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Post by DaleCooper on Aug 11, 2023 10:07:28 GMT
So, this apparently happened
So it seems Avatar should be fine for at least a third installment. Kidding aside, it's actually incredible how well The Way of Water has done considering how much talk there were about the first one not having any cultural impact.
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Post by finniussnrub on Aug 13, 2023 1:50:06 GMT
So, this apparently happened So it seems Avatar should be fine for at least a third installment. Kidding aside, it's actually incredible how well The Way of Water has done considering how much talk there were about the first one not having any cultural impact.This is coming from a biased account as I'm apparently one of the few whose brain doesn't run on the frequency that allows Cameron to brainwash the masses into loving smurfs save the environment movies. BUT I think you'll hear the same thing again, as any discussion over the film has been pretty muted among "normies" I've spoken to about the film, and just in terms of hearing random movie discussions among average non cinephiles I don't hear the film ever discussed or just mentioned. And you don't really hear Avatar discussed through the means of great or at least memorable characters, I imagine if you quizzed many who saw Avatar 2 twice, they'd have a hard time naming a single Sully kid, or perhaps even what the general plot of the film was. But none of that matters, clearly Cameron hits some nerve on the majority of the filmgoing population (with a few exceptions), even if the film strangely doesn't leave a mark in the same way most successful do. Because people who love Marvel movies could name all those characters, the word family has become connected with The Fast and the Furious, Star Wars characters always have some kind of cultural impact, Top Gun boosted Air Force recruitment, children will incessantly sing the songs from Frozen etc. But with Avatar there is a lot less of any of that, and that seems to be the case with 2 again. BUT, whatever Cameron does specifically with this franchise works on some wavelength, and I'm sure Avatar 3 will also be a big success....although it also helps that Cameron always releases his films in December when there is little to no major blockbuster competition for weeks...I mean it's not rocket science guys.
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Post by stephen on Aug 13, 2023 2:03:55 GMT
So, this apparently happened So it seems Avatar should be fine for at least a third installment. Kidding aside, it's actually incredible how well The Way of Water has done considering how much talk there were about the first one not having any cultural impact.This is coming from a biased account as I'm apparently one of the few whose brain doesn't run on the frequency that allows Cameron to brainwash the masses into loving smurfs save the environment movies. BUT I think you'll hear the same thing again, as any discussion over the film has been pretty muted among "normies" I've spoken to about the film, and just in terms of hearing random movie discussions among average non cinephiles I don't hear the film ever discussed or just mentioned. And you don't really hear Avatar discussed through the means of great or at least memorable characters, I imagine if you quizzed many who saw Avatar 2 twice, they'd have a hard time naming a single Sully kid, or perhaps even what the general plot of the film was. But none of that matters, clearly Cameron hits some nerve on the majority of the filmgoing population (with a few exceptions), even if the film strangely doesn't leave a mark in the same way most successful do. Because people who love Marvel movies could name all those characters, the word family has become connected with The Fast and the Furious, Star Wars characters always have some kind of cultural impact, Top Gun boosted Air Force recruitment, children will incessantly sing the songs from Frozen etc. But with Avatar there is a lot less of any of that, and that seems to be the case with 2 again. BUT, whatever Cameron does specifically with this franchise works on some wavelength, and I'm sure Avatar 3 will also be a big success....although it also helps that Cameron always releases his films in December when there is little to no major blockbuster competition for weeks...I mean it's not rocket science guys. As someone who thoroughly hates the first film but actually found the second one surprisingly good, I think it's true that it doesn't necessarily have the cultural iconography of other major blockbusters aside from the obvious aesthetic designs of its characters, but Cameron's name brings along with it the sense of wonder and "event." I also think the fact that he's had these films in the works for so long but didn't churn them out so quickly as to burn audiences out on them has been a major boon for him; if only Marvel had taken a hiatus after Endgame and allowed the hunger for more to build and build before delivering the next course. Do I wish Cameron would leave Pandora behind? Of course, because I find the Avatar universe to be largely uninteresting. But the second one did make me interested in seeing the third film, which I most definitely did not expect.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Aug 13, 2023 2:08:15 GMT
This is coming from a biased account as I'm apparently one of the few whose brain doesn't run on the frequency that allows Cameron to brainwash the masses into loving smurfs save the environment movies. BUT I think you'll hear the same thing again, as any discussion over the film has been pretty muted among "normies" I've spoken to about the film, and just in terms of hearing random movie discussions among average non cinephiles I don't hear the film ever discussed or just mentioned. And you don't really hear Avatar discussed through the means of great or at least memorable characters, I imagine if you quizzed many who saw Avatar 2 twice, they'd have a hard time naming a single Sully kid, or perhaps even what the general plot of the film was. But none of that matters, clearly Cameron hits some nerve on the majority of the filmgoing population (with a few exceptions), even if the film strangely doesn't leave a mark in the same way most successful do. Because people who love Marvel movies could name all those characters, the word family has become connected with The Fast and the Furious, Star Wars characters always have some kind of cultural impact, Top Gun boosted Air Force recruitment, children will incessantly sing the songs from Frozen etc. But with Avatar there is a lot less of any of that, and that seems to be the case with 2 again. BUT, whatever Cameron does specifically with this franchise works on some wavelength, and I'm sure Avatar 3 will also be a big success....although it also helps that Cameron always releases his films in December when there is little to no major blockbuster competition for weeks...I mean it's not rocket science guys. Avatar has had 2 movies, they came out over a decade apart, and the fans are generally more chill than the massively annoying MCU or Star Wars crowd. I'm only hearing positive qualities in the movie's favor and sure the release date helps, just like it helped No Way Home and The Force Awakens to fall short of Avatar despite all their cultural impact. But I'm biased (meh on the first, love the second) and hoping we get some more Payakan in the future.
