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Post by notacrook on Dec 30, 2017 20:30:03 GMT
One of the more controversial, for sure.
I've seen 4 of his films: Breaking the Waves, Dancer in the Dark, Melancholia and Dogville. I think the first three are pretty much masterpieces, with Waves landing in my all-time top 30. Dogville is also great, although I think it's the only one I've seen where the nihilism and contempt gets too much and it becomes something of a punishing experience for a while. Overall though, based on these 4 he probably ranks among my 15 favourite directors. He's especially good at getting phenomenal performances from his leads; Watson, Björk, Dunst & Gainsbourg, Kidman - they're all exceptional. Even if von Trier was a total prick to at least some of them the whole time.
However, I think when looked at together it's clear that von Trier only has a few things to say - a lot of being how cruel humanity is - and therefore the themes can feel repetitive and familiar. Still, when looked at individually I have almost nothing but praise for him as a director.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 20:37:05 GMT
Dogville and Melancholia are both fantastic. Two of my favorites for sure. Breaking the Waves is pretty good. Antichrist I'm kind of mixed on. I lean towards liking it more than not but a lot of it just didn't work for me. I think pretty highly of Trier's ability as a director, usually love Dafoe, and have no problem with disturbing/graphic stuff in movies, but for one reason or another this one falls kind of flat for me.
That's all I've seen. Dancer in the Dark's decently high in my mental watchlist next time I'm in the mood for something depressing.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 30, 2017 20:46:14 GMT
his head's a little too far up his own ass
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Post by Javi on Dec 30, 2017 21:31:37 GMT
Probably the best working director from 1996 to 2003. He was like a demented Carl Dreyer, and almost as brilliant. Breaking the Waves is damn close to being a masterpiece. Dogville is hilarious in a really perverse way.
I don't like any of his recent stuff, though. Antichrist is just plain ugly and Melancholia is a bore.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Dec 30, 2017 22:08:13 GMT
He can make life look pretty disgusting. I don't think he's like Dreyer though, he's kinda like Iñárritu, but the most similar is probably Lukas Moodysson with Lilya 4-ever. But I feel he repeats some recurring things. Just like Iñárritu always has his characters have shitty things happen to them to where they seem like luck's worst joke, Von Trier always has his lead female be shat on, despised by society, and branded as local scum whore, and that gets a little bit tiring when it takes over the entire second half of his films.
That said, I think Breaking the Waves and Dogville are both good, grim and ghastly (used to mean a good thing), and do some things particular only to them, and Von Trier as a director definitely stands out. I give Dogville and Nymphomaniac both an 8/10, Breaking the Waves a 7.5/10, and the other films I've seen from him are ok, but missing a few collective viewings.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 30, 2017 23:20:50 GMT
He has talent and ideas but can't get out of his own way and his work always collapses at the end because he's interested in merely pushing buttons. Breaking the Waves is a film of faith by a guy who has none, Dogville is a film about America by a guy who doesn't understand it, and so on. He's a filmmaking pretender really, who plays the role of a great genius without the work to sustain it.
The great Lukas Moodysson was mentioned as a reference point and if you want a comparison Lilja-4-Ever is exactly the kind of movie he couldn't make. Moodysson is an artist, Von Trier a charlatan, a provocateur, which of course is fine, but he's not going to all of a sudden "get good", it all too late for that, too many years of getting fat, and too much misguided acclaim for too many years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 1:49:48 GMT
Only seen two- Antichrist and Dancer in the Dark, both masterpieces.
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Post by stephen on Dec 31, 2017 1:59:00 GMT
I think when it comes to getting performances out of his leading ladies, there is no one better working today, and probably no one better since the days of Hitchcock. Now, the Bjork accusations do shine a different sort of light on that, but most of the other actresses praised von Trier's methods, and the end results do speak to something in his directorial method. The likes of Watson, Kidman, Howard, Gainsbourg and Dunst have all given their career-best work, and in the cases of most of them (Bjork included), they rate as some of the best female performances in modern cinema. I am intrigued to see what he will do with a singular male protagonist in Matt Dillon.
When it comes to von Trier as a screenwriter, he is effective enough but his works feel far too stage-bound. This is obviously most notable in Dogville and Manderlay, but all of his screenplays have a distinct flavor to them that, while very good, also feel like they would be far more effective as stage dramas rather than in a visual medium like film. This isn't a bad thing necessarily, as they add to his style, but it's an intriguing observation nonetheless.
When it comes to a visual director, I can't stand his aesthetic. Antichrist and Melancholia have moments of pure visual loveliness, but the rest of his films are grotesque to look at sometimes. Dogville has one of my favorite scripts of the 2000s, but I despise the Brechtian minimalist aspect of the set design and direction. I wish that he had the visual flair of someone like Refn or even Vinterberg (who calmed down after his flirtation with Dogme 95 and has cranked out some pretty gorgeous films of late).
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 31, 2017 4:06:16 GMT
one of the goats
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 31, 2017 4:16:15 GMT
Only seen Breaking the Waves, which is a masterpiece.
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