doodle
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Post by doodle on Dec 24, 2017 1:03:46 GMT
There are so many similarities between the two when it comes to award wins/nods so far. I wasn't worried before until the SAG noms came out. I think the majority can collectively agree that we all have CMBYN getting nominated for Best Picture. I predict 8 best picture nominations this year. Axing CMBYN really puts a dent there because I can't really think of any other film that deserves that 8th spot more than CMBYN.
1. Dunkirk 2. Get Out 3. Three Billboards 4. Shape of Water 5. Lady Bird 6. The Post 7. The Florida Project 8. ???
Thoughts? Do you see CMBYN getting Carol'd? If so who gets that 8th spot?
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Post by stephen on Dec 24, 2017 1:05:35 GMT
I think it still gets in, but it underperforming at SAG is a major red flag. I think it's possible it gets the Carol treatment, but as long as it gets in for Actor and Screenplay, it should be fine.
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Post by Schiggy on Dec 24, 2017 1:13:57 GMT
Just imagine Hammer getting in lead and Chalamet in supporting.
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Dec 24, 2017 1:47:16 GMT
It won't get snubbed for BP because it really helps being a frontunner for Adapted Screenplay and Chalamet is a lock for a nomination
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Post by bob-coppola on Dec 24, 2017 2:00:14 GMT
Have you guys watched CMBYN? Because the only true acting standout is Timothée, and he got in. Hammer and Stuhlbarg are both very fine and deserved a nod, but their amount of screentime/perspective on the film easily justifies the snub. It's best ensemble, and CMBYN is more of a one-man show instead of an ensemble piece, unlike the films that got nods.
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Post by stephen on Dec 24, 2017 2:14:08 GMT
Have you guys watched CMBYN? Because the only true acting standout is Timothée, and he got in. Hammer and Stuhlbarg are both very fine and deserved a nod, but their amount of screentime/perspective on the film easily justifies the snub. It's best ensemble, and CMBYN is more of a one-man show instead of an ensemble piece, unlike the films that got nods. Yes, I've seen it. And while Chalamet is the focus of the film, Hammer and Stuhlbarg get enough meat to their roles that in as weak a year as Supporting Actor is turning out to be, one or both should've been strong contenders for SAG, and even without them, they'd have a shot at Ensemble. But instead of Hammer/Stuhlbarg, Harrelson and Carell got in. That speaks to an unexpected strength in Three Billboards and a potential weakness in Call Me By Your Name. If Chalamet is the only performer they rally around in the film where other films are getting more actor support, it could prove to show that it might not have the passion needed to be a major contender. Call Me By Your Name needs a resurgence from BAFTA and DGA.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 24, 2017 2:39:59 GMT
It won't get snubbed for BP because it really helps being a frontunner for Adapted Screenplay and Chalamet is a lock for a nomination Blanchet and Mara were locks and Carol was nominated for Screenplay. I think it's probably safe but your reasoning is flawed.
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Post by mrimpossible on Dec 24, 2017 4:18:51 GMT
Umm Florida Project is not more likely to happen than CMBYN. And just cause Carol missed BP doesn't mean it flopped it got 6 Oscar nominations! Very few films get that many.
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 24, 2017 5:07:36 GMT
merc already took a massive dump on it so I think its chances are good.
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Dec 24, 2017 12:15:46 GMT
It won't get snubbed for BP because it really helps being a frontunner for Adapted Screenplay and Chalamet is a lock for a nomination Blanchet and Mara were locks and Carol was nominated for Screenplay. I think it's probably safe but your reasoning is flawed. Carol wasn't a lock for a screenplay win and CMBYN is (at least 90% I believe), that's my point
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Post by levpoldkahnt on Dec 24, 2017 14:04:23 GMT
Well, CMBYN is far inferior to Carol, so it would make sense if it gets snubbed. In a year that is so full with spectacular queer movies it is kind of disappointing that CMBYN is the one thats being talked about. Also Hammer does not deserve a nomination. Chalamet however is outstanding. He in Best Actor, along with Song and maybe cinematography, are the only categories this rather dull adaptation of an outstanding novel should be nominated in.
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Post by dadsburgers on Dec 24, 2017 14:13:57 GMT
In a year that is so full with spectacular queer movies Out of curiosity, what other queer movies came out this year? It's one of my favorite genres but I haven't heard of any others this year off the top of my head. CMBYN will be nominated for the following: Picture Actor Adapted Screenplay Song But I fear it will be Carol'ed in the sense that it gets wrongfully snubbed for: Director Supporting Actor (Hammer) Supporting Actor (Stuhlbarg) Cinematography Editing For me, Stuhlbarg is the biggest snub. His heartfelt performance is among the great queer characters of all time. As of now, he's my win and i don't see anyone topping him (no pun intended).
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Post by Christ_Ian_Bale on Dec 24, 2017 18:18:09 GMT
Umm Florida Project is not more likely to happen than CMBYN. And just cause Carol missed BP doesn't mean it flopped it got 6 Oscar nominations! Very few films get that many. Yeah, I'm not really sure where people are getting that The Florida Project is a surefire Picture nominee. I don't imagine any other nominations beyond Dafoe.