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Post by stephen on Aug 13, 2023 2:14:43 GMT
This is coming from a biased account as I'm apparently one of the few whose brain doesn't run on the frequency that allows Cameron to brainwash the masses into loving smurfs save the environment movies. BUT I think you'll hear the same thing again, as any discussion over the film has been pretty muted among "normies" I've spoken to about the film, and just in terms of hearing random movie discussions among average non cinephiles I don't hear the film ever discussed or just mentioned. And you don't really hear Avatar discussed through the means of great or at least memorable characters, I imagine if you quizzed many who saw Avatar 2 twice, they'd have a hard time naming a single Sully kid, or perhaps even what the general plot of the film was. But none of that matters, clearly Cameron hits some nerve on the majority of the filmgoing population (with a few exceptions), even if the film strangely doesn't leave a mark in the same way most successful do. Because people who love Marvel movies could name all those characters, the word family has become connected with The Fast and the Furious, Star Wars characters always have some kind of cultural impact, Top Gun boosted Air Force recruitment, children will incessantly sing the songs from Frozen etc. But with Avatar there is a lot less of any of that, and that seems to be the case with 2 again. BUT, whatever Cameron does specifically with this franchise works on some wavelength, and I'm sure Avatar 3 will also be a big success....although it also helps that Cameron always releases his films in December when there is little to no major blockbuster competition for weeks...I mean it's not rocket science guys. Avatar has had 2 movies, they came out over a decade apart, and the fans are generally more chill than the massively annoying MCU or Star Wars crowd. I'm only hearing positive qualities in the movie's favor and sure the release date helps, just like it helped No Way Home and The Force Awakens to fall short of Avatar despite all their cultural impact. But I'm biased (meh on the first, love the second) and hoping we get some more Payakan in the future. There is something to be said for the fact that, regardless of one's feelings on the films, they are a singular passion project from an auteur with full creative control, not some hodgepodge-by-committee franchise who squanders talent in favour of a formula.
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Post by finniussnrub on Aug 13, 2023 2:16:42 GMT
This is coming from a biased account as I'm apparently one of the few whose brain doesn't run on the frequency that allows Cameron to brainwash the masses into loving smurfs save the environment movies. BUT I think you'll hear the same thing again, as any discussion over the film has been pretty muted among "normies" I've spoken to about the film, and just in terms of hearing random movie discussions among average non cinephiles I don't hear the film ever discussed or just mentioned. And you don't really hear Avatar discussed through the means of great or at least memorable characters, I imagine if you quizzed many who saw Avatar 2 twice, they'd have a hard time naming a single Sully kid, or perhaps even what the general plot of the film was. But none of that matters, clearly Cameron hits some nerve on the majority of the filmgoing population (with a few exceptions), even if the film strangely doesn't leave a mark in the same way most successful do. Because people who love Marvel movies could name all those characters, the word family has become connected with The Fast and the Furious, Star Wars characters always have some kind of cultural impact, Top Gun boosted Air Force recruitment, children will incessantly sing the songs from Frozen etc. But with Avatar there is a lot less of any of that, and that seems to be the case with 2 again. BUT, whatever Cameron does specifically with this franchise works on some wavelength, and I'm sure Avatar 3 will also be a big success....although it also helps that Cameron always releases his films in December when there is little to no major blockbuster competition for weeks...I mean it's not rocket science guys. As someone who thoroughly hates the first film but actually found the second one surprisingly good, I think it's true that it doesn't necessarily have the cultural iconography of other major blockbusters aside from the obvious aesthetic designs of its characters, but Cameron's name brings along with it the sense of wonder and "event." I also think the fact that he's had these films in the works for so long but didn't churn them out so quickly as to burn audiences out on them has been a major boon for him; if only Marvel had taken a hiatus after Endgame and allowed the hunger for more to build and build before delivering the next course.They also probably should've remembered that more does not mean more success, and that quality control becomes quite difficult when quantity increases. As they went from three projects per year, to 8 in 2021 and 6 in 2022. They also seemed to not know that if you're going to make TV shows as part of your expanded universe they should actually be...you know...good? Rather than middling to bad fair that dilutes the brand and diminishes interest in the whole endeavor.
