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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 9, 2024 20:43:19 GMT
Quite interesting........to me anyway........but that might be because I get plagiarized all the time........who invented liking his own posts? Who discovered every good fucking band of the last 7 years?............. and who started that " the GOATs are Brando, DePac, Nicholson" thing......... and first called small time talent Spike Lee a small time talent? Pfffft 
On Jan. 12, screenwriter Simon Stephenson sent an email to the Writers Guild of America’s senior director of credits Lesley Mackey asking to set up a call to discuss an important matter. The CAA-repped writer, whose credits include Pixar’s “Luca” and StudioCanal’s “Paddington 2,” wrote, “I’ve encountered a credits-related issue on quite a high profile WGA-covered project.” According to the email exchange reviewed by Variety, a call between the two took place, and, in a follow-up missive, Stephenson wrote, “the evidence the holdovers screenplay has been plagiarised line-by-line from frisco is genuinely overwhelming – anybody who looks at even the briefest sample pretty much invariably uses the word ‘brazen.’”
variety.com/2024/film/news/the-holdovers-accused-plagiarism-luca-writer-1235935605/
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Post by JangoB on Mar 9, 2024 20:59:34 GMT
I skimmed through that document and it doesn't sound like an especially compelling case tbh. A lot of those comparison pages are just silly. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Payne/Hemingson used that script as a jumping off point. Certainly sounds like they made it much better  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 9, 2024 21:19:55 GMT
Here's the outline comparison for the tired, the curious, the morbidly obese......will be interesting if it wins ........ahhhhhh guess  |
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Post by franklin on Mar 9, 2024 21:51:43 GMT
That's why Payne didn't even get writing credits.
Emily Blunt must be eating her hands, if this story came sooner, no way they would let Randolph win the Oscar for her participation in an allegedly plagiarized film.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 9, 2024 21:59:38 GMT
That's why Payne didn't even get writing credits. Emily Blunt must be eating her hands, if this story came sooner, no way they would let Randolph win the Oscar for her participation in an allegedly plagiarized film. out here playing 4-D chess! 
"My hands are clean Officer! See, no writing credit." First movie he's directed he hasn't taken a writing credit on ( edit: other than Nebraska). |
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Post by JangoB on Mar 9, 2024 22:22:59 GMT
First movie he's directed he hasn't taken a writing credit on. Nebraska. |
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Post by countjohn on Mar 9, 2024 22:43:14 GMT
I looked through the entire 33 page document and this looks like a nothingburger to me. Sure, the stories are similar but you might as well say The Holdovers plagiarized Dead Poets Society, Rushmore, or a million other coming of age stories with an age gap friendship. The Holdovers is a generic story that's been done to death, the strength of the script is in the dialogue and no examples were provided where dialogue was knicked. They also tried to downplay it in the document but there are a lot of subplots in The Holdovers not present in the other script, all the Mary stuff, the dead son in Vietnam, Angus's dad. Those are pretty significant things that make The Holdovers a much better movie than it would have otherwise been.
Maybe Payne used it as a jumping off point for his own script but that's not plagiarism.
