrible person he was or is that sort of left off 2 da side in this 1
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Post by wallsofjericho on Jan 5, 2018 18:48:16 GMT
Just seen it. Oldman > Chalamet tbh.
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 13, 2018 22:03:14 GMT
I just saw it. It's deeply uneven and disjointed, it never quite works as a whole, it lacks cohesion and regularity, and some scenes are like the carbon copy of The King's Speech key sequences. It has a good score (even though not even close to Marianelli's Atonement), it has great production design, but I sort of agree that some of the acting choices were a bit baffling. Like, it's very well known that Churchill mumbled, so why go that heavy-handed on that? Or that he used to speak with a loud voice? I wouldn't say it was overacting but it didn't even please me. Oldman gave his best in the more intimate scenes, like those with his wife and with his secretary, or even the Tube scene.
All in all, I wouldn't say it's bad, but it's barely ok. As in, 6/6-.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 14, 2018 0:32:01 GMT
DARKEST HOUR : The movie itself is a tad boring but Oldman is absolutely captivating as Churchill . Such an impressive transformative performance which goes beyong the prowess of the makeup artist. He did an outstanding job portraying a complex man struggling to find the best way out of a terrible situation.
6.5/10
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 14, 2018 7:20:51 GMT
well my parents loved it anyways
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 14, 2018 7:56:18 GMT
I just saw it. It's deeply uneven and disjointed, it never quite works as a whole, it lacks cohesion and regularity, and some scenes are like the carbon copy of The King's Speech key sequences. It has a good score (even though not even close to Marianelli's Atonement), it has great production design, but I sort of agree that some of the acting choices were a bit baffling. Like, it's very well known that Churchill mumbled, so why go that heavy-handed on that? Or that he used to speak with a loud voice? I wouldn't say it was overacting but it didn't even please me. Oldman gave his best in the more intimate scenes, like those with his wife and with his secretary, or even the lovely Tube scene. All in all, I wouldn't say it's bad, but it's barely ok. As in, 6/6-. So Oldman not a deserving winner?. It's his year so I have to accept that out of all the great performances he's given, he'll win for this one. But he wouldn't be my win. Good but not memorable, imo.
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Post by evilbliss on Jan 14, 2018 12:59:29 GMT
This annoys me. Reminds me of Michael Keaton vs Eddie Redmayne where the older actor totally deserved more than the younger, yet the younger one. This year the younger deserves a LOT more but the older one's gonna get it...
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 14, 2018 14:12:35 GMT
I guess I just see it differently but Darkest Hour was ok with a rollicking performance that gets it over. I really think it's more or less equal to Chalamet just different - entirely different. The Chalamet performance might affect someone more - I can see how it could - but it's the difference of what's appropriate for the film.
Oldman's performance is similar to Finnney's in The Gathering Storm which was also great, it's just Churchill is an ace role, everybody nails it, what can you do, it's not like you can diss the actor for playing a great role.
Oldman is better than Hanks, better than Kaluuya, better imo than Franco (who I liked), better than Washington, and more or less equal to Chalamet. I haven't seen DDL , but that's comparable to all the other contenders and a lot worse performances have won and for worse reasons than you've been a special actor in this industry for 30 years.
Is it hands down the performance of the year? No, but it's close enough, and I don't see Stanton or Bale being talked about as contenders and they clearly should be. I just don't understand the Chalamet support at all - he comparably equal to Oldman, tough break, but there's greater injustices to be fought than who wins BA this year....
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Jan 16, 2018 22:45:10 GMT
Well it was your typical very dry old fashioned political biopic with a strong resemblance of "The Iron Lady", just without the kitsch. The film lives and breathes from the tremendous performance by Gary Oldman. Its not all about make up, which was flawless, it is really about the performance because Oldman manages to give his character so much soul beneath the dozen layers of make up. Not only does he perfectly captures the mannerisms, voice and wit of Winston Churchill, no he shines most in the silent moments (when Lily James' character tells him about her brother, or the scene in the subway). Kristin Scott Thomas is also good. Its really not a showy performance in any way, but she does little wonders with it. And she was perfectly cast as well. Ben Mendelsohn is good as King George VI and has some memorable moments. Where the film lacks a bit is the direction, because it was rather uninspired (besides some good camera ankles ) and the rather boring screenplay. They should have given us a much deeper insight than just showing historic facts and famous speeches. It would have been a great opportunity. Well, towards the ending it gets some drive but really truly lives from Oldman's performance and thus serves perfectly as a vehicle for him.
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Best Actor in a Leading Role: Gary Oldman Best Make-Up
Rating: 7/10
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Post by stephen on Jan 16, 2018 23:28:48 GMT
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Post by notacrook on Jan 17, 2018 17:09:17 GMT
Yawnnnn. Oldman is good but nowhere near Chalamet, and pretty much everything else about it was impossibly bland and safe. 4.5/10
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Post by countjohn on Jan 18, 2018 0:27:13 GMT
It was okay. Oldman is great and I wouldn't have a problem with him winning, but it's sort of just a vehicle for his performance. I feel about it similarly to The King's Speech, although Oldman is a little better than Firth and this is a little better directed.
There were some liberties taken historically. I've heard the audio of the famous "fight them on the beaches, on the hills, and in the streets" speech and he isn't shouting like he is in the movie. It made the speech much more effective irl, he sounded composed and confident. I think they exaggerated how eccentric he really was.
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Post by ibbi on Jan 18, 2018 20:41:41 GMT
I wouldn't call this movie trash, but I'd say it's laughably stupid to the point of almost being offensive. When that little girl on the train is like "NEVER!" I legitimately had to fight back my laughter and do that thing where you pretend you're coughing.
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Post by stephen on Jan 18, 2018 20:54:06 GMT
I wouldn't call this movie trash, but I'd say it's laughably stupid to the point of almost being offensive. When that little girl on the train is like "NEVER!" I legitimately had to fight back my laughter and do that thing where you pretend you're coughing. I guess I gotta give McCarten some credit: I'm surprised he didn't try to build the movie around that little girl and how she inspired Winston Churchill to fight 'em on the beaches. Maybe he tried, and found out that the title The Girl on the Train was taken.
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Post by speeders on Jan 20, 2018 14:08:47 GMT
This was even worse than I dared fear. Utterly boring, lifeless Oscar bait.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Jan 20, 2018 17:56:30 GMT
I wouldn't call this movie utter trash by any means but is very uneven and very proud of its roots, I mean if someone tells me this is a propaganda film I wouldn't say it isn't and that dream sequence at the subway is golden.
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Post by countjohn on Jan 21, 2018 4:39:11 GMT
I wouldn't call this movie utter trash by any means but is very uneven and very proud of its roots, I mean if someone tells me this is a propaganda film I wouldn't say it isn't and that dream sequence at the subway is golden. Oh god, I hated that subway/underground scene.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 8, 2018 12:31:22 GMT
I wouldn't call this movie trash, but I'd say it's laughably stupid to the point of almost being offensive. When that little girl on the train is like "NEVER!" I legitimately had to fight back my laughter and do that thing where you pretend you're coughing. That scene was a study of cinematic cringe. I almost started singing 'Never Enough' from "The Greatest Showman" when all those normal folk were like 'NEVER NEVER'. If right after that scene Churchill would wake up, I'd be fine. But the movie tried to pass it as reality
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