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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 8, 2017 11:35:50 GMT
First of all does anybody who came over from the IMDB days find less stimulating stuff on here for the most part? I know it's not the "same" but just saying.
I'm thinking that in that past if I had posted some stuff I've posted here it would have gotten a lot more yappity yap back and forth for both good and bad not like disagreement for the sake of it (but that too!!), just talk and extension of it...........but on here people just seem for the most to just echo the post a bit ("Yes, [Insert Director's Name Here] Is Incredible!").
So what's pacinoyes missing exactly or rather is pacinoyes not missing anything with an ASS like that?
Just seems like more of a chill place, not a place to maybe get somebody writing a lengthy review or bumping a weirdo thread or stuff............what sayeth ye? ......................and how ya feeling about it?
Or is it just that too many old school peeps are gone from here and just enjoy MAR as is because the old IMDB days aren't coming back you f'n dinosaur pacinoyes and STFU and get down off the cross because we need the wood?
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Post by Viced on Jul 8, 2017 13:37:36 GMT
The IMDb board was like a medium sized city, random people popping up every now and then and you could tell someone that they are a fucking idiot without having to worry about ever seeing them again.
This place is like a large neighborhood, where if you told someone to go fuck their own face... walking the dog next week might be a little awkward.
I miss arguing, of course... but the more chill vibe is nice for now.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jul 8, 2017 14:21:12 GMT
Just seems like more of a chill place, not a place to maybe get somebody writing a lengthy review or bumping a weirdo thread or stuff............what sayeth ye? ......................and how ya feeling about it? I think it's that, combined with the absence of most of the overly argumentative and unnecessarily confrontational fuckwits that had infested OB in its latter days
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Post by stephen on Jul 8, 2017 15:21:20 GMT
First of all does anybody who came over from the IMDB days find less stimulating stuff on here for the most part? I know it's not the "same" but just saying. I'm thinking that in that past if I had posted some stuff I've posted here it would have gotten a lot more yappity yap back and forth for both good and bad not like disagreement for the sake of it (but that too!!), just talk and extension of it...........but on here people just seem for the most to just echo the post a bit ("Yes, [Insert Director's Name Here] Is Incredible!"). So what's pacinoyes missing exactly or rather is pacinoyes not missing anything with an ASS like that? Just seems like more of a chill place, not a place to maybe get somebody writing a lengthy review or bumping a weirdo thread or stuff............what sayeth ye? ......................and how ya feeling about it? Or is it just that too many old school peeps are gone from here and just enjoy MAR as is because the old IMDB days aren't coming back you f'n dinosaur pacinoyes and STFU and get down off the cross because we need the wood? It definitely has a different vibe, but not an altogether unpleasant one. There are far fewer trolls here for starters, and the structure of this place makes for a little less anonymity because there is less traffic here. IMDb was the hub of all internet movie discussion, so anyone could discover it, whereas this place was built primarily as a haven for the longtime OB users, and even then, many of those didn't come here. Part of it is the format change, part of it is that a lot of the board mainstays didn't make it over here on the proverbial Mayflower, part of it is that we're still not quite in "awards season," and part of it is that it just doesn't have the same hustle-and-bustle as the old homestead. I do miss some of the back-and-forth, but I also don't miss the sheer negativity that existed there as well. I'm happy that this place exists, especially because it keeps me in contact with a lot of people who might otherwise have vanished into the ether (like you, old sport). And for what it's worth, I think this place will see more action when we get closer to awards season. But if it helps, I'm more than willing to start up a "Fuck Taxi Driver" thread to get the ball rolling. (With all that said, personally, I could do without the post counters on the user profiles. God knows I would've been aghast at knowing how many posts I made in my career as an Oscar Buzzer.)
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Post by Martin Stett on Jul 8, 2017 17:44:21 GMT
On top of Viced and Stephen's notes, I think the new layout doesn't help. I would frequently wind up in conversations outside of my usual "comfort zone" because they were on the front page. New blood = new viewpoints, too. That's missing here.
I spent a lot of time on the IMDb board for Cowboy Bebop, and for around a year we somehow got a vibrant community for a show that had been dead for a decade. We had all sorts of discussions about that story, from fan theories to discussions of the themes to "100 things I learned from CB" threads (#17: Never fall in love with your lawyer) to movie casting ideas. There were dozens of regular posters, most of which wound up being newbies just discovering the piece.
