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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jun 13, 2017 5:53:43 GMT
Okay I wanted to like this film. I admit, I wanted to like this film based on the sheer talent involved. Also, intimate dramas in contained areas concentrated on a small group of screwed-up characters are normally my cup of tea. Well if this is the tea I'm served, I'm throwing it out as if I saw a fly shit in it.
I will say that Denzel Washington delivered - as expected. He adds yet another powerful performance to his repertoire. He's especially great at playing the defensiveness and selfishness of his character. I'm just not sure the film and screenplay around him is as powerful - and that's a problem. I can see why Denzel wanted to play the character and direct himself playing it, but the film ultimately registers as the Denzel show and not an actual cohesive film that is memorable for anything other than some of the acting. -Viola Davis is acting her heart out - and her snot out. I'm sorry - it's time for a petty detour here - but I can snot take the snot anymore. I'm thinking now that this woman thinks she has to have heaps of snot running out of her nostrils to really feel like she's acting. When I've cried and whenever I see other people cry, normally the reflex is to sniff something back. She proudly indulges herself in allowing that goopy, disgusting sludge to take over her entire face! I want to see the tears, but the snot has overtaken them! It's repulsive and just gives me the urge to hand her a tissue. Call me petty, I let it slide for Doubt, but I'm sick of it now.
- Mykelti Williamson gives one of the least convincing performances of a mentally disabled person I've seen. Rosie O'Donnell in Riding the Bus with My Sister would tell him he's not being real. Very solid supporting work from Stephen Henderson is not enough to balance that out.
Perhaps my beef is mainly with the playwright because I would be disappointed if I saw this play on stage too. I don't like the way the story was structured, I don't like the forced way the events unfolded and...
... and if you don't get the fuck out of here with that bullshit ending! I HATED that.
Best picture of the year nominee?! Fuck out of here.
I still love you Denzel.
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Post by bobbystarks on Jun 13, 2017 5:59:07 GMT
Lmaoooo I'm in fucking tears
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Post by countjohn on Jun 13, 2017 6:25:53 GMT
The movie- 8/10
Viola Davis's snot- 9.72/10 (Definitely very high quality snot, just not the very best I've seen. The texture was great and it ran down her face just right, but it more ran out rather than shooting out, which is what I like for dramatic effect. Top-tier snot, definitely the best of the year, just not perfect so I can't give it a 10/10)
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Post by bobbystarks on Jun 13, 2017 6:44:55 GMT
The movie- 8/10 Viola Davis's snot- 9.72/10 (Definitely very high quality snot, just not the very best I've seen. The texture was great and it ran down her face just right, but it more ran out rather than shooting out, which is what I like for dramatic effect. Top-tier snot, definitely the best of the year, just not perfect so I can't give it a 10/10) Personally I find the snot overrated. It started out strong but by the end it was messy and all over the place. I'd say about a 6.5/10.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Jun 13, 2017 7:14:50 GMT
Great review ! I had a similar reaction to you, actually. While watching it, I was struggling to find a reason for this movie to exist other than just to be a showcase for the actors, but after the credits were rolling I was more confused because, even if I never saw the play, I feel like there was not so much difference in those performances and the ones on the film, for me that's acting with capital A, in any way, shape or form it's cinematic. The movie itself is stagy as hell, it'd help to break the narrative and give insert plots with aspects of Tro'ys life that we only heard of.
I guess Denzel is good but he gave away everything I needed to know about his character in the first five minutes and after that, there was no surprise, and Viola, she's kind of subdue in some of her scenes but we know she likes to play the martyr and got old pretty quicky, but somehow was more credible than her infamous oscar speech.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 13, 2017 12:33:13 GMT
That's about right in the review although I think I liked it more because what works really works gangbusters - to me it's very very good but it probably just misses the cut for the very best great stage to screen films because of how it ends and also builds to the ending (after the hospital scene the film loses its intense grip).
Washington is truly great and not saying Davis is snot (Um....) but the arc of the film dissipates not merely at the ending but in the lead-up to that ending........there are some baffling choices at a directorial level you're expected just to swallow.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 13, 2017 12:44:06 GMT
- Mykelti Williamson gives one of the least convincing performances of a mentally disabled person I've seen. YEEES! Someone else gets it.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 14, 2017 4:26:50 GMT
Movie - 8.5 / 10 (very powerful)
Davis's Snot - 10 / 10
Hilarious review BTW.
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Post by akittystang on Jun 15, 2017 3:14:30 GMT
Yeah, I pretty much agree with Carrie on this one.