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Post by michael128 on Aug 13, 2023 2:24:14 GMT
So, this apparently happened So it seems Avatar should be fine for at least a third installment. Kidding aside, it's actually incredible how well The Way of Water has done considering how much talk there were about the first one not having any cultural impact.This is coming from a biased account as I'm apparently one of the few whose brain doesn't run on the frequency that allows Cameron to brainwash the masses into loving smurfs save the environment movies. BUT I think you'll hear the same thing again, as any discussion over the film has been pretty muted among "normies" I've spoken to about the film, and just in terms of hearing random movie discussions among average non cinephiles I don't hear the film ever discussed or just mentioned. And you don't really hear Avatar discussed through the means of great or at least memorable characters, I imagine if you quizzed many who saw Avatar 2 twice, they'd have a hard time naming a single Sully kid, or perhaps even what the general plot of the film was. But none of that matters, clearly Cameron hits some nerve on the majority of the filmgoing population (with a few exceptions), even if the film strangely doesn't leave a mark in the same way most successful do. Because people who love Marvel movies could name all those characters, the word family has become connected with The Fast and the Furious, Star Wars characters always have some kind of cultural impact, Top Gun boosted Air Force recruitment, children will incessantly sing the songs from Frozen etc. But with Avatar there is a lot less of any of that, and that seems to be the case with 2 again. BUT, whatever Cameron does specifically with this franchise works on some wavelength, and I'm sure Avatar 3 will also be a big success....although it also helps that Cameron always releases his films in December when there is little to no major blockbuster competition for weeks...I mean it's not rocket science guys. There's not less of that let alone "a lot less". You just don't run in a diverse circle.
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Post by finniussnrub on Aug 13, 2023 2:27:23 GMT
This is coming from a biased account as I'm apparently one of the few whose brain doesn't run on the frequency that allows Cameron to brainwash the masses into loving smurfs save the environment movies. BUT I think you'll hear the same thing again, as any discussion over the film has been pretty muted among "normies" I've spoken to about the film, and just in terms of hearing random movie discussions among average non cinephiles I don't hear the film ever discussed or just mentioned. And you don't really hear Avatar discussed through the means of great or at least memorable characters, I imagine if you quizzed many who saw Avatar 2 twice, they'd have a hard time naming a single Sully kid, or perhaps even what the general plot of the film was. But none of that matters, clearly Cameron hits some nerve on the majority of the filmgoing population (with a few exceptions), even if the film strangely doesn't leave a mark in the same way most successful do. Because people who love Marvel movies could name all those characters, the word family has become connected with The Fast and the Furious, Star Wars characters always have some kind of cultural impact, Top Gun boosted Air Force recruitment, children will incessantly sing the songs from Frozen etc. But with Avatar there is a lot less of any of that, and that seems to be the case with 2 again. BUT, whatever Cameron does specifically with this franchise works on some wavelength, and I'm sure Avatar 3 will also be a big success....although it also helps that Cameron always releases his films in December when there is little to no major blockbuster competition for weeks...I mean it's not rocket science guys. There's not less of that let alone "a lot less". You just don't run in a diverse circle. Well you have no idea what circles I run in, but any such discussion isn't worthy of argument because it will be anecdotal no matter what. Maybe we can all count how many avatar 2 Halloween costumes we see on Halloween for some actual data.
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Post by Pavan on Aug 13, 2023 6:27:55 GMT
"Cultural impact" doesn't matter in Avatar's case. People know their ticket money's gonna be worth when there's a new Cameron film drops. He is taking us to these otherworldly spectacles designed and delivered with utmost care. How many filmmakers are doing that? a handful perhaps. As long as Cameron delivers on the spectacle part served with a decent story, his films will mint money.
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