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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 22, 2017 7:04:21 GMT
what do we think of him??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 8:28:47 GMT
Peter?
if so then Punishment Park is goat stuff (haven't seen the rest yet TBH)
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Post by tobias on Jun 22, 2017 9:07:08 GMT
We need to see moar! Specifically we should all watch War Game. --- As for me personally: I've only seen 3 yet, War Game, Culloden & Punishment Park. I need to watch Edward Munch sometime but La Commune looks even more fascinating tbh. It's 6 hours of restaged interviews from the paris commune in 1871, what the fuck Peter Watkins? If there would be one thing I could ask him it would be how to convince people that this is actually a good idea (I mean he would convince me in no time but concidering all the other stuff I think is a good idea, I'm rather convinced I don't count). With such skills he could probably do anything. The film itself looks very much like a 1-upped Culloden both much broader in scope (expanding from a mere battle chronicle to a giant socio-political event) and much wilder and crazier. Just look at these: deeperintomovies.net/journal/image08/lacommune5.jpg www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/lacommune-st.jpgwww.argosarts.org/db_images/works/large/commune_001.jpgbeirutbeirut.org/media/W1siZiIsIjIwMTUvMDQvMDEvNnR2YXlrdnA3ZV8xMTA2NjYwNF8xMDIwNzM5MDAxMjg4MjY4XzU4OTMwNzc2NzY1NzUwNzI4MzRfbi5wbmciXV0/11066604_1020739001288268_5893077676575072834_n.png?sha=aa47a534They put modern interviewing mics up into the otherwise full foax-doc scene, it's such a hillarious contrast. They even have a TV broadcast in the film. What is going on? Seriously: Are they trying to restage the event or are they mocking/criticising modern media by running this thing like a broadcast (just look at the reporters in the 3rd picture, they could be from CNN). Or is the idea to put into context how stable times are today compared to back then? No clue, I only know that this is incredibly absurd, yet at the same time it's a detailed restaging of history. I have to watch this but it needs to be at the right time. As for those that I've actually seen: Watkins is a master of 360° filmmaking (and I'm not talking the new cameras). He puts you right into the action and opens up a fascinating discourse between past and present, present and potential future. As someone who is very interested in history there is no way around loving him.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 22, 2017 12:13:38 GMT
I've seen a lot of his work and all of it brims with intellect and his unique POV, but I would say that the most valuable are actually the least challenging - Edvard Munch and Punishment Park to me transcend everything else. Those I would say are must watch films.
Those two work as actual straight ahead movies so they are the easiest point of entry - Edvard Munch looks like nothing so much as a Bergman film really - not that it's a copy, not at all, it's just if you've seen a Bergman film and liked it, you have an "in" to what he's try to do.
Punishment Park is genuinely charged with the issues of its time but those issues are always going to be timely anyway.......now more than ever actually......
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 22, 2017 22:25:53 GMT
We need to see moar! Specifically we should all watch War Game. --- As for me personally: I've only seen 3 yet, War Game, Culloden & Punishment Park. I need to watch Edward Munch sometime but La Commune looks even more fascinating tbh. It's 6 hours of restaged interviews from the paris commune in 1871, what the fuck Peter Watkins? If there would be one thing I could ask him it would be how to convince people that this is actually a good idea (I mean he would convince me in no time but concidering all the other stuff I think is a good idea, I'm rather convinced I don't count). With such skills he could probably do anything. The film itself looks very much like a 1-upped Culloden both much broader in scope (expanding from a mere battle chronicle to a giant socio-political event) and much wilder and crazier. Just look at these: deeperintomovies.net/journal/image08/lacommune5.jpg www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/lacommune-st.jpgwww.argosarts.org/db_images/works/large/commune_001.jpgbeirutbeirut.org/media/W1siZiIsIjIwMTUvMDQvMDEvNnR2YXlrdnA3ZV8xMTA2NjYwNF8xMDIwNzM5MDAxMjg4MjY4XzU4OTMwNzc2NzY1NzUwNzI4MzRfbi5wbmciXV0/11066604_1020739001288268_5893077676575072834_n.png?sha=aa47a534They put modern interviewing mics up into the otherwise full foax-doc scene, it's such a hillarious contrast. They even have a TV broadcast in the film. What is going on? Seriously: Are they trying to restage the event or are they mocking/criticising modern media by running this thing like a broadcast (just look at the reporters in the 3rd picture, they could be from CNN). Or is the idea to put into context how stable times are today compared to back then? No clue, I only know that this is incredibly absurd, yet at the same time it's a detailed restaging of history. I have to watch this but it needs to be at the right time. As for those that I've actually seen: Watkins is a master of 360° filmmaking (and I'm not talking the new cameras). He puts you right into the action and opens up a fascinating discourse between past and present, present and potential future. As someone who is very interested in history there is no way around loving him. i saw La commune this week, it was almost a spiritual experience. it's the first film i have truly identified with on every level from a political standpoint, and that is a big deal for me. he makes the whole thing extremely entertaining too, especially the first hour and a half. and yeah there's lots of media satire stuff in it but i love how he does it. absolutely adore it. i'm binging him soon. watching Resan and Punishment Park and The Gladiators at least, if you'd like to join me and get into him too that'd be cool!