I liked Viola (and her snot) but I felt it was too similar to prior roles she'd been nominated for. I would've really liked for her to have won, in lead, for that Barbara Jordan biopic she's been talking about for years.
I'd give it a 6-6.5/10.
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Post by idioticbunny on Jun 15, 2017 17:06:53 GMT
I agree on so much of this it snot even funny. But seriously, Denzel is a goddamn powerhouse here, but the film around him just sucks. The only other person who seemed to give a damn about their performance was Jovan Adepo, who might have a bright future ahead so long as he's working hard in better projects. I can't agree that Davis gave a good performance at all because she's been playing the same type of character since the last time she worked with Denzel in Antwone Fisher. Except back then it was something fresh and new, but now it's just gotten stale. And the fucking snot bubbles, oh my God, I'm tired of it too. I wish people would realize these performances aren't that great too so that I can stop seeing her cry at every single awards show. Better yet, let her, I can probably find a way to make money off of these types of odds...
I think I gave it a 6 for Denzel's masterful performance, and for the fact that it's August Wilson. But other than that, such a dull film, poorly made and half the time poorly or carelessly acted.
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Post by marvelass on Jun 15, 2017 19:44:09 GMT
Best picture of the year nominee?! Fuck out of here. You realize why that was?
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Post by Zeb31 on Jun 15, 2017 20:03:49 GMT
Best picture of the year nominee?! Fuck out of here. You realize why that was? Because it was one of the best-liked films of the year.
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Post by stephen on Jun 15, 2017 20:13:26 GMT
I think it's far and away the best performance of Davis's career. Washington's, too, now that I think on it. I have long been a critic of Davis's mucus-reliant sobs, but this was the first time that they didn't bother me. I am also really delighted she won for Fences instead of her two earlier nods, of which I am most decidedly not a fan.
Here's my review of the film itself:
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Post by Zeb31 on Jun 15, 2017 21:52:36 GMT
I thought it was pretty damn good.
I understand why some took issue with how theatrical it was, and they're right that we never forget this was originally a stage play, but at the end of the day I think Washington made the right call by not playing it up or straining to make it cinematic. First, because since the screenplay was penned by the late August Wilson himself, there was no way he would've changed the man's words when he (and I assume the whole cast) feel so indebted to him. And second because by its very own nature, Fences is so contained that I feel that most things that Wilson or Washington might've tried to do to open it up would've felt superfluous or distracting. Two recent theater adaptations that I saw back to back (It's Only the End of the World and especially Una) demonstrated that sometimes less is more, and trying too hard to differentiate a cinematic version from its stage roots can severely undermine its impact, so in that respect I'm glad that Washington stayed put and let Wilson's words and the cast's work speak for themselves. Like you said, it's a small-scale drama focusing squarely on the interactions of a handful of characters; a handful of external scenes wouldn't have added much other than padding to the proceedings.
That's not to say the direction is spotless. It takes a short while for it to really get going, with the first 20 or 30 minutes in particular being a bit rough around the edges, but once it finds its groove, you're sucked in for the rest of its runtime. Same goes for Washington's performance: it starts out too broad and theatrical for its own good, but it builds tremendously as it progresses. Yes, it comes across as the Denzel show from time to time, but I'm willing to chalk that up to the play itself being so heavily focused on Troy and his character being so dominating and larger than life. And honestly, Washington being so damn watchable means that this being the Denzel show wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing at all. I preferred Affleck and Mortensen out of the Oscar lineup, but I wouldn't at all have minded it if he'd won for this.
His screen partner is absolutely luminous, and possibly my favorite Supporting Actress winner since Mo'Nique. Judging by the trailers, I'd expected her to crank the snot up to eleven, but she nails all of her scenes, quiet or loud, and her one big snot-soaked moment is so well-delivered it didn't bother me one bit. It's a very showy performance, but it never felt like showboating or awards-mugging. Washington had occasional slips (especially in those first 20-30 minutes), but she didn't. Lovely, lovely work.
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Post by AKenjiB on Jun 15, 2017 22:41:20 GMT
Funny review, though I'm more with Stephen and Zeb. I kinda wish Denzel's direction could've done more to make the film feel more cinematic, since it's essentially a filmed stageplay, but I really liked most of the performances. I didn't hate Mykelti Williamson in this, but he's definitely the weakest of the bunch (I'll still always love him for Justified, Lucky Number Slevin, and Forrest Gump). However, I thought Jovan Adepo and Stephen Henderson were Oscar worthy. I honestly didn't mind Davis' snot at all. I liked how the film didn't try to make crying look pretty, like something that looks good on a camera, but I can see why it wouldn't appeal to a lot of people.
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