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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 18, 2024 19:34:26 GMT
Let's put them here. Please mention the movie and performance.
LEAD Marin Ireland - Birth/Rebirth 2-0 Jason Clarke - The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial 5-0 George Mackay - Femme 2-0 Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers 12-1
SUPPORTING David Girard - The Artifice Girl 0-4 Sinda Nichols - The Artifice Girl 0-4 Glenn Howerton - Blackberry 4-5 Dar Salim - The Covenant 0-3 Anne Hathaway - Eileen 0-6 Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon 4-9 Charles Melton - May December 3-9 Julianne Moore - May December 0-12 Cate Blanchett - The New Boy 2-3 Jodie Foster - Nyad 0-8 Adele Exarchopoulos - Passages 0-7 Ben Whishaw - Passages 0-7 Amanda Collin - The Promised Land 1-6 Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest 2-10
TIES (although I'm willing to move my Artifice votes to supporting) Tatum Matthews - The Artifice Girl 2-2 Franklin Ritch - The Artifice Girl 2-2 Juliette Binoche - The Taste of Things 4-4
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 18, 2024 19:40:54 GMT
The Artifice Girl David Girard Tatum Matthews Sinda Nichols Franklin Ritch
The Covenant Dar Salim
The Promised Land Amanda Collin
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Post by stephen on Jun 18, 2024 19:48:43 GMT
These are the ones that I think arguments can be made for either:
Glenn Howerton, Blackberry Dominic Sessa, The Holdovers (well, this is clearly lead but you know how some people are) Charles Melton, May December Lily Gladstone, Killers of the Flower Moon Jason Clarke, The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial George Mackay, Femme Cate Blanchett, The New Boy Jodie Foster, Nyad
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Post by DanQuixote on Jun 18, 2024 21:40:22 GMT
Samdra Hüller - The Zone of Interest Ben Whishaw and Adèle Exarchopoulos - Passages Julianne Mooee and Charles Melton - May December
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Post by tylosaur on Jun 18, 2024 22:19:42 GMT
Getting the ![:popcorn:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/6p8kuIGz_6IjoVnvBOqc.gif) ready for the Gladstone lead/supporting results. I'm fascinated in seeing the The Artifice Girl placements. I have my stance but I think it's one of the more every-answer-is-equally-the-right-answer there's been for performance category placements. Everyone's already mentioned what I was going to throw out there. Maybe Juliette Binoche The Taste of Things? I think she's clearly supporting but I believe she won a couple of lead critics awards so want to throw her name out there just in case.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 19, 2024 0:47:21 GMT
I'm fascinated in seeing the The Artifice Girl placements. I have my stance but I think it's one of the more every-answer-is-equally-the-right-answer there's been for performance category placements. I'm not at all sure myself of where I place them. Girard - Despite having the same number of lines and screen time as anyone else(?), his character always comes off as secondary to Nichols for me - he exists for her development, if that makes sense. I have him as supporting. Matthews - pretty much absent for the first act, a key part of the second, dominates the third. I think the third act puts her into lead, but it isn't 100% clear. Nichols - She's secondary to Ritch in act 1, but the cops take more of a center stage in act 2. It's very, very borderline for me, but I lean towards supporting. Ritch - He's essentially the lead of act 1, but his importance begins to wane in act 2 before he pretty much disappears from the story in act 3. I tend to think of him as lead, but dang is that a tough call.
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Post by DanQuixote on Jun 19, 2024 8:50:47 GMT
Getting the ![:popcorn:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/6p8kuIGz_6IjoVnvBOqc.gif) ready for the Gladstone lead/supporting results. I'm fascinated in seeing the The Artifice Girl placements. I have my stance but I think it's one of the more every-answer-is-equally-the-right-answer there's been for performance category placements. Everyone's already mentioned what I was going to throw out there. Maybe Juliette Binoche The Taste of Things? I think she's clearly supporting but I believe she won a couple of lead critics awards so want to throw her name out there just in case. Oh I think Binoche is leading, so we’ll definitely to debate that one haha.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 19, 2024 16:08:14 GMT
Marin Ireland in Birth/Rebirth, I guess Anne Hathaway in Eileen, but no one else comes to mind that hasn't already been mentioned. Gladstone is the only really divisive pick this year in terms of placement.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 19, 2024 16:13:01 GMT
I never clocked Jodie Foster as anything other than supporting and still don't but she does have a LOT of screentime, almost 50% at just over an hour. In a different narrative dynamic that'd be more than enough for her to be co-lead, but Nyad is clearly Bening's show. she's more lead than Gladstone anyways ![:uhoh:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/c8bbBnLz3a98Jzy_29H2.gif)
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Post by stephen on Jun 19, 2024 16:40:22 GMT
I never clocked Jodie Foster as anything other than supporting and still don't but she does have a LOT of screentime, almost 50% at just over an hour. In a different narrative dynamic that'd be more than enough for her to be co-lead, but Nyad is clearly Bening's show. she's more lead than Gladstone anyways ![:uhoh:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/c8bbBnLz3a98Jzy_29H2.gif) I would say Foster is definitively supporting because that is her function to the story, and yet she is still more of a leading character in her film than Gladstone is in theirs, because Killers deliberately marginalizes Mollie to emphasize Ernest. If you think Gladstone is lead based on screentime, you have to consider De Niro as lead as well because he only has nine minutes less screentime than Gladstone does. If you think Gladstone is lead based on plot importance, again, De Niro has just as much importance to the overall story as Mollie does because he is the one who is driving the actions of the story even if we never see the film from his perspective, and he dominates the scenes he's in that has everyone else act in reaction to him. Gladstone's supporting. The role of Mollie Kyle should be a lead one, but Scorsese and DiCaprio made a creative choice to focus on the killers more than the Osage. If defenders of this decision stand by that, then they have to consider Gladstone as a supporting character, or at least consider De Niro a co-lead alongside them. But if you think Gladstone is lead, then Jodie Foster should also be lead by that metric.
