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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 18, 2024 1:09:21 GMT
Bad Boys: Ride Or Die has proved to be a global box office hit, so any thoughts of Will Smith being "cancelled" because of some pearl clutching types in Hollywood and the media can be put to rest. He's still an A-lister for audiences.
But what do you think he should be doing for the next couple of years, project wise. He's on the outs with the Academy, but I don't think that should stop him from doing interesting prestige projects (like The Council, where he was supposed to play drug Lord Nicky Barnes). I mean, he's got the Oscar and the acting respect, so he doesn't really need to chase it any longer.
I guess the obvious route is to stick to the many franchises he's been part of that people love. Bad Boys, Men In Black, potentially I Am Legend 2 and Aladdin 2. But hopefully he mixes it up with some more interesting projects.
Thoughts?
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Post by futuretrunks on Jun 18, 2024 2:30:01 GMT
He should pivot and start working with top directors who'll have him. Mining his 90s hits isn't going to work. Bad Boys 4 could have been a mega-hit if it was remotely as good as the first two. He's just in too many mid movies, like The Rock (the actor/wrestler, not the movie), who modeled himself largely after Will. Call Christopher Nolan. Call Spielberg.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jun 18, 2024 2:44:11 GMT
Would love to see him finally work with Spike Lee. That would be pretty awesome.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 18, 2024 2:50:06 GMT
He should pivot and start working with top directors who'll have him. Mining his 90s hits isn't going to work. Bad Boys 4 could have been a mega-hit if it was remotely as good as the first two. He's just in too many mid movies, like The Rock (the actor/wrestler, not the movie), who modeled himself largely after Will. Call Christopher Nolan. Call Spielberg. Not sure I get this take. Bad Boys 4 is going to be as big a hit as is possible to be for the 4th installment of an R-rated formulaic buddy cop action comedy. I don't get this....is it supposed to make a billion dollars or something? By the standards of this summer, it's already a mega hit. Also, I think mining his 90's hits (and hit's from the 2000's...forgot Hancock as well) will work very well for him. What do you think Tom Cruise has been doing so successfully. You can't compare The Rock to him. Smith may not have a lot of cinephile approved "masterpieces" to his name, but he has a lot of films audiences genuinely love, have stood the test of time and regard as classics. Most of Rock's films don't have the shelf life of Smith's movies. I do agree that working with top directors would be a positive thing and a good idea, but I can understand if he pulls a Cruise and just concentrates on his familiar franchises. His enemies in Hollywood showed themselves after "The slap", and he has little room for error. By being a hit machine, he'll pretty much be bulletproof. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Jun 18, 2024 5:13:43 GMT
He should pivot and start working with top directors who'll have him. Mining his 90s hits isn't going to work. Bad Boys 4 could have been a mega-hit if it was remotely as good as the first two. He's just in too many mid movies, like The Rock (the actor/wrestler, not the movie), who modeled himself largely after Will. Call Christopher Nolan. Call Spielberg. Not sure I get this take. Bad Boys 4 is going to be as big a hit as is possible to be for the 4th installment of an R-rated formulaic buddy cop action comedy. I don't get this....is it supposed to make a billion dollars or something? By the standards of this summer, it's already a mega hit. Also, I think mining his 90's hits (and hit's from the 2000's...forgot Hancock as well) will work very well for him. What do you think Tom Cruise has been doing so successfully. You can't compare The Rock to him. Smith may not have a lot of cinephile approved "masterpieces" to his name, but he has a lot of films audiences genuinely love, have stood the test of time and regard as classics. Most of Rock's films don't have the shelf life of Smith's movies. I do agree that working with top directors would be a positive thing and a good idea, but I can understand if he pulls a Cruise and just concentrates on his familiar franchises. His enemies in Hollywood showed themselves after "The slap", and he has little room for error. By being a hit machine, he'll pretty much be bulletproof. Bad Boys 4 is proof that people don't hate Will Smith for slapping Chris Rock, but it's a fraction of something like Top Gun Maverick, which came out post-pandemic just a couple years ago. Is Smith capable of that? I don't think so. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 18, 2024 8:36:34 GMT
