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Post by jakesully on Aug 25, 2017 1:12:29 GMT
James Cameron, who is known for writing some of Hollywood's strongest female protagonists, wasn't completely impressed. “All of the self-congratulatory back-patting Hollywood’s been doing over Wonder Woman has been so misguided," he said in an interview with The Guardian. "She’s an objectified icon, and it’s just male Hollywood doing the same old thing! I’m not saying I didn’t like the movie but, to me, it’s a step backwards."
Cameron pointed to his Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgment Day character Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton) as what a female action protagonist could be.
"Sarah Connor was not a beauty icon," Cameron said. "She was strong, she was troubled, she was a terrible mother, and she earned the respect of the audience through pure grit. And to me, [the benefit of characters like Sarah] is so obvious. I mean, half the audience is female!”
The writer-director-producer has been married five times and was once married to Hamilton, as well as Oscar-winning filmmaker Kathryn Bigelow. He wed actress Suzy Amis in 2000 after meeting her on the set of Titanic.
“Being attracted to strong independent women has the downside that they’re strong independent women — they inherently don’t need you!” Cameron said. “Fortunately, I’m married now to a strong independent woman who does believe she needs me.” www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/james-cameron-calls-wonder-woman-a-step-backwards-1032433this motherfucker! I still like James Cameron but he's way off base here imo . WW was top notch stuff and Patty Jenkins nailed it out of the park with it. A "step backwards" my ass
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Post by Zeb31 on Aug 25, 2017 1:35:51 GMT
I really don't think Wonder Woman is all that, but I'm not sure what his point is. That she's too pretty and idealized without enough flaws or complexity? I'd like to understand him better before I agree or disagree with him.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Aug 25, 2017 3:00:04 GMT
Objectified? I actually thought Patty Jenkins did a really terrific job not letting the ubiquity of the male gaze seep into her work. Yeah, Gal Gadot's pretty but that plays into how power fantasies (which, in some fundamental way, just about all superheroes are) are always depicted for males and part of what made Wonder Woman notable was that women got to have that too without the baggage that usually comes with female leads.
Sure, Cameron, I love Sarah Conner, she's actually one of my favorite female protagonists and Linda Hamilton's performance in the second film especially is great, but not all female leads need to spend most of the movie as borderline-shattered individuals caught between grieving over a dude, fearing a giant dude, or raising their own little dude.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Aug 25, 2017 3:16:04 GMT
God what an arrogant prick he is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 3:29:23 GMT
Go suck a big fuckin dick, Cameron.
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Post by countjohn on Aug 25, 2017 3:50:08 GMT
"Self-congratulatory back-patting" describes his comments about his own movie more than anything I've heard anyone say about Wonder Woman.
I've heard people make this complaint before, but when did all the "objectification" of Gal Gadot happen? Because I would have enjoyed it had I noticed it.
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Post by getclutch on Aug 25, 2017 5:32:04 GMT
How sad he is very envious.
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 25, 2017 5:49:13 GMT
He probably should've kept his yap shut, and his own gloating is annoying..... but.... I don't think WW works as a feminist film either. I don't think it's a "step backward" not at all. But it's hard to ignore that the movie loots its big laughs at the expense of women: WW's puerile naivety and the female assistant's fumbling/lurching. And the movie stresses - in the third act - that maybe for WW it isn't enough to, oh I don't know, save the world, she needs the extra boost (the love of a man). It's feminist in the sense that it was helmed by a female about a powerful beloved female. But its intentions, and its branding, are quite different to the thing itself. As a comparitive aside, take Rogue One vs The Force Awakens. Both blockbusters with female leads.... one character has little agency and depends on the men around her.... the other is a resilient independent woman whose force (ahem) is from her own unfixed instinctive good. WW swings btwn the two.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Aug 25, 2017 6:03:08 GMT
I haven't seen this film, so I can't comment on everything. I just reject the notion that you can't be a beauty icon and taken seriously as a great female action protagonist. That is the way Cameron is coming across in those quotes.
To people who have seen the film, was Wonder Woman more "objectified" than Superman or Thor have been in movies?
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Post by Miles Morales on Aug 25, 2017 6:44:25 GMT
To people who have seen the film, was Wonder Woman more "objectified" than Superman or Thor have been in movies? Way, way less.
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Post by Miles Morales on Aug 25, 2017 7:05:20 GMT
Wonder Woman was "objectified"? Did Cameron see the same film as we did?
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 25, 2017 11:11:15 GMT
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Post by skibidido on Aug 25, 2017 13:14:22 GMT
I'm inable to understand what Cameron's point is. What does he even mean when he says this is a step backwards?
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Post by cherry68 on Aug 25, 2017 13:22:48 GMT
I was talking to a friend yesterday and these were my exact words : "I rarely see a beautiful and young actress being praised for playing a beautiful woman...but the character needs to have other disgrace like illness or poverty. I mean, people begin praising actresses when they aren't young anymore, or they aren't lookers" It seems like Cameron is stuck to this kind of view.
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Post by harlequinade on Aug 25, 2017 14:49:01 GMT
He needs to go back to the bottom of the ocean and stay there.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 25, 2017 15:47:45 GMT
I'm inable to understand what Cameron's point is. What does he even mean when he says this is a step backwards? Because according to Cameron , Wonder Woman is a sex object . She's beautiful and desirable but that's pretty much it so she doesn't deserve to be taken seriously .
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Aug 25, 2017 22:44:24 GMT
Well said by Jenkins. I feel that people are very narrow-minded in the way they view women. Women are some of the most complex creatures on earth, and yet they are boxed into single categories and you have people like Cameron who refuse to accept that they can be many different things. Unless there was a gratuitous, close-up shot of Wonder Woman's breasts bouncing up and down, then James Cameron should have a seat with his criticisms. I think HE is the one viewing her as an object, so his comments say a lot about him, as much as he wants to pat himself on the back in regards to his presentation of women.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Aug 26, 2017 4:05:17 GMT
Unless there was a gratuitous, close-up shot of Wonder Woman's breasts bouncing up and down, then James Cameron should have a seat with his criticisms. The closest you get to one of those shots is the one from the trailer that shows her legs in close-up (though it was more focused on the whip), but i don't think that even made it into the final film. There are scenes where she's intended to look crazy beautiful, with her in party dresses and high fashion (basically giving her Hepburn in Sabrina shots), but it isn't sexually charged. Even sequences where she's in full armor, the camera doesn't linger on her. It doesn't leer at her and scan her body up and down. Hell, Chris Pine felt more objectified than she did (in a tasteful way).
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 27, 2017 6:29:48 GMT
Fuck that noise
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Aug 27, 2017 19:25:17 GMT
His criticism should be that it's a terrible movie.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 27, 2017 23:14:46 GMT
Well I get what he's saying, still I thought Wonder Woman's was well-handled, and I'm not sure Cameron himself can write characters as compelling these days either. Still I do respect the man as a filmmaker, and he has written some good female characters in his prime too.
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