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Post by wallsofjericho on Dec 18, 2017 20:07:37 GMT
I think there will be ultimately more passion for Chalamet's performance and I'm not convinced that people like Oldman enough to give him the win.
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Post by stephen on Dec 18, 2017 20:44:55 GMT
Chalamet was always going to play well with the critics, but Oldman will (barring any controversy) be more of an industry favorite. I also think that Call Me By Your Name will underperform with the Academy. I'm not going to declare a winner yet, but I see a lot of people bailing on Oldman and I think that is really premature.
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Post by cheesecake on Dec 18, 2017 21:49:01 GMT
Oldman.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 18, 2017 22:08:08 GMT
THE OLD MAN
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Dec 18, 2017 22:18:28 GMT
Gary Oldman
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Post by Allenism on Dec 19, 2017 17:33:46 GMT
I could see Chalamet spoiling, just because I don’t think Oldman is widely beloved enough to be given the award just on overdueness.
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 19, 2017 17:46:07 GMT
Gary Oldman and The Darkest Hour have been under performing with the critics.
It will be difficult for Oldman to win if the film isn't nominated for Best Picture. Without it, he isn't popular enough in Hollywood.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Dec 19, 2017 17:57:20 GMT
I can see Darkest Hour it performing way better with Oscar voters than critics ( for a lot of them is the kind of film they detest ) and surprise with a bunch of nominations, incluiding best picture, I can see his thinkings of the world can be a turn off but just watch those interviews on youtube and see what he can do if just talks about his profession, everybody seems to be in ode just listening to him, he's been doing this for decades, maybe is not the first name that comes out in a conversation about great actors working today but many people are aware of who he is. While CMBYN is such a critics favourite, I don't see all that passion translate to the Academy, hell, maybe is the Carol of this year. Right now I think Oldman has it.
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Post by dazed on Dec 19, 2017 17:59:04 GMT
FRANCOOO
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Post by stephen on Dec 19, 2017 18:05:20 GMT
Gary Oldman and The Darkest Hour have been under performing with the critics. It will be difficult for Oldman to win if the film isn't nominated for Best Picture. Without it, he isn't popular enough in Hollywood. The thing is, it was never projected to be a critical favorite. It was always going to be more of an industry player. And Oldman hasn't done terribly thus far; he may be trailing behind Chalet* when it comes to winning things so far, but he's not been ignored, and Oldman has a lot more going for him. He's made it to SAG, the Globes, and I'm willing to bet Darkest Hour performs strongly at BAFTA with nominations. Chalamet's film is actually the one that's underperforming; it's done well to get him this far, but it missed crucial love at SAG. Oldman doesn't need Darkest Hour to perform well overall to win, but Chalamet likely needs the Academy to go hard for his film to do so, because he's a newbie in a category that favors the vets. EDIT: God, I hate SpellCheck sometimes.
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 19, 2017 18:22:10 GMT
Gary Oldman and The Darkest Hour have been under performing with the critics. It will be difficult for Oldman to win if the film isn't nominated for Best Picture. Without it, he isn't popular enough in Hollywood. The thing is, it was never projected to be a critical favorite. It was always going to be more of an industry player. And Oldman hasn't done terribly thus far; he may be trailing behind Chalet when it comes to winning things so far, but he's not been ignored, and Oldman has a lot more going for him. He's made it to SAG, the Globes, and I'm willing to bet Darkest Hour performs strongly at BAFTA with nominations. Chalamet's film is actually the one that's underperforming; it's done well to get him this far, but it missed crucial love at SAG. Oldman doesn't need Darkest Hour to perform well overall to win, but Chalamet likely needs the Academy to go hard for his film to do so, because he's a newbie in a category that favors the vets. Gary Oldman was widely predicted as the critics favorite.
The fact is - going back to 2000, only 3 Best Actors have won without their pictures being nominated. Jeff Bridges was Hollywood royalty and with 5 nods, the sentimental favorite. Forrest Whitaker was undeniable after sweeping the critics and industry awards. And Denzel was Denzel - a big name movie star.
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Post by stephen on Dec 19, 2017 18:29:20 GMT
The thing is, it was never projected to be a critical favorite. It was always going to be more of an industry player. And Oldman hasn't done terribly thus far; he may be trailing behind Chalet when it comes to winning things so far, but he's not been ignored, and Oldman has a lot more going for him. He's made it to SAG, the Globes, and I'm willing to bet Darkest Hour performs strongly at BAFTA with nominations. Chalamet's film is actually the one that's underperforming; it's done well to get him this far, but it missed crucial love at SAG. Oldman doesn't need Darkest Hour to perform well overall to win, but Chalamet likely needs the Academy to go hard for his film to do so, because he's a newbie in a category that favors the vets. Gary Oldman was widely predicted as the critics favorite.