Not sure I get this take. Bad Boys 4 is going to be as big a hit as is possible to be for the 4th installment of an R-rated formulaic buddy cop action comedy. I don't get this....is it supposed to make a billion dollars or something? By the standards of this summer, it's already a mega hit. Also, I think mining his 90's hits (and hit's from the 2000's...forgot Hancock as well) will work very well for him. What do you think Tom Cruise has been doing so successfully. You can't compare The Rock to him. Smith may not have a lot of cinephile approved "masterpieces" to his name, but he has a lot of films audiences genuinely love, have stood the test of time and regard as classics. Most of Rock's films don't have the shelf life of Smith's movies. I do agree that working with top directors would be a positive thing and a good idea, but I can understand if he pulls a Cruise and just concentrates on his familiar franchises. His enemies in Hollywood showed themselves after "The slap", and he has little room for error. By being a hit machine, he'll pretty much be bulletproof. Bad Boys 4 is proof that people don't hate Will Smith for slapping Chris Rock, but it's a fraction of something like Top Gun Maverick, which came out post-pandemic just a couple years ago. Is Smith capable of that? I don't think so. Yeah, this makes no sense. Why would any Bad Boys movie be expected to make as much money as Top Gun: Maverick. The first Top Gun was a cultural phenomenon. The highest grossing movie of 1986 and adjusted for inflation, earned nearly a billion dollars worldwide. The first Bad Boys did well, but nothing compared to the first Top Gun. For years, it was mostly seen as a lesser version of the Lethal Weapon films, but with two black leads. It's never had close to the popularity or appeal of Top Gun. Bad Boys: Ride Or Die is probably on track to make 450 million + dollars. For the type of franchise it is, that's a great haul and result. You put Smith in Independence Day 2, another Men In Black Or Aladdin 2, then I'd say yeah, a billion + grosser would be a realistic expectation based on the popularity, box office haul and broader appeal of the first movies. |
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Post by franklin on Jun 18, 2024 9:01:52 GMT
I'm interested in how well will I Am Legend 2 perform.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jun 18, 2024 9:26:10 GMT
Why should this surprise anyone? He's an all time Top 10 box office actor:
Here's the grand list
1. John Wayne
2. Tom Cruise
3. Harrison Ford
4. Johnny Depp
5. Tom Hanks
6. Angelina Jolie
7. Denzel Washington
8. Julia Roberts
9. Will Smith
10. Sandra Bullock
Nitpick the order if you want but those are the Top 10
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Post by franklin on Jun 18, 2024 10:12:56 GMT
Denzel Washington didn't gross more than DiCaprio or Pitt.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jun 18, 2024 20:26:31 GMT
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Post by futuretrunks on Jun 19, 2024 0:10:15 GMT
Bad Boys 4 is proof that people don't hate Will Smith for slapping Chris Rock, but it's a fraction of something like Top Gun Maverick, which came out post-pandemic just a couple years ago. Is Smith capable of that? I don't think so. Yeah, this makes no sense. Why would any Bad Boys movie be expected to make as much money as Top Gun: Maverick. The first Top Gun was a cultural phenomenon. The highest grossing movie of 1986 and adjusted for inflation, earned nearly a billion dollars worldwide. The first Bad Boys did well, but nothing compared to the first Top Gun. For years, it was mostly seen as a lesser version of the Lethal Weapon films, but with two black leads. It's never had close to the popularity or appeal of Top Gun. Bad Boys: Ride Or Die is probably on track to make 450 million + dollars. For the type of franchise it is, that's a great haul and result. You put Smith in Independence Day 2, another Men In Black Or Aladdin 2, then I'd say yeah, a billion + grosser would be a realistic expectation based on the popularity, box office haul and broader appeal of the first movies. It's not expected to make Maverick money, I'm just clarifying that the gross isn't that impressive to me. It's fine, and Smith is still a star that can get butts in seats, but does he generate fresh hits anymore? Hitch? Independence Day? Men in Black? etc. Him having only legacy sequels, Disney live-action remakes, straight to streaming movies, etc. is clear evidence that his career has taken a big hit even before the Chris Rock slap. Your career inevitably turns to shit when you don't believe directors matter and that you can reverse-engineer movies. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 19, 2024 2:56:27 GMT