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Post by no on Jun 23, 2017 0:06:41 GMT
Need to see more, but...
Edvard Munch on Top 40 Punisment Park is 9/10 The War Game is 8.5/10
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Post by tobias on Jun 23, 2017 11:20:54 GMT
We need to see moar! Specifically we should all watch War Game. --- As for me personally: I've only seen 3 yet, War Game, Culloden & Punishment Park. I need to watch Edward Munch sometime but La Commune looks even more fascinating tbh. It's 6 hours of restaged interviews from the paris commune in 1871, what the fuck Peter Watkins? If there would be one thing I could ask him it would be how to convince people that this is actually a good idea (I mean he would convince me in no time but concidering all the other stuff I think is a good idea, I'm rather convinced I don't count). With such skills he could probably do anything. The film itself looks very much like a 1-upped Culloden both much broader in scope (expanding from a mere battle chronicle to a giant socio-political event) and much wilder and crazier. Just look at these: deeperintomovies.net/journal/image08/lacommune5.jpg www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/lacommune-st.jpgwww.argosarts.org/db_images/works/large/commune_001.jpgbeirutbeirut.org/media/W1siZiIsIjIwMTUvMDQvMDEvNnR2YXlrdnA3ZV8xMTA2NjYwNF8xMDIwNzM5MDAxMjg4MjY4XzU4OTMwNzc2NzY1NzUwNzI4MzRfbi5wbmciXV0/11066604_1020739001288268_5893077676575072834_n.png?sha=aa47a534They put modern interviewing mics up into the otherwise full foax-doc scene, it's such a hillarious contrast. They even have a TV broadcast in the film. What is going on? Seriously: Are they trying to restage the event or are they mocking/criticising modern media by running this thing like a broadcast (just look at the reporters in the 3rd picture, they could be from CNN). Or is the idea to put into context how stable times are today compared to back then? No clue, I only know that this is incredibly absurd, yet at the same time it's a detailed restaging of history. I have to watch this but it needs to be at the right time. As for those that I've actually seen: Watkins is a master of 360° filmmaking (and I'm not talking the new cameras). He puts you right into the action and opens up a fascinating discourse between past and present, present and potential future. As someone who is very interested in history there is no way around loving him. i saw La commune this week, it was almost a spiritual experience. it's the first film i have truly identified with on every level from a political standpoint, and that is a big deal for me. he makes the whole thing extremely entertaining too, especially the first hour and a half. and yeah there's lots of media satire stuff in it but i love how he does it. absolutely adore it. i'm binging him soon. watching Resan and Punishment Park and The Gladiators at least, if you'd like to join me and get into him too that'd be cool! Nice, which version did you watch, the short one (I think that's about 3 hours) or the long one (about 6 hours)? I don't think I'll watch it too soon though (I've been really excited about it ever since I knew it existed but I've been saving it up for the time I really want to watch it), probably Edvard Munch first. I'll do some more Rosselini soon. I find him very fascinating because he changed so much over the years. I have Paisa, The Flowers of St. Francis & Europe '51 lined up. Maybe I'll finish with his India doc (or Hidden General). I've also just seen Godard's Passion which was great (and which I had been meaning to watch for quite some time now). I might check out some more Godard aswell.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 24, 2017 19:39:50 GMT
i saw La commune this week, it was almost a spiritual experience. it's the first film i have truly identified with on every level from a political standpoint, and that is a big deal for me. he makes the whole thing extremely entertaining too, especially the first hour and a half. and yeah there's lots of media satire stuff in it but i love how he does it. absolutely adore it. i'm binging him soon. watching Resan and Punishment Park and The Gladiators at least, if you'd like to join me and get into him too that'd be cool! Nice, which version did you watch, the short one (I think that's about 3 hours) or the long one (about 6 hours)? I don't think I'll watch it too soon though (I've been really excited about it ever since I knew it existed but I've been saving it up for the time I really want to watch it), probably Edvard Munch first. I'll do some more Rosselini soon. I find him very fascinating because he changed so much over the years. I have Paisa, The Flowers of St. Francis & Europe '51 lined up. Maybe I'll finish with his India doc (or Hidden General). I've also just seen Godard's Passion which was great (and which I had been meaning to watch for quite some time now). I might check out some more Godard aswell. the long one, which is available on youtube. it's a very breezy watch should you ever get the inspiration to watch it soon. Edvard Munch is also on youtube, just amazing shit man. i've seen a few from good ol roberto, not a personal fave or anything, i like Paisan a lot though. seen any others or just Passion? like it a lot but consider it a mid tier effort from him.
