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Post by Allenism on Aug 29, 2017 12:58:18 GMT
Looks? Talent? Persona?
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Post by thomasjerome on Aug 29, 2017 13:10:13 GMT
Looks: I used to have a crush on them both but I say Winona.
Acting: Ryder has showed more range as an actress and has impressed me more.
Persona: Well, Winona again because in interviews, Connelly can be really boring.
Both actresses deserve to be in better films though. At least Winona has "Stranger Things".
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Post by Allenism on Aug 29, 2017 13:39:17 GMT
Connelly might be more attractive, but I don't think she holds a candle to Winona in the other two areas you named. It's hard to match that volume of work Ryder had in that short span of time - that type of essential output in the 90s is what you'd get from the Bergmans and Hepburns. I know the 00s was her decline, and the Saks Fifth incident was her most interesting work during that period. Personally, she's more like a favorite. I think she's in my top ten Different strokes, but I don't think Winona is that much of an actress and I started out as a huge fan of hers. She was the perfect vessel for that pared-down, anti-glamor ethos of the 90s, and certainly turned in some laudable performances throughout her career ( Mermaids, Reality Bites, Girl, Interrupted), but overall there's just something thin and self-conscious about her acting. Not saying that Jennifer is Isabelle Huppert or anything, and she does admittedly lack range (she also doesn't have Noni's comedic flair), but her best output quite easily eclipses the former's, IMO. I can't see Winona delivering the kind of intense, visceral yet expertly nuanced performances that Jennifer gave in Requiem for a Dream and House of Sand and Fog. And I know opportunities have been scant for her post-scandal, but I also don't feel like Winona has really developed as an actress over time. Stranger Things really encapsulates her shrillest tendencies as a performer, even if has a couple of poignant moments in it.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 29, 2017 13:54:09 GMT
Connelly might be more attractive, but I don't think she holds a candle to Winona in the other two areas you named. It's hard to match that volume of work Ryder had in that short span of time - that type of essential output in the 90s is what you'd get from the Bergmans and Hepburns. I know the 00s was her decline, and the Saks Fifth incident was her most interesting work during that period. Personally, she's more like a favorite. I think she's in my top ten Different strokes, but I don't think Winona is that much of an actress and I started out as a huge fan of hers. She was the perfect vessel for that pared-down, anti-glamor ethos of the 90s, and certainly turned in some laudable performances throughout her career ( Mermaids, Reality Bites, Girl, Interrupted), but overall there's just something thin and self-conscious about her acting. Not saying that Jennifer is Isabelle Huppert or anything, and she does admittedly lack range (she also doesn't have Noni's comedic flair), but her best output quite easily eclipses the former's, IMO. I can't see Winona delivering the kind of intense, visceral yet expertly nuanced performances that Jennifer gave in Requiem for a Dream and House of Sand and Fog. And I know opportunities have been scant for her post-scandal, but I also don't feel like Winona has really developed as an actress over time. Stranger Things really encapsulates her shrillest tendencies as a performer, even if has a couple of poignant moments in it. I don't think Ryder is Huppert either. I also think the type of movies they do is different, Ryder often gets thought of as less serious and fairly vanilla by some people. Personally though, I don't really think like that. And I certainly don't think Connelly's inherent intensity gives her more brownie points, or is there something that great about it. I disagree about Connelly's best easily beating Ryder's best. I find Con pretty one-note even at her best, that emo look she has transpires onto her work, and that's the main note I see. I'm not a hater or anything, but I'm just leveling the field. I appreciate your explanatory effort very much. Let's say I do agree with you that Ryder isn't all that, i still think one thing she has to her credit is volume of work. There's like 7-8 performances she's done I think is at the level of at least an Oscar nomination. So taking that into consideration is where my opinion largely comes from. And tbh, I don't feel she's developed either - or was that ever her trajectory. She's always been in very big hits at the time though. But she also did lose her charm with the times.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 29, 2017 16:44:55 GMT
LOOKS : Both gorgeous but I'd say Winona's face , Jennifer's circa 80's/90's body but Winona overall
TALENT : Jennifer is a very good dramatic actress but Winona is more versatile : drama , dark comedy , horror ,... so once again Winona
PERSONA : Winona for sure ! She's so lively and quircky.Jennifer seems like a nice lady but she's a little bit too bland for my taste.