But time passed (and the planned movie adaptation fell through), and it wound up becoming a shell as one by one we all realized that we had exhausted pretty much every discussion point that a 26 episode TV show could offer. If new people showed up, there would be fresh discussions, but with the movie dead they weren't coming. I still keep in touch with one of the regulars from that board (we discuss Doctor Who now that she's turned me on to that), but without new blood to freshen things up, discussion dies.
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Post by stephen on Jul 8, 2017 18:17:53 GMT
On top of Viced and Stephen's notes, I think the new layout doesn't help. I would frequently wind up in conversations outside of my usual "comfort zone" because they were on the front page. New blood = new viewpoints, too. That's missing here. I spent a lot of time on the IMDb board for Cowboy Bebop, and for around a year we somehow got a vibrant community for a show that had been dead for a decade. We had all sorts of discussions about that story, from fan theories to discussions of the themes to "100 things I learned from CB" threads (#17: Never fall in love with your lawyer) to movie casting ideas. There were dozens of regular posters, most of which wound up being newbies just discovering the piece. But time passed (and the planned movie adaptation fell through), and it wound up becoming a shell as one by one we all realized that we had exhausted pretty much every discussion point that a 26 episode TV show could offer. If new people showed up, there would be fresh discussions, but with the movie dead they weren't coming. I still keep in touch with one of the regulars from that board (we discuss Doctor Who now that she's turned me on to that), but without new blood to freshen things up, discussion dies. Indeed. There's only so many times we can do a "2012 Best Actress" thread, especially as (unlike the old place) threads here remain indefinitely. Many of us have spent enough time around each other to more or less know each other's tastes, so I don't feel as inclined to write huge sheaves of discussion on my likes and dislikes as I once did.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jul 9, 2017 12:26:35 GMT
First of all does anybody who came over from the IMDB days find less stimulating stuff on here for the most part? I know it's not the "same" but just saying. I'm thinking that in that past if I had posted some stuff I've posted here it would have gotten a lot more yappity yap back and forth for both good and bad not like disagreement for the sake of it (but that too!!), just talk and extension of it...........but on here people just seem for the most to just echo the post a bit ("Yes, [Insert Director's Name Here] Is Incredible!"). So what's pacinoyes missing exactly or rather is pacinoyes not missing anything with an ASS like that? Just seems like more of a chill place, not a place to maybe get somebody writing a lengthy review or bumping a weirdo thread or stuff............what sayeth ye? ......................and how ya feeling about it? Or is it just that too many old school peeps are gone from here and just enjoy MAR as is because the old IMDB days aren't coming back you f'n dinosaur pacinoyes and STFU and get down off the cross because we need the wood? But if it helps, I'm more than willing to start up a "Fuck Taxi Driver" thread to get the ball rolling.
I would happily partake in a Taxi Driver bashing thread. Black Swan too, but it would probably be just me and you sounding bitter in that one.
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Post by taranofprydain on Jul 9, 2017 14:19:30 GMT
Anybody up for a Cape Fear bashing thread? Nolte and Lange were good, the film had oodles of visual style, but Lewis was very inconsistent, and De Niro chewed the scenery mercilessly.
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Post by Drish on Jul 9, 2017 14:22:38 GMT
Anybody up for a Cape Fear bashing thread? Nolte and Lange were good, the film had oodles of visual style, but Lewis was very inconsistent, and De Niro chewed the scenery mercilessly. +1000 Easily one of the worst shit ever. And Lange was unbelievably bad.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 9, 2017 14:33:27 GMT
A "Cape Fear" bashing thread is sort of my specialty (and I would always combine it with Casino as a twofer Scorsese low points discount!). Then merc would answer and say something like "Jack and Jill 2% on RT" and Pacino would have gone full ham in that role, #faxonly, and I always say I love DeNiro but the only time he ever sees me post anything it's negative and I'm a liar and am jealous and then............then I would tell him to STFU and to make my sandwich.
