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Post by JangoB on Dec 1, 2017 13:45:36 GMT
1. Dunkirk
2. Get Out
3. Call Me By Your Name
4. Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri
5. The Post
6. Lady Bird
7. The Shape of Water
8. Detroit
9. A Ghost Story
10. Darkest Hour
Always good for Oscar predictions.
Also, funnily enough:
His rating for Dunkirk - 4/4
Get Out - 3.5/4
Call Me By Your Name - 4/4
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri - 4/4
Now, I'm no fan of conspiracy therories but it really does seem that pundits and critics are actively pushing the Get Out narrative even if they didn't adore it as much when it came out. Sure, opinions change, but I dunno, I get a slight feeling of dishonesty here. It's like their feel obligated to push Get Out higher than they might've, for obvious reasons. But hey, I'm biased against the movie so perhaps that clouds my judgment. But it's still suspicious. Especially with magazines like Empire publishing their Top 10 and having Get Out as #1 there despite them giving it a lower rating than some other films have received.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 1, 2017 15:27:39 GMT
Get Out is a movie that benefits from rewatches and further picking apart what Peele was going for, so it doing better on year-end lists than it would have with a direct translation of initial reviews doesn't really surprise me.
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Post by stephen on Dec 1, 2017 15:44:42 GMT
This is why I don't rate films anymore. Trying to parse one's thoughts on a film in a star/letter/numerical grading just feels antithetical to what art is supposed to do: to either grow or diminish in one's mind over time, to change and be shaped by rumination or rewatch. And like Mike says, Get Out is certainly a movie that benefits from rewatch and dissection, and it's had a lot more time to grow in Travers's mind than the other films he's listed.
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Post by DanQuixote on Dec 1, 2017 17:13:14 GMT
Yeah, you're reaching because of your bias lol.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Dec 1, 2017 17:26:45 GMT
This is why I don't rate films anymore. Trying to parse one's thoughts on a film in a star/letter/numerical grading just feels antithetical to what art is supposed to do: to either grow or diminish in one's mind over time, to change and be shaped by rumination or rewatch. And like Mike says, Get Out is certainly a movie that benefits from rewatch and dissection, and it's had a lot more time to grow in Travers's mind than the other films he's listed. I get the idea, but I don't mind rating films. It's still fluid and shouldn't be meant as an definitive rating - just a rating based on what you thought at the time. So I don't blame Travers at all if he came to appreciate Get Out more after 9 months. |
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Post by stephen on Dec 1, 2017 17:29:12 GMT
Yeah, you're reaching because of your bias lol. To be entirely fair to Jango, bias plays into everything, and for a film that deals with the heavy social themes that Get Out does in this particular political/social climate, championing it as hard as people have been doing does seem to be based on more than simply the film's quality. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, and I certainly wouldn't phrase it as a "conspiracy," because it's doing exactly what Peele intended to do: provoke an outcry and make people reassess their place in society and the privilege that comes with it. Art reflects the era, and as good a film as Get Out is, to think that a psychological horror/thriller/satire released at the start of the year is becoming more and more of a threat to win major awards at season's end is purely based on its quality is naive. Awards seasons are, at their heart, political in nature. It's just that this time, it happens to be a smart, strongly composed film getting recognized. |
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Post by JangoB on Dec 1, 2017 17:34:29 GMT
Yeah, you're reaching because of your bias lol. Yeah, I know  Again, usually I kinda hate this type of conspiracy theories. I guess it just hasn't happened in a while that a movie that I thought was thoroughly mediocre was so widely praised by everyone around. Gotta learn to accept that! |
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Post by no on Dec 1, 2017 18:03:44 GMT
Now, I'm no fan of conspiracy theories but it really does seem that pundits and critics are actively pushing the Get Out narrative even if they didn't adore it as much when it came out. Sure, opinions change, but I dunno, I get a slight feeling of dishonesty here. It's like their feel obligated to push Get Out higher than they might've, for obvious reasons. But hey, I'm biased against the movie so perhaps that clouds my judgment. But it's still suspicious. Especially with magazines like Empire publishing their Top 10 and having Get Out as #1 there despite them giving it a lower rating than some other films have received. Don't conspiracies require an orchestrated crime to take place? And no offense, but it just seems like you don't want the African American movie to garner further acclaim. |
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Post by jimmalone on Dec 1, 2017 18:06:50 GMT
This is why I don't rate films anymore. Trying to parse one's thoughts on a film in a star/letter/numerical grading just feels antithetical to what art is supposed to do: to either grow or diminish in one's mind over time, to change and be shaped by rumination or rewatch. And like Mike says, Get Out is certainly a movie that benefits from rewatch and dissection, and it's had a lot more time to grow in Travers's mind than the other films he's listed. Funnily this happens to me as well in the last months. I still rate films, but it's more a roughly rating, nothing definitive. |
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Post by JangoB on Dec 1, 2017 18:08:46 GMT
Now, I'm no fan of conspiracy theories but it really does seem that pundits and critics are actively pushing the Get Out narrative even if they didn't adore it as much when it came out. Sure, opinions change, but I dunno, I get a slight feeling of dishonesty here. It's like their feel obligated to push Get Out higher than they might've, for obvious reasons. But hey, I'm biased against the movie so perhaps that clouds my judgment. But it's still suspicious. Especially with magazines like Empire publishing their Top 10 and having Get Out as #1 there despite them giving it a lower rating than some other films have received. Don't conspiracies require an orchestrated crime to take place? And no offense, but it just seems like you don't want the African American movie to garner further acclaim. Don't take my words too seriously. And no, I'm just not a fan of this particular film getting so much acclaim, I don't really care if it's African American or Eastern European. |