Yup , I like you Jenny girl but it's Noni x 3
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Post by speeders on Aug 29, 2017 22:33:04 GMT
Connelly for all. The results so far are sickening.
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Post by Allenism on Aug 29, 2017 23:06:04 GMT
Connelly for all. The results so far are sickening.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:51:01 GMT
Connelly may be the more natural performer, but for me, there is nothing interesting or exciting about her. Ryder would certainly have benefited from some classical training (she is legitimately awful in 'The Crucible'...), but she is absolutely the more watchable and charismatic of the two.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 19:09:26 GMT
Winona for all. Jennifer has always left me cold.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 30, 2017 19:14:18 GMT
Connelly may be the more natural performer, but for me, there is nothing interesting or exciting about her. Ryder would certainly have benefited from some classical training (she is legitimately awful in 'The Crucible'...), but she is absolutely the more watchable and charismatic of the two. Yup , Winona is more exciting to watch to watch for sure.
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Post by morton on Aug 30, 2017 19:22:03 GMT
Connelly may be the more natural performer, but for me, there is nothing interesting or exciting about her. Ryder would certainly have benefited from some classical training (she is legitimately awful in 'The Crucible'...), but she is absolutely the more watchable and charismatic of the two. Yes, Ryder has certainly hit some lows, but for me I agree that she's also the more watchable and charismatic of the two, even though it doesn't seem like she's grown that much as an actress since she her peak in the early-mid '90s. Connelly certainly has talent, but she just seems so one note and joyless in most of her performances, imo.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Aug 30, 2017 19:42:48 GMT
Oh honey, I love Noni! She taught me everything I need to know about shopping...
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 30, 2017 19:49:07 GMT
Oh honey, I love Noni! She taught me everything I need to know about shopping...
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Sept 2, 2017 7:16:21 GMT
Well, for talent, I have to put aside all nostalgia, and the fact that I grew up watching Winona Ryder in so many films that are close to my heart. Jennifer Connelly is just the better actress to me, so she wins on that. I think both are extremely beautiful, but Connelly for looks. Persona? Well, I guess Ryder has a more defined screen persona because of Heathers and Lydia from Beetlejuice, so she'd be the more obvious choice for that. I'm not someone who complains about Connelly being too serious though.
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Post by Allenism on Sept 2, 2017 13:13:40 GMT
Well, for talent, I have to put aside all nostalgia, and the fact that I grew up watching Winona Ryder in so many films that are close to my heart. Jennifer Connelly is just the better actress to me, so she wins on that. I think both are extremely beautiful, but Connelly for looks. Persona? Well, I guess Ryder has a more defined screen persona because of Heathers and Lydia from Beetlejuice, so she'd be the more obvious choice for that. I'm not someone who complains about Connelly being too serious though. Carrie, did you know that Jennifer was up for Winona's role in Heathers? I think it worked out for the best seeing how that's one of Noni's signature performances. I doubt that Jennifer would've had the proper comedic timing.
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Post by taranofprydain on Sept 3, 2017 0:37:12 GMT
Jennifer Winona Winona
So, Winona
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 5, 2017 18:44:12 GMT
Jen was great in A Beuatiful Mind but she hasn't really impressed me in anything else, whereas Winona has several terrific performances under her belt (Little Women, Heathers, Girl Interrupted, The Age of Innocence) and only one dud (The Crucible) that I've seen. It's Winona.
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Post by ibbi on Sept 5, 2017 22:16:43 GMT
I shouldn't really answer as a giant fanboy of one, but what the hell.
Persona - JenCon is obviously not quite as wet for death as her on screen persona so often suggests given she married Paul Bettany, but Winona is/was an icon.
Talent - I mean I could go either way on it, but after her Oscar JenCon turned into one of the most boringly samey actresses around with barely a trace of light in sight. Winona has had some pretty gigantic off days, but the variety of her on days is epic.
Looks - Gorgeous as Winona was she can't really compete with a young JenCon. As Jen wasted away to the bone I'd say Winona outlasted her.
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Post by Allenism on Sept 6, 2017 0:09:42 GMT
Jen was great in A Beuatiful Mind but she hasn't really impressed me in anything else, whereas Winona has several terrific performances under her belt (Little Women, Heathers, Girl Interrupted, The Age of Innocence) and only one dud (The Crucible) that I've seen. It's Winona. Winona has had several dud performances, most recently in Stranger Things. Like I mentioned before, her lows are noticeably lower than Connelly's. She just doesn't know how to go big without hitting a bunch of false notes, IMO.
