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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 1, 2017 22:44:09 GMT
Is that the consensus Best Actess prediction? If not who do you have replacing who?
I've been thinking... I can see scenarios where any of these women could win. Very interesting race.
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Post by FrancescoAbides on Dec 1, 2017 22:57:20 GMT
It's a really tough race indeed, anyone could be a winner. But if that is not the consensus I could see Hawkins being replaced by Vicky Krieps if The Shape of Water loses steam and Phantom Thread gains momentum
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 1, 2017 23:14:10 GMT
I think she is in the 6 or 7 spot but I'm not currently predicting her.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 2, 2017 0:20:04 GMT
Yep, that looks about right.
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Post by Zeb31 on Dec 2, 2017 0:53:56 GMT
Yeah, that's the consensus top 5 right now, it seems. I'd rank them:
1. Streep 2. McDormand 3. Robbie 4. Ronan
5. Hawkins
6. Chastain 7. Krieps 8. Dench
The first four are rock solid, with Streep, McDormand and Robbie all making tremendous sense as winners.
Hawkins is the one I'd say is shakiest right now. Like I've said elsewhere, The Shape of Water hasn't really connected with awards groups so far and she's really been MIA on the campaign trail, which means she's not getting the type of exposure she'd need to really solidify herself in the race. It's looking likelier and likelier to me that she could be this year's Adams provided that we get a viable alternative to bump her out.
Chastain will probably lack the necessary #1 support to make the cut, but she's been everywhere the whole season and she has the raves to back herself up. With a better studio, I'd be more confident in her chances, but even as it is, she has a shot, however slim.
Krieps is rumored to be extraordinary, though, so she could potentially be the late-season arthouse party crasher that knocks Hawkins out à la Cotillard. I'll keep her at #7 for now while we see how Phantom Thread's awards trajectory develops.
And Dench is Dench, so I'm not counting her out entirely, but Victoria & Abdul just doesn't seem like it'll get the kind of passion she'd need to make it in such a competitive field. I know she'll have supporters, but if I'm being honest I struggle to see a realistic scenario where she leapfrogs ahead of all these juicier alternatives for a September release with tepid reviews.
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Post by quetee on Dec 2, 2017 3:17:25 GMT
Pretty much but I wanna say swap Streep for girl in phantom thread.
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Post by stephen on Dec 2, 2017 3:28:49 GMT
Pretty much but I wanna say swap Streep for girl in phantom thread. From your lips to God's ears. But I'd say Hawkins is most at risk for being bumped, and I do think Krieps is a bigger threat than a lot of people think.
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Post by morton on Dec 2, 2017 3:39:03 GMT
Zeb31 said it all again. These are definitely the consensus 5 right now, but I expect one of them to be knocked out since there's usually some surprises on nomination morning. I guess 2015 was pretty predictable, but in the past few years, we've had at least one person hit everything and then miss the Oscar nomination. I think odds are pretty good that it happens again this year just because unlike 2015 which didn't really have a lot of other options that could have snuck in, there's three solid choices that could sneak in and surprise.
I think that Hawkins is the most vulnerable too just because The Shape of Water so far has underwhelmed this awards season from being labeled an early frontrunner that many thought would win the People's Choice Award at TIFF. I, Tonya has at least shown up at the Gothams and Independent Spirit Awards, so it's still doing fine. It would have been nice for Robbie or Janney or the film to get some kind of mention at NBR or NYFCC, but they're still in good shape. While I'm sort of flip flopping, like I usually do lol, about Best Supporting Actress, a lot of people are confident that Janney will steamroll the televised awards so I don't think critics' awards matter in her case. With Robbie, I think that being the newbie helps a lot as we saw last year with Ruth Negga, and she's a rising star. I thought she might be able to win because of her being the latest "it" girl, but I reached too far with that one. Although I think that stephen and maybe you were right that she'll probably win on her second nomination like Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone. I think that I, Tonya unfortunately just isn't strong enough compared to most everyone else's film. However, I think that the nomination will be seen as her reward, and I think that I, Tonya should do well at the box office and that will help it during awards season.
I don't know about The Shape of Water. I know Fox Searchlight has it set up to get the biggest per screen average of the year by only releasing it in two theaters this week, but after that, I don't know. It's all anecdotal evidence, but at some places like Reddit, I see some people who can't wait for it, and then at other sites, I see a lot of people say that when they go to the theater, it's like crickets whenever the trailer has played because people aren't interested in it or that their friends have no interest in seeing it. So I could see it going either way. Sally Hawkins isn't exactly a big draw, but Guillermo del Toro has a fanbase. Plus, the good reviews probably should help; although, Stronger, Battle of the Sexes, Blade Runner 2049, Novitiate, mother!, etc., all had decent to great reviews but still bombed. Then, the next week I, Tonya and The Disaster Artist both open too, and again anecdotally, I've seen a lot more interest for both of those films especially The Disaster Artist.
Further, with Hawkins, she already received a "welcome to the club" nomination just a few years ago, and while I'm sure she's very respected, I don't know if that's enough when she's up against Chastain, Dench, McDormand, and Streep who are probably more respected. (Okay, it might be close with Chastain, but Chastain has a lot of hustle, and is constantly working which will hopefully pay off for her again.) Then, you have Ronan who will be on her third nomination at just 23, and Robbie who has the surprise factor. Of course, there's the genre factor too.
Who knows maybe it will be McDormand that actually gets knocked out since she would fit the previous winner model that gets bumped (Cotillard, Mirren, Swinton), but that seems unlikely since I think there's a path there for her to win.
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