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Post by stephen on Dec 1, 2017 18:10:11 GMT
This is why I don't rate films anymore. Trying to parse one's thoughts on a film in a star/letter/numerical grading just feels antithetical to what art is supposed to do: to either grow or diminish in one's mind over time, to change and be shaped by rumination or rewatch. And like Mike says, Get Out is certainly a movie that benefits from rewatch and dissection, and it's had a lot more time to grow in Travers's mind than the other films he's listed. Funnily this happens to me as well in the last months. I still rate films, but it's more a roughly rating, nothing definitive. I find it easier when compiling my lineups and wins for the year to just put together a longlist of performances/films I really liked, adding new ones to the list after I see them but not in any particular order, and then at the end of the year, look them over and see which stand out the most, because a crucial and underrated element to judging the quality of a film/performance is its staying power. |
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Post by no on Dec 1, 2017 18:11:18 GMT
Don't conspiracies require an orchestrated crime to take place? And no offense, but it just seems like you don't want the African American movie to garner further acclaim. Don't take my words too seriously. And no, I'm just not a fan of this particular film getting so much acclaim, I don't really care if it's African American or Eastern European. I have seen a shift in a misuse of the term "conspiracy" to the point it seems to take on a different meaning just by common misuse. As for the second part of my post, don't take my words too seriously either. |
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Post by jimmalone on Dec 1, 2017 18:15:18 GMT
Funnily this happens to me as well in the last months. I still rate films, but it's more a roughly rating, nothing definitive. I find it easier when compiling my lineups and wins for the year to just put together a longlist of performances/films I really liked, adding new ones to the list after I see them but not in any particular order, and then at the end of the year, look them over and see which stand out the most, because a crucial and underrated element to judging the quality of a film/performance is its staying power. This is definitely true. But I'm not only talking about new movies, but "classic movies" I see for the first time as well. But yeah, for new movies, it happened sometimes to me, that I rated a movie 8.5/10 and another one 9/10 and at the end of the year I just suddenly thought while looking back at them, that I found the 8.5/10 now the better one. Not to talk about looking back at them with even more time. |
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Post by stephen on Dec 1, 2017 18:18:29 GMT
I find it easier when compiling my lineups and wins for the year to just put together a longlist of performances/films I really liked, adding new ones to the list after I see them but not in any particular order, and then at the end of the year, look them over and see which stand out the most, because a crucial and underrated element to judging the quality of a film/performance is its staying power. This is definitely true. But I'm not only talking about new movies, but "classic movies" I see for the first time as well. But yeah, for new movies, it happened sometimes to me, that I rated a movie 8.5/10 and another one 9/10 and at the end of the year I just suddenly thought while looking back at them, that I found the 8.5/10 now the better one. Not to talk about looking back at them with even more time. Indeed. I stopped doing immediate ratings after 12 Years a Slave, where I'd bought into the hype and narrative before seeing it and when I did see it, I tried to drown out my personal issues with it by raving about what did work about it . . . but after a couple of weeks, I realized that I wasn't being true to how I really thought about it because I was afraid of being the lone dissenter on an "important" film. And it wasn't too long after that when I stopped writing reviews (save for the odd one here and there). |
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 1, 2017 18:40:35 GMT
This is why I don't rate films anymore. Trying to parse one's thoughts on a film in a star/letter/numerical grading just feels antithetical to what art is supposed to do: to either grow or diminish in one's mind over time, to change and be shaped by rumination or rewatch. And like Mike says, Get Out is certainly a movie that benefits from rewatch and dissection, and it's had a lot more time to grow in Travers's mind than the other films he's listed. I've had this happen this year, in fact. My current favorite of the year is something that I would have given 7/10 to immediately after watching it. I knew right then that it was something that required a lot of chewing to actually decide what I truly thought of it, and over two months later I still can't get it out of my head. I've read reviews, essays, had discussions about it, picked apart its problems and praised its virtues to the heavens, studied its symbolism and soonish I'm planning on reading Paradise Lost and The Nutcracker & the Mouse King so I can see what influence those had on the movie outside of symbolism, and I'm still not sure how much I like it. But it has gotten more of a reaction from me with time, and I can't let it go. I'm not against ratings, but I don't put stock into whether an 8/10 is better than a 9/10 -- I use them more as a basic measuring tool to sort whether I liked or didn't like a film. Just a tool, nothing more. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 1, 2017 21:19:19 GMT
So this means The Post is either 3.5 or 4 stars. Since its between Three Billboards and Lady Bird
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 1, 2017 21:35:12 GMT
boring list No Logan?  hell, why do I care? I'm not Icetruckdexter Honestly I read the post before the name and thought you were |
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