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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 31, 2024 8:11:21 GMT
Ok so there's one for MOVIES, music, TV, Acting, but none for sports and maybe Politics (I don't remember)? Huh?
My first few takes....
1. Kylian Mbappe is not nearly as big as some people think. In the Eastern Hemisphere he's some celebrity, but in the Western Hemisphere I almost never see his face anywhere. I don't know about South America but given his comments on the quality of South American soccer... maybe South Americans aren't embracing him like the Eastern Hemy does... either?
Not that nobody here knows and loves him because there definitely are a lot of soccer fans here. But he trails behind quite a few sports celebrities here who probably aren't big elsewhere. I think he lags behind guys even the Western Hemisphere designated as standouts in the early 00s like Ronaldo, Zidane, and Beckham.
2. Lebron James is not a Top 10 all time NBA player.
3. In 5 years, Iva Jović will settle somewhere between Iga Swiatek and Coco Gauff, and be the best US tennis player. And since Gauff only has 1 grand slam, don't see her status being so insurmountable.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 31, 2024 8:24:22 GMT
* Rafael Nadal is a great player - somewhere between 2nd and 4th ever .......but he doesn't compare on all surfaces to Djokovic at all .....and compares to him LESS than Federer does ......so probably 3rd........people that place him 2nd are really stretchng it * Terrell Owens might have been THE most gifted wide receiver I ever saw ......but he isn't talked about like that now * The Philadelphia Eagles have never had a truly GREAT QB imo.......and that includes Cunningham :format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/58562301/1697704.jpg.0.jpg) |
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Post by countjohn on Aug 31, 2024 19:20:29 GMT
NFL
Peyton is borderline underrated at this point. I thought he was still GOAT at the time of his retirement but Brady passed him with longevity after that. But it's still closer than a lot of people think and I think he's clearly no. 2 by a big margin over anyone else. For another one putting Montana ahead of Peyton or Marino is just an "OMG RINGS" take to me.
College Football
Not about specific players but the sport was better with the BCS. The expanded playoff in particular is about to ruin the sport this year, the thing that made CFB compelling was how massive an upset could be, lose once and you were probably out of it. If the no. 1 team was having a tough night on the road it was must see TV. The 4 team playoff took away from that and the new 12 team playoff just kills it, now it's just NFL Jr. Edition. Not sure how much I'll watch this year outside some of the traditional rivalries.
Baseball
Discussed this once but Maddux>Clemens with or without steroids. Koufax is also pretty overrated in some circles, had a great 5 year run but other people have had better and he barely did anything outside that. Still a top 5-10 pitcher but Boomer baseball commentators like to talk about him like he's Michael Jordan or something.
The HOF should split hairs with what steroid users they let in, not just an "in or out" thing which is what the debate is with fans. Guys who had significant accomplishments while they were clean like Clemens, Bonds, and probably AROD should get in but guys who were juicing the whole time like Maguire and Sosa shouldn't.
NBA
I'd put Wilt second to Jordan just due to dominance in his own time.
Karl Malone is the greatest PF of all time. Everyone just says Duncan because of rings and Duncan being a nice guy while Malone was a jerk. The only advantage Duncan has is being a slightly better rebounder, Malone has it all over him offensively. Duncan's best offensive season was 25 PPG on 50% shooting. Counted and Malone has ten seasons with both a higher PPG and FG%. There's so much groupthink on this, go into any NBA space online and say this and everyone will just yell at you.
Bird>Magic, his mid 80's MVP seasons are better than anything from Magic and it's not like Magic played any longer either. 84 Finals had them both at their best with equal teams around them and the Celtics won because Bird was the best player on the floor. Celtics were banged up and didn't have as good a team for the other two.
Tennis
Agree with Pac that Fed>Nadal. Nadal has a couple more slams but it's 2/3's at one event and Fed has more regular titles, slam finals/semis, year end championships, and weeks at no. 1.
I have Laver 4th ahead of Sampras and Borg. Winning the grand slam, going pro, and then winning it again when the open era starts is the most badass shit.
What Other People Said
I have no idea who Kylian Mbappe and have heard of those other guys so I guess that checks out.
LeBron outside the top ten is a haterade take. He's definitely not better than Jordan and I don't think he's undisputed second like some people but if he's not in your top 5 at least you're on drugs.
TO is definitely not more talented than Randy Moss, CJ, or Justin Jefferson to name a few. If you think he's better than them that's another question.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 1, 2024 1:11:04 GMT
If black American athletes embraced soccer over basketball/football then the U.S. would dominate every county in the world at soccer.
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Post by cherry68 on Sept 1, 2024 10:32:19 GMT
If black American athletes embraced soccer over basketball/football then the U.S. would dominate every county in the world at soccer. I don't think physical features are remotely enough to play greatly. Otherwise people like Messi who is small and thin, or Maradona who was short and overweight wouldn't have been champions. I underline I know quite well Weston McKennie (a black American) who has been playing for my team for years and who is a good player, but not an all times champion. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 5, 2024 1:22:18 GMT
Brou had the best take I think I ever heard today.
Patrick Mahomes is Michael Jordan.
Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson are Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone, and Reggie Miller. People who looked like got somewhat close one time against Jordan, but still Jordan edged them each time on all 3 counts.