So many good times I swear I have something in my eye!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 14:35:42 GMT
If there must be a bashing thread for a Scorsese movie, it has to be Raging Bull, y'all come on. And not Taxi Driver. The big difference between here and there is that 1) there aren't any trolls here as such *knock wood*, and 2) the boards are so segregated (not complaining), that a person can feel it being a less happening place than it is, since many won't have upmost interest in various boards, even if they acknowledge it as necessary (politics and classic films, latter to some extent, for example) I can start a La La Land bashing thread if y'all want tho
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Post by stephen on Jul 9, 2017 14:45:29 GMT
Anybody up for a Cape Fear bashing thread? Nolte and Lange were good, the film had oodles of visual style, but Lewis was very inconsistent, and De Niro chewed the scenery mercilessly. De Niro was a catastrophe, Lewis was shit, Lange was rancid and Nolte was like watching papier-mâché try to emote. 'Tis by far Scorsese's worst film, and the fact that he roped Peck and Mitchum into it is an insult.
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Post by cheesecake on Jul 9, 2017 20:15:30 GMT
The IMDb board was like a medium sized city, random people popping up every now and then and you could tell someone that they are a fucking idiot without having to worry about ever seeing them again. This place is like a large neighborhood, where if you told someone to go fuck their own face... walking the dog next week might be a little awkward. I miss arguing, of course... but the more chill vibe is nice for now. That's a great way to put it.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 9, 2017 22:27:06 GMT
One thing I like about this board is that there aren't any old Hollywood fanboys who tend to be strollers from Film General that comes around every once in a while. In my experience, they're the most narrow/closed-minded idiots, and encounters with them are not fun.
An Old Hollywood fanboy back in 2013 kept on attacking me for preferring Heat to his old Hollywood collection. Like wtf, dude? Heat was only 18 years old at the time and he wasn't aware it was a classic? There are more ignorant people than I thought.... seriously.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 10, 2017 0:44:34 GMT
I actually don't think he's left enough room for a True Detective type role honestly (as a detective). The greatest portrayals of cops were his, imo, even when he played cops a lot they were utterly uniquely crafted from each other (Serpico, Cruising, Sea of Love, Heat, Insomnia - 5 cops and memorably distinct)....but later on there was less special attributes in this type of role even if he isn't exactly a cop all the time (88 Minutes, Righteous Kill, Son Of No One). He's playing a cop this year in the probable disaster Hangman and if you look at what he can still do well his filmography right now tells the tale: Larger than life creations (Jimmy Hoffa, Joe Paterno) or character quirk (Dabka) that's stuff to be excited about. That's what worked for his performances in the Phil Spector/Humbling/Danny Collins/Manglehorn stuff too a few years back..........what's missing though is the stuff in the middle - not Phil Spector and Danny Collins star swagger and not Manglehorn/Humbling character work and I don't think there's enough time at 77 to fill in the gap. On the other hand playing somebody's cranky grandfather is a golden opportunity waiting to happen
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Post by idioticbunny on Jul 10, 2017 1:28:26 GMT
I actually kind of agree. As much as I love all the people that are here, I feel like there are still dozens more that don't post here anymore. They might not have been notable names, but they certainly had an opinion and were able to share it on posts.
I didn't have too many run-ins with the trolls everyone mentions (thankfully), but that was also because I didn't partake in much talk outside of films or television shows. I've never been much of a politics, religion, or sports person so it kind of leaves me with art and that's about the extent of my knowledge.
The other big thing, I think, is that having the boards split up - while super convenient - means that people might not bother looking at a significant post you've made simply because they don't know about it because they don't visit those boards. Like, I think I might have peeked into the Video Games forum only a handful of times, but each time I realize "oh shit, there's a lot here I'd love to discuss". And since I spend most of my time on the "Classic Film" forum - which seems to have far less traffic than many of the others - I only get a handful of replies.
Not saying all my posts warrant replies - as they certainly never got that many when I was posting the same stuff on IMDB - but they still got more outside opinions on IMDB and often times a lot of new, fresh ones as well because of those people just - as Viced stated - "popping up every now and then." So yeah, I miss it for the same reason I had always loathed the idea of shutting down the forums -- we'll never get any fresh faces or new voices to offer fresh, exciting perspectives. But I'm happy with the fact that I still have a place to talk about movies regardless, since no one in close proximity of me is willing to do so (save one or two).