Yeah, this makes no sense. Why would any Bad Boys movie be expected to make as much money as Top Gun: Maverick. The first Top Gun was a cultural phenomenon. The highest grossing movie of 1986 and adjusted for inflation, earned nearly a billion dollars worldwide. The first Bad Boys did well, but nothing compared to the first Top Gun. For years, it was mostly seen as a lesser version of the Lethal Weapon films, but with two black leads. It's never had close to the popularity or appeal of Top Gun. Bad Boys: Ride Or Die is probably on track to make 450 million + dollars. For the type of franchise it is, that's a great haul and result. You put Smith in Independence Day 2, another Men In Black Or Aladdin 2, then I'd say yeah, a billion + grosser would be a realistic expectation based on the popularity, box office haul and broader appeal of the first movies. It's not expected to make Maverick money, I'm just clarifying that the gross isn't that impressive to me. It's fine, and Smith is still a star that can get butts in seats, but does he generate fresh hits anymore? Hitch? Independence Day? Men in Black? etc. Him having only legacy sequels, Disney live-action remakes, straight to streaming movies, etc. is clear evidence that his career has taken a big hit even before the Chris Rock slap. Your career inevitably turns to shit when you don't believe directors matter and that you can reverse-engineer movies. Well, who does generate fresh hits anymore? |
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jun 19, 2024 3:11:45 GMT
You put Smith in Independence Day 2, another Men In Black Or Aladdin 2 , then I'd say yeah, a billion + grosser would be a realistic expectation based on the popularity, box office haul and broader appeal of the first movies. *  |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 19, 2024 5:14:35 GMT
You put Smith in Independence Day 2, another Men In Black Or Aladdin 2 , then I'd say yeah, a billion + grosser would be a realistic expectation based on the popularity, box office haul and broader appeal of the first movies. * Jeez, I forgot that even existed  . One of the most bizarre phenomenas in Hollywood was the belief in that brief insane period where studios thought Will Smith could be replaced by the Hemsworth brothers in sequels to some of his biggest movies, without expecting them to flop. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jun 19, 2024 12:14:35 GMT
Franklin, dude. Leo is not responsible for all the numbers his movies get. Those are big movies.
Also, this might be veering off topic but Will Smith means much more to me DiOverratio.
Only this board and some really man-bro forums thinks DiCaprio movies are so much more interesting than Will Smith's.
I strongly fail to see that. Will Smith is a superior entertainer than DiCaprio...I rather watch him anyday.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jun 19, 2024 23:07:50 GMT
Franklin, dude. Leo is not responsible for all the numbers his movies get. Those are big movies. Also, this might be veering off topic but Will Smith means much more to me DiOverratio. Only this board and some really man-bro forums thinks DiCaprio movies are so much more interesting than Will Smith's. I strongly fail to see that. Will Smith is a superior entertainer than DiCaprio...I rather watch him anyday. That's nuts. Will Smith has been in like 9 good movies; his career has not been interesting at all for a good 16 years. |
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Post by flasuss on Jun 23, 2024 23:24:30 GMT
If I were him, I would go the prestige route, something like a miniseries for streaming or HBO.
He isn't getting any younger. Getting the Oscar was supposed to have him move to the prestigious thespian list, have him get roles that would go to actors seen as more serious, because he can't keep making Men in Black and Bad Boys forever. Then the slap happened.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Jun 26, 2024 2:18:57 GMT
Franklin, dude. Leo is not responsible for all the numbers his movies get. Those are big movies. Also, this might be veering off topic but Will Smith means much more to me DiOverratio. Only this board and some really man-bro forums thinks DiCaprio movies are so much more interesting than Will Smith's. I strongly fail to see that. Will Smith is a superior entertainer than DiCaprio...I rather watch him anyday. You're such an insufferable DOPE. No one with a semblance of knowledge of acting thinks Smith is even HALF the brilliant actor Leo is. And DiCaprio's 6th best movie is like TEN TIMES better than Cucky Willy's very best. Which I guess is...the first MIB? Wow, what a masterpiece! 🤣🤣 But oh well, I guess it's good you've moved from election denying to unintentionally funny dogshit movie tastes. |
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