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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 28, 2024 20:52:45 GMT
Might as well do something different in the sports thread ......looking back on their careers who would ypu pick between 'em - you can only pick 1? Each have won 4 titles.......afaik .......
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Post by ibbi on Apr 28, 2024 20:57:55 GMT
I hate to give Lebron credit, but Fuck Shooters.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 28, 2024 21:02:35 GMT
Curry but neither are in the all-time Top 10
Due to the vast decline in viewing quality and the decline of the "real" style of basketball being played to the truest nature after Jordan, players after 1998 are an inherent disadvantage in their claim to all time great status.
But I'll say Curry here because LeBron's failure in building a championship team with 4 or 5 all star talents around him is truly a mark of historical significance.
Where Curry was part of successful championship rosters with different headlining players.
And also the obvious is that Curry owns LeBron head to head.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 28, 2024 21:11:19 GMT
There's no firm argument for Curry over LeBron. LeBron was more consistently dominant for a much longer span of time with more varied supporting casts and coaching. Curry is maybe my favorite player to watch in my lifetime, but his legacy will be fringe top 10 while LeBron's is whether or not the totality of his career puts him above Jordan.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 28, 2024 21:17:48 GMT
The even thought of putting LeBron over Jordan lmao
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 28, 2024 21:23:24 GMT
The even thought of putting LeBron over Jordan lmao Hey, I don't but it's a legit debate.
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Post by dazed on Apr 28, 2024 22:00:09 GMT
yeah lebron and it’s not even debatable. although i do like curry better (one of my favorite players). never been a fan of lebron. probs doesn’t help he fucked up my celtics numerous times in the playoffs.
curry is more influential in regard to how he changed the game (which is one of the best arguments for his all time ranking), but lebrons longevity and peak > currys longevity and peak
also both are arguably top 10, but lebron being top 10 isn’t even arguable at this point imo. for the majority of fans and players, it’s him and jordan as the top 2.
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Post by ibbi on Apr 28, 2024 22:05:55 GMT
But I'll say Curry here because LeBron's failure in building a championship team with 4 or 5 all star talents around him is truly a mark of historical significance. I don't understand what you mean here, please expand! Maybe there is a typo or something. Lebron's first two titles are whatever, but the last two are both pretty epic, with the third being obviously one of the great title wins in sports. Curry's last one was amazing, but those two in the middle you can argue if he was even the number 1 guy on the team. They had to bring another guy into help because he got embarrassed in 2016. Again, just to be clear, fuck Lebron James. Though I do have to post one of my favourite sequences in recent memory.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Apr 28, 2024 22:13:06 GMT
The even thought of putting LeBron over Jordan lmao Hey, I don't but it's a legit debate. No it’s not
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 28, 2024 22:15:05 GMT
But I'll say Curry here because LeBron's failure in building a championship team with 4 or 5 all star talents around him is truly a mark of historical significance. Though I do have to post one of my favourite sequences in recent memory. I was too young for Jordan, so 2018 playoff LeBron James is the greatest basketball player I've ever seen. Just unbelievable.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 28, 2024 22:21:17 GMT
But I'll say Curry here because LeBron's failure in building a championship team with 4 or 5 all star talents around him is truly a mark of historical significance. I don't understand what you mean here, please expand! Maybe there is a typo or something. Lebron's first two titles are whatever, but the last two are both pretty epic, with the third being obviously one of the great title wins in sports. Curry's last one was amazing, but those two in the middle you can argue if he was even the number 1 guy on the team. They had to bring another guy into help because he got embarrassed in 2016. Again, just to be clear, fuck Lebron James. Though I do have to post one of my favourite sequences in recent memory. Ehhh I'm not a modern NBA guy so I don't care enough to argue this so I'm just gonna half ass this . But I'm mostly referring to LeBron during the last 2 Cav teams. If I remember correctly he had 5 all stars on those teams and still got destroyed by the Warriors. And same goes for some of those post-20 Laker teams can't win despite the starpower on those teams. I actually dont think the 2nd title was "meh". The Spurs are a legit team even if the Heat got really lucky, Kawhi missed a free throw otherwise Spurs looked like the better team all series. And I think the 4th title is pretty meh because the Heat with Butler are a sorry ass team that Jordan embarrasses off the court. History doesn't lie, ibbi. Curry owns LeBron no matter how you slice the cake, but hit me back once football season starts. I got much more to say about the NFL than NBA.
