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Post by TylerDeneuve on Jul 13, 2024 2:22:43 GMT
Boring, I know, but I think my choice will always be The Conformist... As probing as it is visually dazzling... A never-better Jean-Louis Trintignant... One of the most essential film viewings ever, in my opinion. I also have a real affinity for The Dreamers, though I do think it's far from perfect.  What's your choice?  P.S.: This thread is inspired in part by my learning, through an interview about Gia Carangi with hairstylist Harry King, that Bertolucci had expressed interest in directing Gia as an actress to photographer Francesco Scavullo... This must have been the genesis of her fascination with Vittorio Storaro. I can only imagine how stunning that collaboration might have been...  |
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Post by ibbi on Jul 13, 2024 8:19:25 GMT
Yes, The Conformist.
Hopefully Gia wasn't allergic to butter or anything.
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Post by sophiefox on Jul 13, 2024 8:54:21 GMT
fuck that creep
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Jul 13, 2024 15:13:19 GMT
ibbi - It's time for bed. Aren't you weary? sophiefox - I totally understand and accept objecting to his films on moral grounds... Same with Polanski... But my experience of actually viewing his work is so outside of that... To my mind, it's a separate issue.
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Post by stephen on Jul 13, 2024 16:04:44 GMT
The Last Emperor for me. A grander and more opulent spectacle I struggle to compare it to.
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Post by JangoB on Jul 13, 2024 16:10:38 GMT
I'll be a conformist and go with The Conformist, followed by 1900.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 13, 2024 18:15:29 GMT
š“š“š“ Yawn! Get over it! It was a SIMULATED sex scene. |
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 13, 2024 18:23:59 GMT
ibbi - It's time for bed. Aren't you weary? sophiefox - I totally understand and accept objecting to his films on moral grounds... Same with Polanski... But my experience of actually viewing his work is so outside of that... To my mind, it's a separate issue. Oh, FFS! š It's literally INSANE to compare him to Polanski. Polanski drugged and raped a child. Bertolucci didn't tell an actress how far they were gonna go in a 100% SIMULATED sex scene where none of the "explicit changes" he made were actually performed on her. One's a vile crime, the other is vile UNPROFESSIONALISM at worst. Honestly, I know what he did to Schneider could be seen as a bit more inappropriate and traumatizing than what Kubrick did to Duvall, but THAT is a 100% more fair and similar comparison than Polanski. Only in this cancerous social media SJW-infected "cancel culture" world can anyone compare Bertolucci to Polanski on a personal level and not be laughed off as a š¤”. |
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 13, 2024 18:34:44 GMT
To answer the OP: He made several truly great films, and LAST TANGO contains probably the most extraordinary performance of GOAT Brando's career (and an all-time Top 5 performance), but I'll always have to go with THE DREAMERS.
I saw it in theaters as a college freshman, and it just hit personally in all the right ways. The coming-of-age story, the "making friends abroad", the connecting through a mutual love of film, the sexual awakening. It's just a haunting, poetic, deeply moving, beautiful piece of work. It's currently somewhere between 101 and 110 in my all-time list, but there was a time it was solidly in my Top 100. Just... *Chef's Kiss"! š¤©
But THE CONFORMIST, THE LAST EMPEROR and LAST TANGO are all amazing as well.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 13, 2024 21:27:44 GMT
doesn't get much better than The Conformist.
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Post by Kings_Requiem on Jul 13, 2024 21:30:14 GMT
1900
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Post by thelistenercanon on Jul 13, 2024 22:31:11 GMT
š“š“š“ Yawn! Get over it! It was a SIMULATED sex scene. Maria Schneider said she didn't knew he and Brando were going to stick butter in her and she felt kind of raped. I'm sorry, but that's very unprofessional and creepy for both of them! |
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 14, 2024 0:04:16 GMT
š“š“š“ Yawn! Get over it! It was a SIMULATED sex scene. Maria Schneider said she didn't knew he and Brando were going to stick butter in her and she felt kind of raped. I'm sorry, but that's very unprofessional and creepy for both of them!Ā CORRECTION: They didn't tell her they were gonna SIMULATE sticking butter in her. It's a huge distinction. Brando did NOT actually stick butter inside her. This story is always reported incorrectly. Schneider felt a line was crossed cuz they didn't tell her they were gonna simulate that, NOT cuz they actually did it. If you want to say not telling her is STILL creepy and unprofessional, I wouldn't disagree with that, but it's a HUGE distinction from what you falsely accused them of and, again, beyond insane to compare him to Polanski. His treatment of Schneider is more akin to Kubrick's treatment of Duvall. Unprofessional and appalling, but NOT criminal. |
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Jul 14, 2024 0:56:39 GMT
Just to clarify - I was not comparing Bertolucciās actions to Polanskiās; rather, I was saying that I respect a personās choice not to watch his films, as I do with someoneās choice not to watch Polanskiās films, even though they are two of my favorite directors.
