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Post by JangoB on Feb 16, 2024 15:05:32 GMT
--- NOTE ---
This poll is about the nominating stage, as in: what would the BP lineup look like under the old 5-movie system. Just to avoid confusion.
The 2019 results are in and can be seen above.
As you can guess, they were pretty airtight. Although out of 14 people that voted, 1 didn't pick The Irishman and 2 didn't pick Joker. I wish they wrote their reasoning in the comments because... yeah.
Anyway, time for the more interesting 2018!
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Post by stephen on Feb 16, 2024 15:18:32 GMT
Bohemian Rhapsody
The Favourite
Green Book
Roma
A Star Is Born
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Post by JangoB on Feb 16, 2024 15:40:37 GMT
This is one tough year to decipher. I've got:
- BlacKkKlansman
- The Favourite
- Green Book
- Roma
- Vice
Leaving out ASIB was the most challenging call and yet those Director (while Cooper got in everywhere else) and Editing (with the film being filled with music performances) misses are telling. But it has to be said that ASIB did incredibly well with nominations in all the right places so maybe it was still in. I'm just not sure what to remove because the movies I picked did terrifically too. The Favourite, Roma and Green Book are obvious and I see no reason to doubt Klansman either. And with me being the only one to vote for Vice (out of 7 people thus far), I feel that the board's hatred for McKay is clouding their judgment a little. You mean to tell me Vice wouldn't have made it while receiving nominations for Director, Actor, Supporting Actor, Supporting Actress, Original Screenplay, Editing and Makeup? Especially on the heels of The Big Short's success? Alrighty then.
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Post by stephen on Feb 16, 2024 15:53:10 GMT
This is one tough year to decipher. I've got: - BlacKkKlansman - The Favourite - Green Book - Roma - Vice Leaving out ASIB was the most challenging call and yet those Director (while Cooper got in everywhere else) and Editing (with the film being filled with music performances) misses are telling. But it has to be said that ASIB did incredibly well with nominations in all the right places so maybe it was still in. I'm just not sure what to remove because the movies I picked did terrifically too. The Favourite, Roma and Green Book are obvious and I see no reason to doubt Klansman either. And with me being the only one to vote for Vice (out of 7 people thus far), I feel that the board's hatred for McKay is clouding their judgment a little. You mean to tell me Vice wouldn't have made it while receiving nominations for Director, Actor, Supporting Actor, Supporting Actress, Original Screenplay, Editing and Makeup? Especially on the heels of The Big Short's success? Alrighty then. I do feel you are underrating Bohemian Rhapsody's juggernaut status that year, to be fair, and I feel like Vice would've been potentially divisive enough to alienate some voters. |
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Post by JangoB on Feb 16, 2024 16:02:02 GMT
This is one tough year to decipher. I've got: - BlacKkKlansman - The Favourite - Green Book - Roma - Vice Leaving out ASIB was the most challenging call and yet those Director (while Cooper got in everywhere else) and Editing (with the film being filled with music performances) misses are telling. But it has to be said that ASIB did incredibly well with nominations in all the right places so maybe it was still in. I'm just not sure what to remove because the movies I picked did terrifically too. The Favourite, Roma and Green Book are obvious and I see no reason to doubt Klansman either. And with me being the only one to vote for Vice (out of 7 people thus far), I feel that the board's hatred for McKay is clouding their judgment a little. You mean to tell me Vice wouldn't have made it while receiving nominations for Director, Actor, Supporting Actor, Supporting Actress, Original Screenplay, Editing and Makeup? Especially on the heels of The Big Short's success? Alrighty then. I do feel you are underrating Bohemian Rhapsody's juggernaut status that year, to be fair, and I feel like Vice would've been potentially divisive enough to alienate some voters. I dunno, I think it was clearly #7. It should've received more nominations if it was a true juggernaut. Aside from BP, the ones it got were basically: "Yeah, great concert!"  Why do you think Klansman wasn't top 5? I'm curious. |
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Post by finniussnrub on Feb 16, 2024 16:03:52 GMT
This is one tough year to decipher. I've got: - BlacKkKlansman - The Favourite - Green Book - Roma - Vice Leaving out ASIB was the most challenging call and yet those Director (while Cooper got in everywhere else) and Editing (with the film being filled with music performances) misses are telling. But it has to be said that ASIB did incredibly well with nominations in all the right places so maybe it was still in. I'm just not sure what to remove because the movies I picked did terrifically too. The Favourite, Roma and Green Book are obvious and I see no reason to doubt Klansman either. And with me being the only one to vote for Vice (out of 7 people thus far), I feel that the board's hatred for McKay is clouding their judgment a little. You mean to tell me Vice wouldn't have made it while receiving nominations for Director, Actor, Supporting Actor, Supporting Actress, Original Screenplay, Editing and Makeup? Especially on the heels of The Big Short's success? Alrighty then. Well I mean perhaps you are overcompensating in the reverse direction, though you can make a much better case for Vice than Don't Look Up, as thinking Don't Look Up Up was in the five, over the best picture winner, while ignoring the fact that it missed out on any or all acting nominations (despite the star studded nature of the cast) suggests it wasn't that beloved everywhere in the academy. With all his films though, they do much better with nominations, almost suggesting either buyers remorse each time or more likely, that there's a passionate vein for him but not the academy as a whole. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 16, 2024 16:07:19 GMT
Bohemian Rhapsody
The Favourite
Green Book
Roma
Vice
I could see BlacKkKlansman or A Star is Born in place of Vice but I went with the latter given it's the one that had both strong acting supporting and a Director nod.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 16, 2024 16:09:54 GMT