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Post by ibbi on Apr 28, 2024 22:21:34 GMT
Though I do have to post one of my favourite sequences in recent memory. I was too young for Jordan, so 2018 playoff LeBron James is the greatest basketball player I've ever seen. Just unbelievable. Yeah, that team was pretty bad by that point. I know the East was not exactly very good then, but still to go over the 1 and 2 seeds after that Indiana series and then score 50 in game 1 of the finals was pretty incredible. All to lead to this...
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 28, 2024 22:22:38 GMT
Hey, I don't but it's a legit debate. No it’s not Again, I'm on Jordan's side of the debate, but to say it's not a debate at this point is silly. LeBron has 4 rings on 3 different teams, the greatest comeback in NBA history, All-NBA for 2 decades. the all-time leading scorer in NBA history.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 28, 2024 22:29:45 GMT
I don't understand what you mean here, please expand! Maybe there is a typo or something. Lebron's first two titles are whatever, but the last two are both pretty epic, with the third being obviously one of the great title wins in sports. Curry's last one was amazing, but those two in the middle you can argue if he was even the number 1 guy on the team. They had to bring another guy into help because he got embarrassed in 2016. Again, just to be clear, fuck Lebron James. Though I do have to post one of my favourite sequences in recent memory. Ehhh I'm not a modern NBA guy so I don't care enough to argue this so I'm just gonna half ass this . But I'm mostly referring to LeBron during the last 2 Cav teams. If I remember correctly he had 5 all stars on those teams and still got destroyed by the Warriors. And same goes for some of those post-20 Laker teams can't win despite the starpower on those teams. I actually dont think the 2nd title was "meh". The Spurs are a legit team even if the Heat got really lucky, Kawhi missed a free throw otherwise Spurs looked like the better team all series. And I think the 4th title is pretty meh because the Heat with Butler are a sorry ass team that Jordan embarrasses off the court. History doesn't lie, ibbi. Curry owns LeBron no matter how you slice the cake, but hit me back once football season starts. I got much more to say about the NFL than NBA. Are you counting Kyle Korver and Deron Williams as the other All-Stars on those Cavs teams? Because if you are, that's pretty disingenuous. Not only were those All-Stars in years past, they were both role players off the bench for the Cavs. Meanwhile the Warriors were maybe the greatest team ever.
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Post by futuretrunks on Apr 28, 2024 22:32:13 GMT
Bron, though Curry revolutionized the game more in inspiring every team to develop their 3 point shooting. Curry's success (despite him being the greatest shooter of all time) is more uniquely team synergy driven than LeBron's, with figures like Klay and Draymond occupying major roles in him getting rings. I would rather play with Curry, though. LeBron being "the system" isn't winning basketball.
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Post by futuretrunks on Apr 28, 2024 22:45:35 GMT
Again, I'm on Jordan's side of the debate, but to say it's not a debate at this point is silly. LeBron has 4 rings on 3 different teams, the greatest comeback in NBA history, All-NBA for 2 decades. the all-time leading scorer in NBA history. Jordan had an unshakeable aura to him that's literally unique in NBA history. You look at someone like Bron and he doesn't have that. Prime Bron would be out there losing to Bird, Magic, Duncan, Shaq/Kobe, etc. the way you don't really believe MJ would in the 90s. I don't think LeBron would have been able to deal with Hakeem. LeBron's too shifty to be the GOAT.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 28, 2024 22:50:30 GMT
Bron, though Curry revolutionized the game more in inspiring every team to develop their 3 point shooting. Curry's success (despite him being the greatest shooter of all time) is more uniquely team synergy driven than LeBron's, with figures like Klay and Draymond occupying major roles in him getting rings. I would rather play with Curry, though. LeBron being "the system" isn't winning basketball. I'd agree with this. I always thought of LeBron as the greatest floor raiser in NBA history. His heliocentric style of offense ensures his team can get a good shot through his playmaking but it's hugely predictable for the defense so long as they have someone who can match up with LeBron (which is extremely rare, so it can still work). But that style has throughout his career meant the team craters whenever he's on the bench since the other players don't get touches outside of LeBron's playmaking - notice that all of LeBron's rings came when he had another elite ballhandler/playmaker (Wade on the Heat, Kyrie on the Cavs, Rondo on the Lakers) to help keep the offense running when LeBron needed a break. I've thought for years now one of the best things LeBron could do would be to develop his off-ball game to promote more motion on offense and develop the role players. He's naturally an elite cutter, but there's obvious discomfort for him in playing without the ball in his hands. Meanwhile that's Steph's greatest attribute aside from his shooting and vital to the development of Klay and Draymond as well as the elite benches the Warriors often had.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 28, 2024 22:56:41 GMT
Again, I'm on Jordan's side of the debate, but to say it's not a debate at this point is silly. LeBron has 4 rings on 3 different teams, the greatest comeback in NBA history, All-NBA for 2 decades. the all-time leading scorer in NBA history. Jordan had an unshakeable aura to him that's literally unique in NBA history. You look at someone like Bron and he doesn't have that. Prime Bron would be out there losing to Bird, Magic, Duncan, Shaq/Kobe, etc. the way you don't really believe MJ would in the 90s. I don't think LeBron would have been able to deal with Hakeem. LeBron's too shifty to be the GOAT. Yeah, Jordan was a superior intimidator. There wasn't going to be any idea that he could get clamped up by Jason Terry in the NBA Finals. LeBron I think did secure that aura, but it wasn't until after the 2016 Finals. The East all knew they didn't have a chance and the Warriors were so scared of losing to LeBron again they went out and get KD to take what was already an all-time team and make them unbeatable. But it took until almost the end of his prime to get to that level, whereas Jordan was so damn frightening even before he won a ring that the strategy for the Pistons was "just tackle him lol."