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Post by tylosaur on Jun 19, 2024 21:32:18 GMT
I'm fascinated in seeing the The Artifice Girl placements. I have my stance but I think it's one of the more every-answer-is-equally-the-right-answer there's been for performance category placements. I'm not at all sure myself of where I place them. Girard - Despite having the same number of lines and screen time as anyone else(?), his character always comes off as secondary to Nichols for me - he exists for her development, if that makes sense. I have him as supporting. Matthews - pretty much absent for the first act, a key part of the second, dominates the third. I think the third act puts her into lead, but it isn't 100% clear. Nichols - She's secondary to Ritch in act 1, but the cops take more of a center stage in act 2. It's very, very borderline for me, but I lean towards supporting. Ritch - He's essentially the lead of act 1, but his importance begins to wane in act 2 before he pretty much disappears from the story in act 3. I tend to think of him as lead, but dang is that a tough call. I think I've been swaying towards Matthews and... maybe Ritch as leads and the rest supporting. Initially it feels like we are going to following Nichols perspective but as the film morphs, we get away from seeing the story through her perspective. I'm right there with you on Girard, the screentime is there but the journey we have with him is secondary. He's almost like a Purple Kelly in Survivor, there for much of it but in the backseat of this film's narrative. I think the Cherry and Gareth characters are enough of a throughline for all 3 acts for me to consider them leads, especially Matthews. But does that also mean Henriksen is a lead even though he's only in one of the acts? Ultimately, it might make sense to just say everyone's supporting like people do with Altman films. Normally I like planting a flag one way or the other on this stuff but the case for either side on this is so malleable for me, that I'll just roll with anyone who wants to take a stand on whatever placement.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 25, 2024 0:01:49 GMT
The List
David Girard - The Artifice Girl Tatum Matthews - The Artifice Girl Sinda Nichols - The Artifice Girl Franklin Ritch - The Artifice Girl Marin Ireland - Birth/Rebirth Glenn Howerton - Blackberry Jason Clarke - The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial Dar Salim - The Covenant Anne Hathaway - Eileen George Mackay - Femme Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon Charles Melton - May December Julianne Moore - May December Cate Blanchett - The New Boy Jodie Foster - Nyad Adele Exarchopoulos - Passages Ben Whishaw - Passages Amanda Collin - The Promised Land Juliette Binoche - The Taste of Things Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest
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Post by mhynson27 on Jun 25, 2024 0:47:25 GMT
Glenn Howerton - Blackberry- SUPPORTING Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers- LEAD Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon- SUPPORTING Charles Melton - May December- SUPPORTING Julianne Moore - May December- SUPPORTING Cate Blanchett - The New Boy- SUPPORTING Jodie Foster - Nyad- SUPPORTING Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest- SUPPORTING
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Post by JangoB on Jun 25, 2024 1:03:28 GMT
Jason Clarke - The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial - LEAD (I think... can't quite remember tbh ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/MZ2eSp2yC2LljdVTLpdl.gif) ) Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers - LEAD Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon - SUPPORTING Charles Melton - May December - SUPPORTING Julianne Moore - May December - SUPPORTING Cate Blanchett - The New Boy - SUPPORTING Jodie Foster - Nyad - SUPPORTING Amanda Collin - The Promised Land - SUPPORTING Juliette Binoche - The Taste of Things - SUPPORTING Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest - SUPPORTING
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 25, 2024 1:22:09 GMT
David Girard - The Artifice Girl - SUPPORTING Tatum Matthews - The Artifice Girl - LEAD Sinda Nichols - The Artifice Girl- SUPPORTING Franklin Ritch - The Artifice Girl - LEAD Jason Clarke - The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial - LEEEEAD? (I'm still debating with myself) Dar Salim - The Covenant - SUPPORTING Charles Melton - May December - SUPPORTING Julianne Moore - May December - SUPPORTING Amanda Collin - The Promised Land - SUPPORTING Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest - SUPPORTING
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Post by tylosaur on Jun 25, 2024 20:54:12 GMT
David Girard - The Artifice Girl - SUPPORTING Tatum Matthews - The Artifice Girl - LEAD Sinda Nichols - The Artifice Girl - SUPPORTING Franklin Ritch - The Artifice Girl - LEAD Marin Ireland - Birth/Rebirth - LEAD Glenn Howerton - Blackberry - LEAD Anne Hathaway - Eileen - SUPPORTING Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers - LEAD Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon - SUPPORTING Charles Melton - May December - SUPPORTING Julianne Moore - May December - SUPPORTING Jodie Foster - Nyad - SUPPORTING Adele Exarchopoulos - Passages - SUPPORTING Ben Whishaw - Passages - SUPPORTING Amanda Collin - The Promised Land - SUPPORTING Juliette Binoche - The Taste of Things - SUPPORTING Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest - SUPPORTING
