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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 4, 2024 14:20:42 GMT
I don't think so for me - movies to me, do not "need" to hold up or get better on rewatches..........although I'm an odd one to talk - I've watched several movie I don't think are even "good" - and never thought they were good - multiple times to try to get why some people like them (The Pledge, Tree of Life, Man on Fire........there's more) Then again you ain't me motherfncker you won't live to 271 (and counting!) will you? There are certain movies that require it imo - Night Moves I just talked about in another thread........ Tar is a recent one Anyhoo..............So what sayeth thee MAR - are your favorites all The Rewatchables as that asshat Bill Simmons would say or no? One film I often hear it about is The Usual Suspects - I hear people say dumb shit all the time like "I loved it at first, but on the millionth time I saw it I didn't" at all?!? Do you think rewatching movies keeps your "movie IQ" down? Do you have a problem with rewatching too much as opposed to taking a risk or challenging yourself or it's no big deal? ![](https://y.yarn.co/f322a332-b3b1-418d-a952-d3581b215121_text.gif)
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Post by Archie on Feb 4, 2024 14:27:39 GMT
One viewing of The Usual Suspects was enough for it to completely destroy my "movie IQ", thank you very much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 14:57:36 GMT
100%.
Ignoring TUS - "I loved it at first, but on the millionth time I saw it I didn't" is a perfectly fine statement(though a millionth watch of anything might be pushing it; they're not made to survive that long, which is why it's a miracle when/*if one does)... There is a difference between a film which remains the same amount of great/good on the third or fourth watch - wanna make it better; throughout the years - "great" with one that pales in the same situation.
Almost Famous for example; 9/10 at least my 1st watch... last re-watch (must've been the third) a few years ago was a (hard) 7. I'd say movies "stop working/giving" after a certain time when I don't want to say "the flaws became appearant this time" cause something like AF doesn't *seem* that different on any number of watches... my thing is, I don't really feel the need/the urge to re-watch anything anymore. I'd say "huh that would be a good idea to re-watch/I miss the damn thing!" but there's just TONS to watch instead man.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 4, 2024 17:37:49 GMT
I think movies are situational. There is an objective measure to judge them by (as discussed in the thread on objectivity), but whether or not one holds up on rewatch - or works on a first watch - isn't entirely based on merit, but also your personal experiences and what you had for breakfast that day.
I mentioned Causeway in the aforementioned objectivity discussion, which I like a great deal. Objectively it's functional - there are no structural issues, plot holes, etc. that I was aware of - but it isn't very well regarded in general because it is so quiet and slow and simple. However, the struggles of the protagonist related to my personal experiences in a way that they likely wouldn't for a lot of people. The place I came from put me more in tune with the movie's presentation and themes than others, so I really liked the movie.
When it comes to rewatching, personal experiences change over time. Nikon may have closely resonated with the experiences faced in Almost Famous, but now he's old and pudgy and his favorite movie is Grumpy Old Men. (As a man of culture, I always preferred Grumpy Old Men.) The movie hasn't changed, but he has.
There are movies that have structural issues that become apparent on rewatch, of course. Sometimes the resolution to thematic throughlines is nonsensical, there are plot holes, etc. And sometimes a movie encourages you to rewatch it to mull over its ruminations (these are almost invariably dull movies imo - if you can't hook the audience into what you're doing on a first watch, you have no right to bludgeon them into accepting that they should like it on another go). So there are exceptions, but generally people just change over time. Add on top of that the fact that new things are almost always more stimulating than old things (although trolling on whether or not Denzel Washington deserves GOAT status never gets old for some people) and sometimes the newness of an experience doesn't "hold up."
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Post by rhodoraonline on Feb 4, 2024 17:50:28 GMT
Not at all for me. My list of my top movies and the movies I most frequently rewatch is totally different. I also feel like it has to be an unfair metric to judge movies, tho' granted some movies do require multiple viewings for their full impact. But most movies don't, and I won't hold that against them compared to movies that I find rewatchable or the movies requiring multiple views for maximum impact. Just my two cents.
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Post by Kings_Requiem on Feb 4, 2024 19:33:03 GMT
Maybe? But maybe this is a different thing altogether, but I think movies need to be seen more than once to really get the full effect of them. To have everything properly wash over you and get inside your brain. There are so many things that can impact your viewing of a movie that once is never enough. Whether you loved it or hated it or somewhere in between after a first viewing, you should watch it again at some point down the line because you never know if your opinion will change.