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Post by tobias on Jun 24, 2017 22:39:53 GMT
Nice, which version did you watch, the short one (I think that's about 3 hours) or the long one (about 6 hours)? I don't think I'll watch it too soon though (I've been really excited about it ever since I knew it existed but I've been saving it up for the time I really want to watch it), probably Edvard Munch first. I'll do some more Rosselini soon. I find him very fascinating because he changed so much over the years. I have Paisa, The Flowers of St. Francis & Europe '51 lined up. Maybe I'll finish with his India doc (or Hidden General). I've also just seen Godard's Passion which was great (and which I had been meaning to watch for quite some time now). I might check out some more Godard aswell. the long one, which is available on youtube. it's a very breezy watch should you ever get the inspiration to watch it soon. Edvard Munch is also on youtube, just amazing shit man. i've seen a few from good ol roberto, not a personal fave or anything, i like Paisan a lot though. seen any others or just Passion? like it a lot but consider it a mid tier effort from him. I've actually just finished Paisa. Liked the format a lot but damn, it's not all that easy to understand what these American soliders are talking. I thought it was going to be from different sides (also french, british and german) but it was very focussed on Italy/America which was a bit disappointing but it still felt like the most real WW II film I've ever seen. It's definitely a step up from Rome, Open City (which most consider his best but I personally think is his weakest I've seen yet). Which film from good ol roberto is your favorite? I haven't seen any other Godard films lately (but would rank Passion 6th/16). Une femme coquette and Charlotte et son Jules are not that long ago but they're only early shorts and feel just like that (meanwhile Charlotte et Véronique, ou Tous les garçons s'appellent Patrick is actually very nice but I've seen that years ago). I'll probably watch Goodbye to Language soon with one of my friends. Is there anything I should keep in mind with the 3D?
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 25, 2017 20:47:11 GMT
the long one, which is available on youtube. it's a very breezy watch should you ever get the inspiration to watch it soon. Edvard Munch is also on youtube, just amazing shit man. i've seen a few from good ol roberto, not a personal fave or anything, i like Paisan a lot though. seen any others or just Passion? like it a lot but consider it a mid tier effort from him. I've actually just finished Paisa. Liked the format a lot but damn, it's not all that easy to understand what these American soliders are talking. I thought it was going to be from different sides (also french, british and german) but it was very focussed on Italy/America which was a bit disappointing but it still felt like the most real WW II film I've ever seen. It's definitely a step up from Rome, Open City (which most consider his best but I personally think is his weakest I've seen yet). Which film from good ol roberto is your favorite? I haven't seen any other Godard films lately (but would rank Passion 6th/16). Une femme coquette and Charlotte et son Jules are not that long ago but they're only early shorts and feel just like that (meanwhile Charlotte et Véronique, ou Tous les garçons s'appellent Patrick is actually very nice but I've seen that years ago). I'll probably watch Goodbye to Language soon with one of my friends. Is there anything I should keep in mind with the 3D? maybe that one, Open City. like i said i'm not passionate towards him and he doesn't have a huge impression on me; i know you think Journey to Italy is hot shit but i was never a huge fan. glad you're going through his stuff, i quite like his india film. nah i mean his latest is visual splendor done right; i love how it toys with the concept of language and how it's a barrier, it's somewhat similar to what he did in Nouvelle vague but different. you're much more familiar with language than i am though i'm sure, so you'll probs get plenty out of it.
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