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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 3, 2024 17:21:33 GMT
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 3, 2024 17:25:44 GMT
always felt the Wackowskis were baked into the DNA of the Matrix but after Resurrections I'm ready for someone else to take the helm.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 3, 2024 18:15:26 GMT
Wachkowskis were visionaries. But I think their biggest thing i would say against them is they're always trying 750 ideas all at once, packed them into one movie, and that explains why the Matrix fans werent as into the sequels as the original.
But yeh, i think it's time to move on. Let's see another take.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 3, 2024 18:35:07 GMT
This just had a massively hyped 4th installment in 2021, that left a lot of fans underwhelmed.
There needs to be a lot of time away from this franchise. Maybe 10 years. Allow the nostalgia for the original film to build up again, because I feel like jumping back into the well so soon after the last one, if it isn't an absolute masterpiece, could finally kill any goodwill left for this franchise and world.
Short term greed will win out over long term planning and investment, but The Matrix is still potentially one of the biggest franchises in the world....If you don't keep killing the brand with mediocre installments.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 3, 2024 18:48:11 GMT
The original Matrix is a classic and besides Fight Club the main classic of 1999.
It's not going anywhere. Its gonna be and already is a classic regardless.
We can argue the sequels tho. Reloaded is half of a great movie..the first half sucked the 2nd half by itself could stand as a classic, just needed that to be the proper first half - while getting a new 2nd portion.
Revolutions and Resurrections.....eh not so much.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 3, 2024 18:59:28 GMT
Short term greed will win out over long term planning and investment, but The Matrix is still potentially one of the biggest franchises in the world....If you don't keep killing the brand with mediocre installments. what gives me hope is that this isn't a revamp commissioned by WB. Goddard approached them with his ideas and they went for it, and they had to really like what he was selling to greenlight it given how much they lost on Resurrections. Agree that it's risky so soon after Resurrections, and I'm not the biggest Goddard fan, but I'm cautiously optimistic. My hope is that he brings entirely new characters to build out the world and breathe new life into the franchise and WB could maybe give him a more moderate budget than they gave Lana. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 3, 2024 19:00:22 GMT
I'm probably one of the biggest fans of Resurrections here (I flat-out love it) and I wonder what new angle this franchise can take. Goddard gives me a touch of caution as I just don't know what vision he can bring to this kind of material which feels necessary given how strong of a voice the Wachowskis exhibited.
I think there becomes a bit of a challenge with any hero's journey narrative when it comes to where you evolve from there, and with The Matrix in particular it becomes how can you balance some of its headier thematic intent with the pure stylization and action appeal to maintain widespread public love. It's a balance the Wachowskis themselves could only nail once as they went a bit lofty with the thematic ambition in Reloaded, then leaned more on action with Revolutions (with the stupidly disastrous decision to keep most of that action out of the matrix itself), and then Lana said fuck choreography and went full hear on the sleeve with Resurrections.
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Post by stephen on Apr 3, 2024 19:07:01 GMT
For me, the Matrix films feel so inextricably linked to the Wachowskis because so much of it feels like a personal exploration of their identities and their evolution and transitions. Even if I feel like the films got increasingly more convoluted, overly reliant on Eastern mysticism and lost the stiletto-sharp sleekness of the original film, if taken as a whole they feel as autobiographical as something like The Fabelmans (and Resurrections feels like Lana's repudiation of the studio system and her dissatisfaction with her career path).
I don't know what any other filmmaker, Goddard or otherwise, could do in this sandbox to make it feel as personal a saga.
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Post by finniussnrub on Apr 3, 2024 19:48:12 GMT
Goddard could have a take in him, so why not? I mean there's literally one good Matrix film as this point. I would just rather he make a film perhaps with the idea of the Matrix but entirely do his own thing that isn't beholden to the lore of the previous films, which is just ridiculous at this point.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Apr 3, 2024 20:16:45 GMT
actually, now that I think about it. A Matrix limited series is a better idea. It's easier to get eyes (and WOM) for at-home streaming, and another BO bomb could be disastrous. Getting ppl to the theater is getting harder and harder.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Apr 3, 2024 21:57:35 GMT
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Apr 3, 2024 22:08:54 GMT
When the last good one was 25 years ago, it's usually best to let it end.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 3, 2024 22:36:25 GMT
I mean, sure, but I'm mostly surprised that WB is willing to do this at all. All the Matrix installments kept steadily disappointing the audiences after the first movie, and Resurrections (despite its title) seemed to have killed the franchise for good with its floppage both at the box office and with the viewers. Is anyone gonna care about a new Matrix movie at this point?
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 4, 2024 4:26:42 GMT
I'm probably one of the biggest fans of Resurrections here (I flat-out love it)  |
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Apr 4, 2024 10:22:31 GMT
The Matrix Resurrections was good, actually.
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