Not sure what this has to do with Randolph's 100% deserved win, this has nothing to do with her acting either way and the stuff with her character are actually some of the things that are not present in the other script.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 9, 2024 22:50:02 GMT
First movie he's directed he hasn't taken a writing credit on. Nebraska. I stand corrected. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 9, 2024 23:01:39 GMT
I looked through the entire 33 page document and this looks like a nothingburger to me. Sure, the stories are similar but you might as well say The Holdovers plagiarized Dead Poets Society, Rushmore, or a million other coming of age stories with an age gap friendship. The Holdovers is a generic story that's been done to death, the strength of the script is in the dialogue and no examples were provided where dialogue was knicked. They also tried to downplay it in the document but there are a lot of subplots in The Holdovers not present in the other script, all the Mary stuff, the dead son in Vietnam, Angus's dad. Those are pretty significant things that make The Holdovers a much better movie than it would have otherwise been. Maybe Payne used it as a jumping off point for his own script but that's not plagiarism. Not sure what this has to do with Randolph's 100% deserved win, this has nothing to do with her acting either way and the stuff with her character are actually some of the things that are not present in the other script. I mentioned it would be funny if the screenplay won itself maybe - if they end up losing this case .........but yeah Randolph is a no-brainer - you can't fault an actor for that in any way at all and well...............you knew it when you saw it immediately she deserved to win.........it's quite an illogical leap to go from plagiarism to that sort of performance assessment of she doesn't deserve to win for acting what was on the page.........the key, I guess would be iF it really " has been plagiarised line-by-line" in terms of the lawsuit ...........that's a pretty big claim that if you don't back it up .............well...........you look stupid or disingenuous.......... |
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Post by wonky on Mar 9, 2024 23:22:07 GMT
Yeahhhh idk, it could be that I'm ignorant of the subtleties of screenwriting, but while I was very intrigued by the beat comparisons, the actual dialogue pages really had me underwhelmed as it went along. It really started feeling like I had to perform mental gymnastics to make it as clear cut as he was arguing.
It actually kinda seems more to me like they did what all the screenwriting books teach you, Save the Cat and shit. Just expanding and spinning variations on an established story structure. I'm sure this guy poured everything into Frisco and it must have felt fucking disheartening to watch The Holdovers and feel like he'd been beaten to the punch after all these years of false starts and rejection or whatever. Knowing Payne had read his script, turned it down, then made something similar, anyway. But I'm not convinced at all that you couldn't turn right around and compare his own character sheet and plot outline just as unfavorably to a previous screenplay.
And yeah, hasn't this been a common criticism of The Holdovers all along that it feels familiar and formulaic, and most of its defenders would agree entirely but that it's a winning execution of formula? Judging by these pages, I think he could actually still make Frisco and it wouldn't be seen as any more derivative than if it had been made pre-Holdovers...this doesn't seem like a situation where he could never make his thing because he'd be a laughing stock. If anything, maybe the success of The Holdovers makes it easier to make Frisco. Now he has something he can point to and be like "See, this works!" lol. Except now he's brought up the comparison publicly.
I'm kinda on the "If you invented Facebook, you'd have invented Facebook" side of things here.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Mar 10, 2024 0:18:28 GMT
That's why Payne didn't even get writing credits. Emily Blunt must be eating her hands, if this story came sooner, no way they would let Randolph win the Oscar for her participation in an allegedly plagiarized film. Hey! Just realized you're Braverat over at World of Reel's. I only read btw (including comments  ), not signed up there  |
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Post by countjohn on Mar 10, 2024 2:26:02 GMT
Just to add to what I said before, these "beats" are just basic screenwriting. Opening by establishing the basic setting and the characters in social settings, the two protagonists don't get along and then realize they have things in common, exc. Payne is plagiarizing Joseph Campbell more than anyone else. "Establish the ordinary world", "meet the mentor", "cross the first threshold", and so on. You could do this with 90% of the scripts that get produced in Hollywood.
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Post by finniussnrub on Mar 10, 2024 2:56:59 GMT
The whole "line by line" accusation is pure BS, that implies there's stolen dialogue, which there is not...also Frisco's dialogue seems to be pretty terrible from what I've read.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 10, 2024 3:25:51 GMT
We get these "you stole my script" accusations almost every year. Whether it's true or not, it almost never amounts to much.
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 10, 2024 13:15:01 GMT
That's why Payne didn't even get writing credits. Emily Blunt must be eating her hands, if this story came sooner, no way they would let Randolph win the Oscar for her participation in an allegedly plagiarized film. Hey! Just realized you're Braverat over at World of Reel's. I only read btw (including comments ), not signed up there Of COURSE Franklin has a World of Reel account Next logical step after getting banned from AW I guess. |
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