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jul 10, 2017 2:18:29 GMT
The other big thing, I think, is that having the boards split up - while super convenient - means that people might not bother looking at a significant post you've made simply because they don't know about it because they don't visit those boards. Like, I think I might have peeked into the Video Games forum only a handful of times, but each time I realize "oh shit, there's a lot here I'd love to discuss". And since I spend most of my time on the "Classic Film" forum - which seems to have far less traffic than many of the others - I only get a handful of replies. Which is why I encourage everyone to use Recent Threads ( movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/threads/recent) to keep up with everything going on in this forum.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jul 10, 2017 2:54:43 GMT
Can't second this enough. Makes it much, much better to visit the board.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jul 10, 2017 3:14:59 GMT
Viced said it perfectly. I'd also like to add that while we do get a lot less traffic here when compared to a bigger platform like IMDB, with its constant influx of new users (which is something that admittedly frustrated me a little bit at first), that also has the advantage of filtering out the trolls. I'm upset that some of my favorite buzzers were left behind (like Tasty and Paranoid ), but on the other hand, I feel like the number of great contributors we lost is thankfully far, far smaller than the number of annoyances we no longer have to deal with (and I'm not just talking about the usual easy targets here). Besides, the one or two nuisances that migrated with us only drop in once in a blue moon anyway. That makes it a much chiller, less exhausting place to visit, I've come to notice. Not that flame wars and bitch fests aren't entertaining, but they do generate an unnecessary level of toxicity and competitiveness that occasionally becomes all-consuming and defeats the purpose of following cinema and awards in the first place. I like that this board is less drenched in stan culture and snark than the original MA or (to a much greater extent) AW, for example.
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Post by idioticbunny on Jul 10, 2017 4:15:48 GMT
The other big thing, I think, is that having the boards split up - while super convenient - means that people might not bother looking at a significant post you've made simply because they don't know about it because they don't visit those boards. Like, I think I might have peeked into the Video Games forum only a handful of times, but each time I realize "oh shit, there's a lot here I'd love to discuss". And since I spend most of my time on the "Classic Film" forum - which seems to have far less traffic than many of the others - I only get a handful of replies. Which is why I encourage everyone to use Recent Threads ( movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/threads/recent) to keep up with everything going on in this forum. Wow, I actually never knew about this. Thanks for introducing it to me! I'll make this my new bookmark.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jul 10, 2017 4:33:37 GMT
The other big thing, I think, is that having the boards split up - while super convenient - means that people might not bother looking at a significant post you've made simply because they don't know about it because they don't visit those boards. Like, I think I might have peeked into the Video Games forum only a handful of times, but each time I realize "oh shit, there's a lot here I'd love to discuss". And since I spend most of my time on the "Classic Film" forum - which seems to have far less traffic than many of the others - I only get a handful of replies. Which is why I encourage everyone to use Recent Threads ( movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/threads/recent) to keep up with everything going on in this forum. I didn't even know that this existed.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jul 10, 2017 4:38:35 GMT
I actually don't think he's left enough room for a True Detective type role honestly (as a detective). The greatest portrayals of cops were his, imo, even when he played cops a lot they were utterly uniquely crafted from each other (Serpico, Cruising, Sea of Love, Heat, Insomnia - 5 cops and memorably distinct)....but later on there was less special attributes in this type of role even if he isn't exactly a cop all the time (88 Minutes, Righteous Kill, Son Of No One). He's playing a cop this year in the probable disaster Hangman and if you look at what he can still do well his filmography right now tells the tale: Larger than life creations (Jimmy Hoffa, Joe Paterno) or character quirk (Dabka) that's stuff to be excited about. That's what worked for his performances in the Phil Spector/Humbling/Danny Collins/Manglehorn stuff too a few years back..........what's missing though is the stuff in the middle - not Phil Spector and Danny Collins star swagger and not Manglehorn/Humbling character work and I don't think there's enough time at 77 to fill in the gap. On the other hand playing somebody's cranky grandfather is a golden opportunity waiting to happen The Alan Arkin role in Little Miss Sunshine? The Bill Nighy role in Arthur Christmas? That sort of thing?
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