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Post by MsMovieStar on Jan 2, 2018 20:33:55 GMT
Wow! Penelope Cruz!!! Oh honey!!!
Who's watching this, apart from moi?
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jan 2, 2018 21:53:06 GMT
Wait... I thought S2 was Katrina related...
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Post by quetee on Jan 3, 2018 0:50:22 GMT
Wait... I thought S2 was Katrina related... Supposed to be but got announced last year sometime that due to production they had to pushed back Katrina.
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Post by quetee on Jan 3, 2018 0:52:15 GMT
Wow! Penelope Cruz!!! Oh honey!!! Who's watching this, apart from moi? Duh, of course I'm there. This looks out of control good.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jan 3, 2018 1:20:26 GMT
Wait... I thought S2 was Katrina related... Supposed to be but got announced last year sometime that due to production they had to pushed back Katrina. UGHHHH! I was really looking forward to them taking on Katrina... Can't say the same about this (granted, it was only a 60 teaser, but still).
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Post by quetee on Jan 3, 2018 1:43:51 GMT
Supposed to be but got announced last year sometime that due to production they had to pushed back Katrina. UGHHHH! I was really looking forward to them taking on Katrina... Can't say the same about this (granted, it was only a 60 teaser, but still). The producers said it was due to production but I don't believe that. I believe the viewers heard the Katrina announcement and said, huh, that's not an American crime and the producers decided to soften the blow by pushing up Versace. People were bitching and moaning like no tomorrow especially after watching the OJ series. How do you go from OJ to Katrina? There was no recognizable crime per se. Of course, all of this is simply IMHO.
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Post by Schiggy on Jan 5, 2018 3:59:33 GMT
The People vs. H. Katrina
But really, Katrina sounds coma-inducingly boring. Next they'll do a season on global warming or the Chipotle E. Coli outbreaks. Versace was a bit of a "I'll wait till I see a trailer" and it looks pretty watchable so far. Love that Cruz is doing something (sort of "high caliber") and in a lead role at that.
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Post by notacrook on Jan 18, 2018 21:04:03 GMT
First episode was pretty strong I thought. Darren Criss is doing phenomenal work so far, and Penelope Cruz's big moment landed spectacularly. They're taking a very interesting approach that's refreshing and certainly different from O.J. - I'm not sure if this'll end up being as good, but I'm definitely hooked and intrigued to watch more. 8/10
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Post by quetee on Jan 18, 2018 21:14:42 GMT
This show has a lot of material to work with due to the fact that andrew was a true con artist. If you have time google the vanity Fair article.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jan 19, 2018 8:22:31 GMT
First episode was pretty strong I thought. Darren Criss is doing phenomenal work so far, and Penelope Cruz's big moment landed spectacularly. They're taking a very interesting approach that's refreshing and certainly different from O.J. - I'm not sure if this'll end up being as good, but I'm definitely hooked and intrigued to watch more. 8/10Oh honey, I'm hooked as well. The production values are excellent (I once heard someone else say that and it sounded quite knowledgeable). Do you think they used the original house? Penelope Cruz as Donatella deserves a series of her own: I'm just loving the accent and they way she delivers her lines. It's spot on. Especially with the little touch of the prosthetic front teeth... Darren Criss, well I've never seen him before but one of the hallmarks of great acting is nudity and he has a great body and it using it well... Now if we could just get him to turn around and show us his Emmy... That house! I was just born to live there with handfuls of servants and a newspaper delivery boy. Strong start: 8/10
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Post by evilbliss on Jan 23, 2018 23:49:33 GMT
Edgar Ramirez is giving me a less flamboyant version of Peter Macdissi as Olivier in Six Feet Under. The voice and accent are the same!
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Post by quetee on Jan 24, 2018 5:40:36 GMT
Wow at Darren Criss. He is killing it.
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Post by AKenjiB on Feb 8, 2018 5:41:05 GMT
Darren Criss is doing a fantastic job but honestly this is a hard show to enjoy. I say that more as a personal preference thing rather than a specific flaw with the show. It’s just so relentlessly brutal and unpleasant and knowing that people were actually murdered like this makes the violence all the more horrifying. This wasn’t a problem with season 1 because there’s only the two murders and we don’t see it onscreen. But in this, we’re seeing people butchered every episode. I’m not criticizing the approach taken and I’m gonna finish it but I’ve got a feeling I’m never gonna want to watch this ever again.
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Post by quetee on Mar 11, 2018 18:50:59 GMT
You guys still watching? Only 2 episodes left.
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Post by evilbliss on Mar 12, 2018 8:59:30 GMT
You guys still watching? Only 2 episodes left. Even though we all know how it ends, this was an amazing season. It gets darker and darker by the episode and the acting is absolutely riveting. Its still too early and I'm not the best TV viewer to tell you this but: Darren Criss will sweep at the awards.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 12, 2018 14:00:11 GMT
You guys still watching? Only 2 episodes left. Even though we all know how it ends, this was an amazing season. It gets darker and darker by the episode and the acting is absolutely riveting. Its still too early and I'm not the best TV viewer to tell you this but: Darren Criss will sweep at the awards. This is something that a lot of people are telling me that the Emmy race is going to be between Criss and Pacino and since Pacino has 2 already he's not exactly in a good spot to win which would bum me out. Sometimes the Emmy's are weird though so I'll guess we'll how the field shapes up if these are same category even (I don't really get how the differentiate that?). I look forward to watching this though, I'm a fan of Edgar Ramirez who has under-performed career wise since Carlos (my best film of that year) so I'm glad to see him in something of note again.