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Post by stephen on Jun 25, 2024 20:58:26 GMT
LEAD: Glenn Howerton - Blackberry Jason Clarke - The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial George Mackay - Femme Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers Charles Melton - May December Cate Blanchett - The New Boy
SUPPORTING: David Girard - The Artifice Girl Tatum Matthews - The Artifice Girl Sinda Nichols - The Artifice Girl Franklin Ritch - The Artifice Girl Anne Hathaway - Eileen Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon Julianne Moore - May December Jodie Foster - Nyad Adele Exarchopoulos - Passages Ben Whishaw - Passages Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 26, 2024 0:09:42 GMT
LEAD Marin Ireland - Birth/Rebirth Jason Clarke - The Caine Mutiny Court-Martial George Mackay - Femme Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers
SUPPORTING Glenn Howerton - Blackberry Dar Salim - The Covenant Anne Hathaway - Eileen Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon Charles Melton - May December Julianne Moore - May December Cate Blanchett - The New Boy Jodie Foster - Nyad Adele Exarchopoulos - Passages Ben Whishaw - Passages Amanda Collin - The Promised Land Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest Juliette Binoche - The Taste of Things
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Post by stabcaesar on Jun 26, 2024 5:59:26 GMT
Lead Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers Cate Blanchett - The New Boy Amanda Collin - The Promised Land Juliette Binoche - The Taste of Things
Supporting Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest Jodie Foster - Nyad Adele Exarchopoulos - Passages Ben Whishaw - Passages Charles Melton - May December Julianne Moore - May December Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon
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Post by avnermoriarti on Jun 26, 2024 6:21:12 GMT
LEAD Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers Juliette Binoche - The Taste of Things Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest
SUPPORTING Glenn Howerton - Blackberry Dar Salim - The Covenant Anne Hathaway - Eileen Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon Charles Melton - May December Julianne Moore - May December Jodie Foster - Nyad Adele Exarchopoulos - Passages Ben Whishaw - Passages Amanda Collin - The Promised Land
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 28, 2024 3:24:49 GMT
LEAD: Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers
SUPPORTING: Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon Jodie Foster - Nyad Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest Glenn Howerton - BlackBerry
I need to watch the rest
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Post by finniussnrub on Jun 28, 2024 12:20:47 GMT
Could someone argue to me your placement for Howerton in supporting? The film follows his actions in the company along with Baruchel's every step of the way, it consistently portrays it as a partnership, we see what Howerton is doing from his perspective (without Baruchel around), he even has personal moments that technically are related only to his character, aka those related to his hockey obsession. We see the actions of both men in creating the rise and fall of Blackberry, not just Baruchel's character.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jun 28, 2024 14:11:47 GMT
Glenn Howerton - Blackberry Lead Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers Lead Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon Lead Charles Melton - May December Lead Julianne Moore - May December Supporting Adele Exarchopoulos - Passages Supporting Ben Whishaw - Passages Supporting Juliette Binoche - The Taste of Things Lead Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest Supporting
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 28, 2024 15:56:29 GMT
Could someone argue to me your placement for Howerton in supporting? The film follows his actions in the company along with Baruchel's every step of the way, it consistently portrays it as a partnership, we see what Howerton is doing from his perspective (without Baruchel around), he even has personal moments that technically are related only to his character, aka those related to his hockey obsession. We see the actions of both men in creating the rise and fall of Blackberry, not just Baruchel's character. I know he's borderline but remember feeling Baruchel was more lead. Don't have an argument for it, but he doesn't come close to top 7 in my lineups so if it comes down to one vote I don't mind changing. Same with Binoche. Benoît Magimel was the MVP of Taste of Things.
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Post by dadsburgers on Jun 29, 2024 6:31:12 GMT
Glenn Howerton - Blackberry: SUPPORTING
Dominic Sessa - The Holdovers: SUPPORTING
Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon: LEAD
Charles Melton - May December: SUPPORTING
Julianne Moore - May December: SUPPORTING
Sandra Huller - The Zone of Interest: SUPPORTING
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