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Post by Allenism on Sept 6, 2017 0:15:30 GMT
I shouldn't really answer as a giant fanboy of one, but what the hell. Persona - JenCon is obviously not quite as wet for death as her on screen persona so often suggests given she married Paul Bettany, but Winona is/was an icon. Talent - I mean I could go either way on it, but after her Oscar JenCon turned into one of the most boringly samey actresses around with barely a trace of light in sight. Winona has had some pretty gigantic off days, but the variety of her on days is epic. Looks - Gorgeous as Winona was she can't really compete with a young JenCon. As Jen wasted away to the bone I'd say Winona outlasted her. Winona's looks have definitely held on longer, save for the seriously disconcerting crazy-eyes. She has/(had) one of those faces that looked plain in one instance but pristinely beautiful in another. In that regard she's reminiscent of Olivia de Havilland.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Sept 6, 2017 5:05:13 GMT
Well, for talent, I have to put aside all nostalgia, and the fact that I grew up watching Winona Ryder in so many films that are close to my heart. Jennifer Connelly is just the better actress to me, so she wins on that. I think both are extremely beautiful, but Connelly for looks. Persona? Well, I guess Ryder has a more defined screen persona because of Heathers and Lydia from Beetlejuice, so she'd be the more obvious choice for that. I'm not someone who complains about Connelly being too serious though. Carrie, did you know that Jennifer was up for Winona's role in Heathers? I think it worked out for the best seeing how that's one of Noni's signature performances. I doubt that Jennifer would've had the proper comedic timing. I did know that. And apparently Winona used to make jokes about that since Connelly was not taken seriously at the time as an actress.
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Post by wendy on Sept 11, 2017 20:43:35 GMT
I shouldn't really answer as a giant fanboy of one, but what the hell. Persona - JenCon is obviously not quite as wet for death as her on screen persona so often suggests given she married Paul Bettany, but Winona is/was an icon. Talent - I mean I could go either way on it, but after her Oscar JenCon turned into one of the most boringly samey actresses around with barely a trace of light in sight. Winona has had some pretty gigantic off days, but the variety of her on days is epic. Looks - Gorgeous as Winona was she can't really compete with a young JenCon. As Jen wasted away to the bone I'd say Winona outlasted her. I actually agree with pretty much all of this. Winona's off days are AWFUL, but because her on days are (were?) more varied and interesting, i'd probably pick her. She has nothing on her CV quite on the level of "Requiem" or "House of Sand and Fog", but looking at the rest of Connelly's body of work (outside "Labyrinth" which stands out as a fun film at least) I could honestly fall asleep. She is obviously talented, but dreadfully unexciting as a performer. Ryer is not 'obviously' talented, but she switches it up a lot more and actually does interesting projects. And sometimes she can be quite good in them too.
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Post by countjohn on Sept 11, 2017 21:20:00 GMT
I'm surprised Ryder is winning so decisively. I would have thought that Connelly was the better regarded actress. Personally I would say that Ryder's best performances are better but that Connelly is more consistent and has more range.
Ryder was more attractive when they were both young in the 80's/early 90's, but Connelly has aged remarkably well. So sort of the same thing as above.
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Post by wendy on Sept 12, 2017 9:30:35 GMT
Ryer is not 'obviously' talented, You don't think Ryder is obviously talented? I don't think there's anyone else like her. I've never heard anyone say that another actress does a Ryder better than Ryder.Sorry honey I don't really understand the bolded. Might be my English. :? Is this a thing people say about actresses in general? But no, I can't say I really think Ryder displays an obvious talent, technique or craft on screen. She is not an Isabelle Huppert or Samantha Morton, and she's not very consistent... what she DOES possess is a great inherent screen presence, and a penchant for quirky and inventive characters. She definitely has given a couple of great performances (I happen to love her work in Reality Bites, for example). Regarding the 'obvious' comment, i'm not saying she's untalented, i'm just proposing that there are actress-specific qualities (consistency from role to role, effortlessness on screen, ease in transforming physical traits, strong use of the voice) that aren't quite there for her, or as readily available in her work when you take a first look at her performances. Perhaps that is part of the appeal for some people.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 12, 2017 12:21:40 GMT
Winona Ryder for the lot
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