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Post by levpoldkahnt on Dec 24, 2017 18:34:32 GMT
In a year that is so full with spectacular queer movies Out of curiosity, what other queer movies came out this year? It's one of my favorite genres but I haven't heard of any others this year off the top of my head. CMBYN will be nominated for the following: Picture Actor Adapted Screenplay Song But I fear it will be Carol'ed in the sense that it gets wrongfully snubbed for: Director Supporting Actor (Hammer) Supporting Actor (Stuhlbarg) Cinematography Editing For me, Stuhlbarg is the biggest snub. His heartfelt performance is among the great queer characters of all time. As of now, he's my win and i don't see anyone topping him (no pun intended). Other, better queer movies of the year include: 120 BPM - it's the movie I've been waiting for for many many years now. It's what Philadelphia should have been. God's Own Country - My favorite movie of the year and one of the best queer movies of all time. It's the movie that people should talk about instead of CMBYN. Hjartasteinn (Heartstone) - Great movie from Iceland. It's a tiny bit clichee, but amazing nevertheless. Great cinematography and outstanding young actors. A Fantastic Woman - Great movie about a Trans*woman. Beach Rats - Spectacular lead actor in an amazingly raw movie. So, yeah. CMBYN is not a bad movie. The novel it is based on is so much more passionate and intimate than the movie though. The acting - despite Chalamet - is nothing to write home about and the chemistry between the two leads wasn't really there for me. God' Own Country for example made me ache for the two characters. I didn't care for the movie Elio and Oliver. I am all for visibility, but the straight washing of the novel really pissed me off. Also all this talk about being intimate with each other on the award circuit made me mad.
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Post by levpoldkahnt on Dec 24, 2017 18:36:07 GMT
But I fear it will be Carol'ed in the sense that it gets wrongfully snubbed for: Director Supporting Actor (Hammer) Supporting Actor (Stuhlbarg) Cinematography Editing For me, Stuhlbarg is the biggest snub. His heartfelt performance is among the great queer characters of all time. As of now, he's my win and i don't see anyone topping him (no pun intended). And the fifth spot in directing should be Aronofsky's!
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Post by doodle on Dec 24, 2017 18:58:07 GMT
Well, CMBYN is far inferior to Carol Debatable
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Post by levpoldkahnt on Dec 24, 2017 20:01:14 GMT
Well, CMBYN is far inferior to Carol Debatable Well, I thought it was obvious that i was just stating my opinion, so no debate necessary .
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 24, 2017 20:49:14 GMT
I think it's a slightly better, more honest film than Carol, at least in that it is coherent all the way through and Carol seemed to me a (expertly directed) big fake out as it set up a clear tragic ending and then went a whole different way. But that might just be how it played on me.
I think the screenplay win (likely) helps a lot with a BP nod.....
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Post by quetee on Dec 24, 2017 21:01:49 GMT
Well, I thought we all came to the conclusion that Carol suffered from the female viewpoint and most of the voters are male. I do believe CMBYN will score a nod but it is not winning best picture.
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Post by akittystang on Dec 24, 2017 22:09:40 GMT
As much as I would love it to win Best Picture, it's not happening.
I'm rooting for Timothee Chalamet though; the credit sequence that critics are talking about...goddamn. Gary Oldman does not need to win for The Iron Lady 2.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Dec 24, 2017 23:31:19 GMT
Oh man, so Sarah Paulson's really the best performance in this movie too?
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Post by akittystang on Dec 25, 2017 7:37:59 GMT
Oh man, so Sarah Paulson's really the best performance in this movie too?
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 25, 2017 15:04:24 GMT
Blanchet and Mara were locks and Carol was nominated for Screenplay. I think it's probably safe but your reasoning is flawed. Carol wasn't a lock for a screenplay win and CMBYN is (at least 90% I believe), that's my point Carol was up against 4 best picture nominees in Adapted Screenplay. I'm pretty sure Carol would win Adapted this year if their release dates were switched.
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Post by Allenism on Dec 25, 2017 15:13:41 GMT
Well, CMBYN is far inferior to Carol, so it would make sense if it gets snubbed. In a year that is so full with spectacular queer movies it is kind of disappointing that CMBYN is the one thats being talked about. Also Hammer does not deserve a nomination. Chalamet however is outstanding. He in Best Actor, along with Song and maybe cinematography, are the only categories this rather dull adaptation of an outstanding novel should be nominated in.That describes Carol a lot more than it does CMBYN. The former benefits from Hayne's cerebral direction and an arresting lead performance not given by Rooney Mara, but the overall result is surprisingly unremarkable given the talent involved. The screenplay at certain points is actually kinda...bad.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Dec 25, 2017 16:21:22 GMT
Oh man, so Sarah Paulson's really the best performance in this movie too? Say what you will, but she was definitely way better than Mara in Carol.
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