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Post by idioticbunny on Mar 15, 2018 18:12:57 GMT
Having not watched the most recent episode, I kind of loved the show in its first four episodes. I felt it was going in a weird order, but I was okay with it if it helped to explain a bit of Cunanan's motives for killing Versace by showing his previous murders. At the same time, I was worried with the first two episodes that they were making Cunanan just a little bit too charming in a "feel bad for this psychopathic murderer of innocent people because he's just a broken soul". So when you see him do these despicable acts of violence right before our very eyes in a very disturbing way and then see its consequences with both the victims and their families, it kind of made you really feel for the victims for once in these types of shows.
... And then I was reminded who was running the show. From episode five on it did the EXACT thing I was hoping it would avoid and it tried to make Cunanan out to be a sympathetic person. I get it, if it were a fictional show, but to have the show be called "The Assassination of Gianni Versace" and to a) give more screen time to his murderer than Versace himself and b) to paint Cunanan out as someone you should feel sorry for because of his past when we're hardly getting to even know the victims... That's the kind of Ryan Murphy I knew full well in American Horror Story and that's why I think the O.J. season was a total fluke in terms of good quality. I was hoping he hit his stride with this show after the first four episodes (the fourth episode in particular was just insanely fucking good), but I can't stand the fact that the show keeps going back and forth in a weird order of sequences and we keep spending so much time getting to know Cunanan which we don't need to - we already know him well enough and we don't need to humanize the murderer of five real-life people when we could be humanizing those victims instead. But whatever, maybe it'll redeem itself in these last two episodes.
That being said - personal issues on it aside - Darren Criss is fucking killing it as Cunanan. Edgar Ramirez is great as well, and Penelope Cruz and Ricky Martin (surprisingly) are doing great work as well, but considering their limited time on the show, Criss is far and away the MVP. Just a sinister performance and I never knew he had it in him. Special mention to Cody Fern and Judith Light who absolutely deserve to win some Guest Emmys for Episode 4 and Episode 3 respectively. They just absolutely broke my damn heart in those episodes (even if we've seen more of Fern in the last few episodes than Ramirez himself, which is still okay because he's still putting in great work).
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Post by idioticbunny on Mar 18, 2018 23:11:45 GMT
the actor Jon Jon Briones was sublime. Absolutely agree there.
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Post by notacrook on Apr 18, 2018 1:07:40 GMT
Finally finished it.
Overall, a hugely ambitious and fascinating season of TV that was structurally daring, sometimes to a fault. The constant jumping back-and-forth in time was an interesting concept that too often felt convoluted and unnecessary. Still, I really liked the approach of focusing entire episodes on one aspect of the story (this was particularly the case in the middle stretch, which was also the strongest). The cast was terrific across the board, with Penelope Cruz and especially Darren Criss being the standouts.
It wasn't on the level of O.J. by a long shot, but it was a consistently engaging and challenging season that aimed high and succeeded more often than not. 8/10
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 10, 2018 12:02:00 GMT
Well on the basis of this thread I will hold out some hope that my opinion on Darren Criss both in this show and in general might be changed, as two episodes in I'm finding he sucks as much as he always does.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 11, 2018 11:41:40 GMT
I found this really a drag and even the (too much) much-praised Criss was giving a repetitive performance of no internal tension that I saw - I was really disappointed after all the raves I heard. This was let's all play pretend-dress up "ripped from the headlines" stuff to me. Supporting performances were kind of unintentionally funny. I actually thought this was a gross kind of vulgarity of a production too. I guess this will win given the raves I've heard for Criss from everybody - but I just don't get it - over Pacino and Cumberbatch (previous winners) but Pacino out-acts him just on a professional technique level and while I haven't seen Cumberbatch yet but he out-acts Criss in the trailer of his piece. I mean he literally shows me more in the trailer than Criss did in total. That doesn't even count McLaughlin......
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Post by ibbi on May 14, 2018 21:06:35 GMT
I liked and hated it in equal measure. I couldn't stand how most of it was (correct me if I'm wrong, please) just fucking made up. I mean they don't know that any of this stuff that makes up the majority of this season happened, right? Just change the names and make up your own story. I think Criss had some good moments here and there, but the majority of what we saw was just so simplistic psychologically. I loved the episode 4, 5, 6 arc, and thought episodes 4 and 5 were great, and thought episode 9 was really, really good too, but meh to the rest. Though the sense of dread conjured up in episode 3 was tremendous, give that woman a horror movie.
Like his previous London Spy the thing aims to go deeper, but at least for me its pleasures are more surface ones, it's in the thrill of the ride rather than the meaning behind it. Tom Rob Smith knows how to make compelling drama, but Alexander and Karaszewski he ain't.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 11, 2018 12:16:32 GMT
So now that I'm done with this I can say that it was a pretty decent run overall. The use of the Versace name in the title of the show was akin to clickbait, but it gave Cruz and Ramírez an opportunity to shine, so I can live with it I suppose. The Andrew / Jeff / David stuff was easily the most interesting part of the show, followed by the little bit dedicated to the Cunanan family. If you had had Versace himself appear in two episodes and Donatella as a minor cameo like role, it wouldn't have weakened the show at all, and had you eliminated Ricky 'Zoolander' Martin from the show completely, it would have improved it. Ultimately the shows greatest weakness was it's lead performer. Darren Criss deals in the worst kind of obviousness. He's clearly done nothing to improve his 'acting' between Glee and this, as his Andrew Cunanan was Blaine with anger issues.
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Post by Pavan on Dec 2, 2019 18:58:41 GMT
Took me ages to finish this, almost all the bubbles were gone.
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