The fact is - going back to 2000, only 3 actors have won without their pictures being nominated. Jeff Bridges was Hollywood royalty and with 5 nods, the sentimental favorite. Forrest Whitaker was undeniable after sweeping the critics and industry awards. And Denzel was Denzel - a big name movie star.
I'm fully aware of the stats. Oldman was predicted as a critics' favorite by those who think that there's a "follow the leader" mentality of awards bodies to anoint a winner early on. And nobody was talking about Chalamet or his film until it screened, whereas Oldman was predicted the second he was cast, when the only other major contender announced was DDL. But even so, again, Oldman's film is more of what the industry tends to go for over the likes of Chalamet's. Awards bodies historically tend to champion the smaller films and performances, but critics' tastes don't always match with the Academy's. Yes, there is a chance Chalamet spoils for the win, and he's done quite well to get as far as he has, but he's got far more of an uphill climb than Oldman does. I think for Chalamet to win, he'd have to take at least SAG. But that's the guild that is made up of people who regard Gary Oldman as an acting god, in a role that is absolute catnip for them, and unlike the rest of Hollywood, actors haven't really turned their back on him. I'd be much more keen on Chalamet's chances if SAG had nominated any of his co-stars or the film itself in Ensemble. Oldman doesn't really need the film to do well with precursors because he's got the narrative; all he needs is for people to see it.
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 19, 2017 19:37:28 GMT
Gary Oldman was widely predicted as the critics favorite.
The fact is - going back to 2000, only 3 actors have won without their pictures being nominated. Jeff Bridges was Hollywood royalty and with 5 nods, the sentimental favorite. Forrest Whitaker was undeniable after sweeping the critics and industry awards. And Denzel was Denzel - a big name movie star.
I'm fully aware of the stats. Oldman was predicted as a critics' favorite by those who think that there's a "follow the leader" mentality of awards bodies to anoint a winner early on. And nobody was talking about Chalamet or his film until it screened, whereas Oldman was predicted the second he was cast, when the only other major contender announced was DDL. But even so, again, Oldman's film is more of what the industry tends to go for over the likes of Chalamet's. Awards bodies historically tend to champion the smaller films and performances, but critics' tastes don't always match with the Academy's. Yes, there is a chance Chalamet spoils for the win, and he's done quite well to get as far as he has, but he's got far more of an uphill climb than Oldman does. I think for Chalamet to win, he'd have to take at least SAG. But that's the guild that is made up of people who regard Gary Oldman as an acting god, in a role that is absolute catnip for them, and unlike the rest of Hollywood, actors haven't really turned their back on him. I'd be much more keen on Chalamet's chances if SAG had nominated any of his co-stars or the film itself in Ensemble. Oldman doesn't really need the film to do well with precursors because he's got the narrative; all he needs is for people to see it. Oldman has always been the kind of actor who would be more a critics favorite - than Hollywood. Even with SAG, this his only his 2nd nod. And he's only had 1 Oscar nod in an almost 40 year career.
With Oscar, for a Hollywood outsider like Oldman, he's going to need more than just rely on acting ability. It would definitely have help his odds if he had dominated the pre-cusors - like Defoe and Metcalf have so far. Or if The Darkest Hour was a best picture front runner.
And it doesn't hurt that Chalamet has been all over the media. He's actually very well spoken, likeable and personable - who Oscar voters may find difficult not to vote for.
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Post by stephen on Dec 19, 2017 19:45:46 GMT
Oldman has always been the kind of actor who would be more a critics favorite - than Hollywood. Even with SAG, this his only his 2nd nod. And he's only had 1 Oscar nod in an almost 40 year career.
With Oscar, for a Hollywood outsider like Oldman, he's going to need more than just rely on acting ability. It would definitely have help his odds if he had dominated the pre-cusors - like Defoe and Metcalf have so far. Or if The Darkest Hour was a best picture front runner.
And it doesn't hurt that Chalamet has been all over the media. He's actually very well spoken, likeable and personable - who Oscar voters may find difficult not to vote for.
He hasn't been lauded much in the past, it's true, but he was also more or less blackballed for over a decade after The Contender and also did a lot of films that aren't exactly awards bait. But he did get in (by the skin of his teeth, it's true) for his least Oldman-y role. I don't agree that Oldman needs his film to be a Best Picture frontrunner to win. The role is the sort of thing they'll fall over to recognize, and he's gotten nigh-universal acclaim. The critics have favored Chalamet, but Oldman's won a few mentions with them, and he's consistently been mentioned any time there are places that release nominations rather than simple wins. He hasn't been overlooked. And even so, judging where a place like Indiana or Vancouver throws their wins means nothing in the industry race. Oldman has the role, he has the acclaim, and dollars to donuts it hits big with BAFTA. Historically, the odds are in his favor as opposed to Chalamet. If controversy brews in Oldman's camp, then we might see a spoiler, but I see no reason to bail on Oldman just because he hasn't won critics' prizes. The real meat of the race is yet to come.