This is one tough year to decipher. I've got: - BlacKkKlansman - The Favourite - Green Book - Roma - Vice Leaving out ASIB was the most challenging call and yet those Director (while Cooper got in everywhere else) and Editing (with the film being filled with music performances) misses are telling. But it has to be said that ASIB did incredibly well with nominations in all the right places so maybe it was still in. I'm just not sure what to remove because the movies I picked did terrifically too. The Favourite, Roma and Green Book are obvious and I see no reason to doubt Klansman either. And with me being the only one to vote for Vice (out of 7 people thus far), I feel that the board's hatred for McKay is clouding their judgment a little. You mean to tell me Vice wouldn't have made it while receiving nominations for Director, Actor, Supporting Actor, Supporting Actress, Original Screenplay, Editing and Makeup? Especially on the heels of The Big Short's success? Alrighty then. Well I mean perhaps you are overcompensating in the reverse direction, though you can make a much better case for Vice than Don't Look Up, as thinking Don't Look Up Up was in the five, over the best picture winner, while ignoring the fact that it missed out on any or all acting nominations (despite the star studded nature of the cast) suggests it wasn't that beloved everywhere in the academy. With all his films though, they do much better with nominations, almost suggesting either buyers remorse each time or more likely, that there's a passionate vein for him but not the academy as a whole. The Don't Look Up part may be true but it's not like I was a 100% sure about it for 2021 (I am kind of sure on Vice though). It just felt like a big enough deal that year that it could've made it, especially with McKay riding that industry love wave. And yeah, his films do better with nominations, which is exactly what this poll is about! |
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Post by finniussnrub on Feb 16, 2024 16:10:34 GMT
I do feel you are underrating Bohemian Rhapsody's juggernaut status that year, to be fair, and I feel like Vice would've been potentially divisive enough to alienate some voters. I dunno, I think it was clearly #7. It should've received more nominations if it was a true juggernaut. Aside from BP, the ones it got were basically: "Yeah, great concert!" Well literally a Golden Globe Drama winner didn't miss in best picture since the Cardinal, yeah no overlap, but the public awareness aspect is definitely a thing.
Additionally, it was nominated for everything it was expected to be nominated for. Singer was off the table, like Titanic people per-acknowledged the screenplay didn't need to get in, if it got costumes, or VFX that would've been seen as over-performance. THEN it over-performed with wins (Murdering the separated sound categories in the process), murdering the idea of good editing and could've been dangerously close to best picture...we can never know.
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Post by stephen on Feb 16, 2024 16:11:05 GMT
I do feel you are underrating Bohemian Rhapsody's juggernaut status that year, to be fair, and I feel like Vice would've been potentially divisive enough to alienate some voters. I dunno, I think it was clearly #7. It should've received more nominations if it was a true juggernaut. Aside from BP, the ones it got were basically: "Yeah, great concert!" Why do you think Klansman wasn't top 5? I'm curious.Much the same reason as Do the Right Thing wasn't. The Academy's more open to recognizing Spike's work lately (and more incendiary films in general), but seeing what won that year, I feel that it's the sort of film that still would've missed the top five even with an assured win in Adapted Screenplay because it wasn't a strong player elsewhere. Bohemian Rhapsody got as many nominations as a movie like that would reasonably expect to get. Director was never going to happen with that controversy, but that film was such a dominant box-office success and such a toothless affair that it wouldn't have offended the steak-eaters. I think there's even a strong case to be made that it was second place that year behind the eventual winner, even over Roma. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 16, 2024 16:14:54 GMT
I do feel you are underrating Bohemian Rhapsody's juggernaut status that year, to be fair, and I feel like Vice would've been potentially divisive enough to alienate some voters. I dunno, I think it was clearly #7. It should've received more nominations if it was a true juggernaut. Aside from BP, the ones it got were basically: "Yeah, great concert!" Why do you think Klansman wasn't top 5? I'm curious. Of its nominations, though, it won 4 of them, being the biggest winner of the night including 2 major ones (Actor and Editing) that had reasonable alternatives if the film didn't have support. And personally, it makes sense to me that it didn't get nominated elsewhere. Director was essentially disqualified because of Singer, there are no other showy acting parts, and it wasn't really a tech showcase aside from the music (though I suppose one could argue it could've made it in Production or Costume Design). Original Screenplay might be the only one that stands out as a miss, but we've had other top contenders (and even winners) miss there so it isn't essential for top 5 status. |
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 16, 2024 16:19:14 GMT
Black Panther - It won SAG ensemble. I think it's definitely top 5.
Bohemian Rhapsody
The Favourite
Green Book
Roma
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Post by JangoB on Feb 16, 2024 16:21:19 GMT
finniussnrub stephen (aka Brothers from Another Mother) and mikediastavrone96 What can I say - even if I think other movies were stronger awards magnets (at least on the nominations stage which is what we're talking about), I like how you all roll, I like your arguments and I think you make compelling cases. Food for thought, as they say!
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 17, 2024 1:38:40 GMT
I’m sorry but I don’t see how a movie can win adapted screenplay, get acting, editing and directing (and DGA, Bafta and SAGE) nods and not be top 5.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Feb 17, 2024 2:10:02 GMT
I left out Green Book. Basically just wondered if the Only-5 restriction would have brought things more into focus with BKKKman switching Green Room and coming on along with the rest of the 4 no-brainers (A Star, Fav, Bohem, Roma).
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Feb 17, 2024 2:13:42 GMT
BlackKklansman
The Favourite
Green Book
Roma
A Star Is Born
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