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Post by sophiefox on Jul 15, 2024 6:22:39 GMT
Just to clarify - I was not comparing Bertolucciās actions to Polanskiās; rather, I was saying that I respect a personās choice not to watch his films, as I do with someoneās choice not to watch Polanskiās films, even though they are two of my favorite directors. and that's fair enough. to me, a lot of Bertolucci's later films are films of a creepy old man only a creepy old man could make, cases in point Last Tango, Stealing Beauty, Me and You, 1900 that said, i found The Conformist pretty to look at but incredibly shallow. there's nothing but emptiness beneath a beautiful coat of paint, and as a result i found it impossible to emotionally connect with the whole thing. i'm sorry i didn't mean to come here just to shit on your thread or anything, just wanted to be more elaborate after my initial (emotionally charged) diss. my fav film from him tho i think would be The Last Emperor. my uncle showed this film to me when i was little and i liked it ever since. |
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jul 15, 2024 10:17:56 GMT
Just to clarify - I was not comparing Bertolucciās actions to Polanskiās; rather, I was saying that I respect a personās choice not to watch his films, as I do with someoneās choice not to watch Polanskiās films, even though they are two of my favorite directors. and that's fair enough. to me, a lot of Bertolucci's later films are films of a creepy old man only a creepy old man could make, cases in point Last Tango, Stealing Beauty, Me and You, 1900 that said, i found The Conformist pretty to look at but incredibly shallow. there's nothing but emptinessĀ beneath a beautiful coat of paint, and as a result i found it impossible to emotionally connect with the whole thing. i'm sorry i didn't mean to come here just to shit on your thread or anything, just wanted to be more elaborate after my initial (emotionally charged) diss. my fav film from him tho i think would be The Last Emperor. my uncle showed this film to me when i was little and i liked it ever since. He was only 30 when he made LAST TANGO, and 34 when he made 1900, so your "creepy old man" argument falls apart immediately when you use those examples. Also, neither of those could be considered his "later films." |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 15, 2024 10:49:30 GMT
and that's fair enough. to me, a lot of Bertolucci's later films are films of a creepy old man only a creepy old man could make, cases in point Last Tango, Stealing Beauty, Me and You, 1900 that said, i found The Conformist pretty to look at but incredibly shallow. there's nothing but emptiness beneath a beautiful coat of paint, and as a result i found it impossible to emotionally connect with the whole thing. i'm sorry i didn't mean to come here just to shit on your thread or anything, just wanted to be more elaborate after my initial (emotionally charged) diss. my fav film from him tho i think would be The Last Emperor. my uncle showed this film to me when i was little and i liked it ever since.
He was only 30 when he made LAST TANGO, and 34 when he made 1900, so your "creepy old man" argument falls apart immediately when you use those examples. Also, neither of those could be considered his "later films." There's a fascinating question about Bertolucci - and his techiques - and ideas on performance(s) - about whether that is the "first" - or at least "most famous" example of an actor being pushed to make the character so much more personal and revealing about himself and less "fictional" like a charcter to hide behind The performance is obviously all-timer incredible - but the fact that on some level Brando was pushed to deliver it and that he was willing to be pushed - and collaborated on being pushed - by a guy so young - is one of the movies small miracles really It totally contradicts the Brando was "lazy" narrative  |
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Post by sophiefox on Jul 15, 2024 18:18:54 GMT
and that's fair enough. to me, a lot of Bertolucci's later films are films of a creepy old man only a creepy old man could make, cases in point Last Tango, Stealing Beauty, Me and You, 1900 that said, i found The Conformist pretty to look at but incredibly shallow. there's nothing but emptiness beneath a beautiful coat of paint, and as a result i found it impossible to emotionally connect with the whole thing. i'm sorry i didn't mean to come here just to shit on your thread or anything, just wanted to be more elaborate after my initial (emotionally charged) diss. my fav film from him tho i think would be The Last Emperor. my uncle showed this film to me when i was little and i liked it ever since. He was only 30 when he made LAST TANGO, and 34 when he made 1900, so your "creepy old man" argument falls apart immediately when you use those examples. Also, neither of those could be considered his "later films." whatever. get off my back already |
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Post by tep on Jul 15, 2024 18:21:58 GMT
For me it's The Conformist and it's not close
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Post by taranofprydain on Jul 18, 2024 5:31:15 GMT
I'll rank the films of his I have seen..
The Conformist
The Last Emperor
The Dreamers
The Sheltering Sky
Last Tango in Paris
Tragedy of a Ridiculous Man
Little Buddha
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jul 18, 2024 6:05:39 GMT
Oh honey, The Last Emperor is a masterpiece, even if just for the location.
I also quite like The Sheltering Sky also.
None of these movies contain butter. Does anyone know if it was unpasteurized?
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