Iow, stop sucking the dicks of people like Allen, Burrow and Herbert. All 3 are praised for 2021. But that was 3 years ago and we're still thinking of 2021.
Allen had that crazy game in the divisional, but since then has been taking L and L against Mahomes and beating really bad teams with backup QBs in the playoffs. Burrow had a Super Bowl run where his defense had 7 INTs in 3 games (so who really deserves the credit?) and Herbert had 38 TDs and 5000 yards but has not come within range of hitting that mark again.
So...point made. Time to move on to 2024 where those guys aforementioned are basically in the regular pack of QBs now. And they do make QBs in the NFC too, just wondering if people knew.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 5, 2024 1:28:35 GMT
Brou had the best take I think I ever heard today. Patrick Mahomes is Michael Jordan. Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson are Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone, and Reggie Miller. People who looked like got somewhat close one time against Jordan, but still Jordan edged them each time on all 3 counts. Iow, stop sucking the dicks of people like Allen, Burrow and Herbert. All 3 are praised for 2021. But that was 3 years ago and we're still thinking of 2021. Allen had that crazy game in the divisional, but since then has been taking L and L against Mahomes and beating really bad teams with backup QBs in the playoffs. Burrow had a Super Bowl run where his defense had 7 INTs in 3 games (so who really deserves the credit?) and Herbert had 38 TDs and 5000 yards but has not come within range of hitting that mark again. So...point made. Time to move on to 2024 where it's Mahomes and everyone else. And they do make QBs in the NFC too, just wondering if people knew. Chiefs 3peat - where does Reid rank all time? 2nd? The time is yours.......the buffet is mine  |
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Post by countjohn on Sept 5, 2024 1:29:53 GMT
Brou had the best take I think I ever heard today. Patrick Mahomes is Michael Jordan. Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson are Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone, and Reggie Miller. People who looked like got somewhat close one time against Jordan, but still Jordan edged them each time on all 3 counts. Iow, stop sucking the dicks of people like Allen, Burrow and Herbert. All 3 are praised for 2021. But that was 3 years ago and we're still thinking of 2021. Interesting to see if any of them can reach the Shaq level and win championships. Agree that's not going to be Allen. I think Herbert is the biggest threat with Harbaugh there now if they can get a team around him, he was hurt a lot last year remember. |
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Post by countjohn on Sept 5, 2024 1:33:45 GMT
Brou had the best take I think I ever heard today. Patrick Mahomes is Michael Jordan. Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson are Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone, and Reggie Miller. People who looked like got somewhat close one time against Jordan, but still Jordan edged them each time on all 3 counts. Iow, stop sucking the dicks of people like Allen, Burrow and Herbert. All 3 are praised for 2021. But that was 3 years ago and we're still thinking of 2021. Allen had that crazy game in the divisional, but since then has been taking L and L against Mahomes and beating really bad teams with backup QBs in the playoffs. Burrow had a Super Bowl run where his defense had 7 INTs in 3 games (so who really deserves the credit?) and Herbert had 38 TDs and 5000 yards but has not come within range of hitting that mark again. So...point made. Time to move on to 2024 where it's Mahomes and everyone else. And they do make QBs in the NFC too, just wondering if people knew. Chiefs 3peat - where does Reid rank all time? 2nd? The time is yours.......the buffet is mine Reid already might be no. 2 to me. What he did in Philly might be even more impressive getting them to the NFC championship what felt like every year with not great teams without a HOF QB. Now that he's got an actual team he's running the league. Lombardi would be the most popular choice but to me that team was so stacked it was like playing Madden on rookie mode, same deal with Noll in the 70s or Auerbach in basketball. Walsh would be the other one I'd consider especially with how much he changed the game with the West Coast offense but Reid seems to be showing no signs of slowing down so it seems inevitable he'll pass him at some point if he hasn't already. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 5, 2024 1:50:25 GMT
pacinoyesREID isn't Walsh and Shanahan (Mike) in terms of being able to re-write the offensive playbook. Those guys had insane offenses that were a class above the rest of the league during their time. If Shanahan had Elway for a career, I think he'd be easily Top 3 all time. And Belichick just knew how to stay ahead of the game. He's the best at game preparation, but he's pretty bad without Brady. Still REID without Mahomes.... I guess he was better than Belichick without Brady tho. countjohn - I don't think Herbert will win a championship. He's Stafford but only difference is he won't win a Super Bowl. He has a big arm, but he's the type that elite defensive coordinators will always figure out in big games. And I don't think Shaqs championships are impressive. Bulls were on decline, Jordan was no longer in the league, he had Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant, and his best competition was Bryan Scott and Allen Iversion - lightweights compared to Jordan.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 5, 2024 19:19:05 GMT
I'm not saying I'd watch a WNBA game over any NFL game but I can pretty much guarantee I will have one eye on Caitlin Clark and 1 eye on the Packers-Eagles tomorrow night Tbh not sure why I care about the Packers-Eagles anyway tbh  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 11, 2024 20:11:25 GMT
There's a huge dfference - in all sports - between "MVP" and "Player of the Year" and while they sometimes overlap - they usually don't.......just sayin'  |
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