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 19, 2017 21:32:41 GMT
He hasn't been lauded much in the past, it's true, but he was also more or less blackballed for over a decade after The Contender and also did a lot of films that aren't exactly awards bait. But he did get in (by the skin of his teeth, it's true) for his least Oldman-y role. I don't agree that Oldman needs his film to be a Best Picture frontrunner to win. The role is the sort of thing they'll fall over to recognize, and he's gotten nigh-universal acclaim. The critics have favored Chalamet, but Oldman's won a few mentions with them, and he's consistently been mentioned any time there are places that release nominations rather than simple wins. He hasn't been overlooked. And even so, judging where a place like Indiana or Vancouver throws their wins means nothing in the industry race. Oldman has the role, he has the acclaim, and dollars to donuts it hits big with BAFTA. Historically, the odds are in his favor as opposed to Chalamet. If controversy brews in Oldman's camp, then we might see a spoiler, but I see no reason to bail on Oldman just because he hasn't won critics' prizes. The real meat of the race is yet to come. I don't think Chalamet winning would be a spoiler. He's a serious contender.
Michael Keaton, who was in a Best Picture winner and a critics favorite, lost the Oscar because of his unpopularity in Hollywood - for slamming the industry.
Oldman is even more unpopular - in an industry whom he had accused of being "a town run by Jews" and was called out by the ADL for. He slammed the Golden Globes as "meaningless", called for a boycott, and labelled members of the HFPA as self-indulgent "nobodies".
Reports had it the reason why Oldman was blackballed for a over a decade was because he was unhappy with the final cut of The Contender - whom he claimed DreamWorks had edited to reflect pro-Democratic leanings, stirring controversy.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 20, 2017 1:49:18 GMT
I'd say Chamalet. The Oscar sometimes surprise and Oldman has not been the apparent winner like we all assumed from the beginning. I think / hope we're for in a big surprise come February anyway.
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Post by finniussnrub on Dec 20, 2017 2:14:52 GMT
I think too many are making too much of the critic prizes, the same way they were for Emma Stone last year. Oldman even has gotten a handful of wins still, but he was always going to be a televised player.
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Post by jimmalone on Dec 20, 2017 10:41:08 GMT
It's true as many state that critics prizes are something different than the "big" televised awards. It often has been true that they went for different performances. But on the other hand Oldman has never been a darling of the Oscars and seems not exactly loved by his peers. So right now I'd lean towards Chalamet.
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Post by bob-coppola on Dec 20, 2017 12:18:01 GMT
It's so funny, two months ago it was a sure bet Oldman would win the Oscar. He still can, but I don't think it'll be that easy. Even thought he's overdue, I don't think people are buying this narrative. There's just not that much passion behind Darkest Hour, and on the other hand, Chamalet, Franco and even DDL have very passionate supporters. I can easily see one of those stealing Oldman's thunder, specially if the trend of Darkest Hour underwhelming continues.
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Post by Zeb31 on Dec 20, 2017 13:37:04 GMT
Much like Stone and Redmayne, who we also doubted at this point in the race after the first regional grups started handing out their prizes, Oldman was never poised to be a critical sweeper. The SAG underperformance of Call Me by Your Name might prove more telling than we suspect.
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Post by akittystang on Dec 21, 2017 4:20:24 GMT
Gary Oldman and The Darkest Hour have been under performing with the critics. It will be difficult for Oldman to win if the film isn't nominated for Best Picture. Without it, he isn't popular enough in Hollywood. Oldman isn't Meryl.
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Post by akittystang on Dec 22, 2017 2:15:43 GMT
I hope not. Chalamet deserves the Oscar for that final shot alone.
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Post by Weaver Addict on Dec 24, 2017 13:01:23 GMT
I don't think Chalamet winning would be a spoiler. He's a serious contender.
Michael Keaton, who was in a Best Picture winner and a critics favorite, lost the Oscar because of his unpopularity in Hollywood - for slamming the industry.
Oldman is even more unpopular - in an industry whom he had accused of being "a town run by Jews" and was called out by the ADL for. He slammed the Golden Globes as "meaningless", called for a boycott, and labelled members of the HFPA as self-indulgent "nobodies".
Reports had it the reason why Oldman was blackballed for a over a decade was because he was unhappy with the final cut of The Contender - whom he claimed DreamWorks had edited to reflect pro-Democratic leanings, stirring controversy.
I was wondering what all the hubbub was over Oldman's past in Hollywood so thanks for posting this.
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