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Post by ibbi on Apr 28, 2024 23:05:15 GMT
Ehhh I'm not a modern NBA guy so I don't care enough to argue this so I'm just gonna half ass this . But I'm mostly referring to LeBron during the last 2 Cav teams. If I remember correctly he had 5 all stars on those teams and still got destroyed by the Warriors. And same goes for some of those post-20 Laker teams can't win despite the starpower on those teams. I actually dont think the 2nd title was "meh". The Spurs are a legit team even if the Heat got really lucky, Kawhi missed a free throw otherwise Spurs looked like the better team all series. And I think the 4th title is pretty meh because the Heat with Butler are a sorry ass team that Jordan embarrasses off the court. History doesn't lie, ibbi. Curry owns LeBron no matter how you slice the cake, but hit me back once football season starts. I got much more to say about the NFL than NBA. Fair enough, no arguing those Cavs teams were definitely not stacked beyond Kyrie and Love, and even then they were well overmatched by one of the greatest teams there ever was. When I say the second title is meh, I mean only as it relates to his individual greatness, because that old-ass Spurs team was also pretty overmatched by what the Heat had going on. His 4th title I just loved because of how relatively old school that side was. Starting 2 7-foot guys and dominating the paint in an age when we're told that's old fashioned and isn't going to work anymore. What a beautiful team. Again, Fuck Shooters.
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Post by countjohn on Apr 29, 2024 2:09:16 GMT
Don't really see an argument here, Lebron has solidified himself pretty well as no. 2 behind Jordan, maybe Wilt just due to the physical dominance in his own time is the only one I'd consider. Steph is in the 12-15 range. Both prolific scorers, but Lebron lasted a lot longer and is the better defender and playmaker, despite Steph being the one who plays point guard.
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 6, 2024 19:11:18 GMT
As Popovich would say: "We do the same boring thing every year"
That's LeBron James. So sick of longevity being thought of as some evolution stone. People in the past retired earlier and came into the league later.
Him overtaking Curry doesn't make him a taller midget.
Fuck this guy. Get him out of my town. He's failed here. Case closed. He can't resurrect it anymore.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jun 29, 2024 21:56:43 GMT
What about Kevin Durant?
Isn't Durant 27.3 ppg vs LeBron 27.1 ppg kinda the same? Except one has been here 5 years longer.
Id really like to know what the big difference between the 2 is. Fucking LeBron fanboys.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 29, 2024 23:04:24 GMT
What about Kevin Durant? Isn't Durant 27.3 ppg vs LeBron 27.1 ppg kinda the same? Except one has been here 5 years longer. Id really like to know what the big difference between the 2 is. Fucking LeBron fanboys. The difference is scoring is all Durant does, he's a mediocre defender and never led the league in assists (and it's not like he hasn't had teammates who can make shots).
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 29, 2024 23:18:57 GMT
What about Kevin Durant? Isn't Durant 27.3 ppg vs LeBron 27.1 ppg kinda the same? Except one has been here 5 years longer. Id really like to know what the big difference between the 2 is. Fucking LeBron fanboys. Scoring is literally the only advantage KD has over LeBron, and as you just pointed out that difference is negligible.
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