At the same time I think any movie can be re-watchable to someone. It just depends on the person. It all follows along with the old adage "one man's trash is another man's treasure." A lot of people love and re-watch Marvel movies over and over while many others hate them after one watch and never return. Doesn't impact the greatness for the people who love them. So, like I said, it all comes down to the individual's opinion.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 4, 2024 22:32:25 GMT
Good responses - I definitely think length factors in here........like I am far more likely to give a shorter film another watch than a long one you have to gear up" to spend 3 hours + with Like how many times can you watch Sátántangó etc - and that's for people not put off of it to begin with ![:uhoh:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/c8bbBnLz3a98Jzy_29H2.gif)
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Post by countjohn on Feb 4, 2024 23:52:38 GMT
It's more like a cherry on top for me and there have been some things I liked a lot better on a rewatch. But a powerful first viewing means a lot for me and I have respect for movies that get that kind of first reaction, so I'm not going to downgrade something I loved the first time based on rewatches.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 5, 2024 0:15:04 GMT
No, but it impacts my personal favorites
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 5, 2024 0:27:25 GMT
Like Kael, I don't rewatch movies that often. I tend to absorb movies as pure sensations, so rewatches can feel stale unless I've had some time away from the film. I rewatched films alot more when I was a kid and there were access issues (i.e. you had to go to Blockbuster Video to get new shit, rather than just turning on your computer), so yeah I watched Home Alone 1 and 2 a zillion times, the Star Wars OT, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, etc. But as an adult, I don't really do that for any films, regardless of how much I esteem them.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 5, 2024 0:33:42 GMT
Like Kael, I don't rewatch movies that often. I tend to absorb movies as pure sensations, so rewatches can feel stale unless I've had some time away from the film. I rewatched films alot more when I was a kid and there were access issues (i.e. you had to go to Blockbuster Video to get new shit, rather than just turning on your computer), so yeah I watched Home Alone 1 and 2 a zillion times, the Star Wars OT, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, etc. But as an adult, I don't really do that for any films, regardless of how much I esteem them. Considering how PTA films always get even better with rewatches I think you're missing out.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 5, 2024 0:48:02 GMT
Good responses - I definitely think length factors in here........like I am far more likely to give a shorter film another watch than a long one you have to gear up" to spend 3 hours + with Like how many times can you watch Sátántangó etc - and that's for people not put off of it to begin with ![:uhoh:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/c8bbBnLz3a98Jzy_29H2.gif) I am not of this mind at all - some great experiences are great because of their length. People rewatch The Lord of the Rings and Godfather movies over and over because they love how in depth the stories and worlds get. Same deal with television - there's never too much of a good thing.
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Post by finniussnrub on Feb 5, 2024 3:04:50 GMT
Yes, in that I always want to re-watch a great film, therefore if it is great it must be re-watchable. Although I'll admit this is a bit of a chicken or the egg scenario.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 5, 2024 3:08:40 GMT
I don't think rewatchability is a requisite for a film to be great - I think United 93 is a masterpiece but it gives me a fucking panic attack so I'm not exactly chomping at the bit to see it again - but if a film fails to hold up then it fails to hold up. I was never big on The Usual Suspects but I know other people who've expressed what you mentioned and I think the idea is that the ending works as a magic trick that leaves the audience on a high but on rewatches the trick is dead and the high the audience initially had is not present anywhere else in the film. It happens sometimes where a film sustains itself on misdirection and doesn't work as well once you know the trick being pulled, it loses the enchantment that other films that don't rely on such tactics can pull.
But anyway, I rewatch movies plenty. It doesn't really stop me from watching new movies or finding new challenges, and I do like to take apart why I like a movie or simply enjoy being in some more than others. My list of favorite films isn't necessarily my list of most rewatchable movies since the context is different for what I'm rewatching - whether I'm seeing it with others, seeing it for a revival, anniversary, etc. - but there are definitely movies I love more after knowing them forwards and backwards.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 5, 2024 4:30:45 GMT
Like Kael, I don't rewatch movies that often. I tend to absorb movies as pure sensations, so rewatches can feel stale unless I've had some time away from the film. I rewatched films alot more when I was a kid and there were access issues (i.e. you had to go to Blockbuster Video to get new shit, rather than just turning on your computer), so yeah I watched Home Alone 1 and 2 a zillion times, the Star Wars OT, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, etc. But as an adult, I don't really do that for any films, regardless of how much I esteem them. Considering how PTA films always get even better with rewatches I think you're missing out. The only times I've ever thought a film better on a rewatch was when I watched a poor transfer on VHS or DVD versus a true HD or Blu-Ray. Like Michael Mann's Heat. The bloatedness of it doesn't register nearly as strongly with so much detail in every shot.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Feb 5, 2024 5:07:55 GMT
No, but it impacts my personal favorites ^ Pretty much this. A film doesn't need to have high rewatch value for me to consider it great, but rewatchability is the main factor I considered when compiling and ranking my personal top 50. My ranking method was to pit films against each other two at a time and then either ask myself which film do I see myself rewatching more in the long term, or which film would I be more sad about never rewatching ever again, and then work my way to the top that way.
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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 5, 2024 13:09:44 GMT
100%. Ignoring TUS - "I loved it at first, but on the millionth time I saw it I didn't" is a perfectly fine statement(though a millionth watch of anything might be pushing it; they're not made to survive that long, which is why it's a miracle when/* if one does)... There is a difference between a film which remains the same amount of great/good on the third or fourth watch - wanna make it better; throughout the years - "great" with one that pales in the same situation. Almost Famous for example; 9/10 at least my 1st watch... last re-watch (must've been the third) a few years ago was a (hard) 7. I'd say movies "stop working/giving" after a certain time when I don't want to say "the flaws became appearant this time" cause something like AF doesn't *seem* that different on any number of watches... my thing is, I don't really feel the need/the urge to re-watch anything anymore. I'd say "huh that would be a good idea to re-watch/I miss the damn thing!" but there's just TONS to watch instead man. Funnily enough, Almost Famous actually improved for me on a re-watch.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 5, 2024 13:17:32 GMT
Doesn't matter to me one iota. If it did, I'd have to rewatch... well, everything in order to see if my initial impression was correct. I rewatch plenty of movies but that's more out of necessity: I forgot most things about them, it's been too long since I saw them, etc. I do believe in the phenomena of wearing a movie out so I don't really feel the need to check if something "holds up". First impressions are usually the most important ones anyway.
But of course it's great when some movies keep pulling you in or always have something different in store when you revisit them. I've seen my favorite film (8½) maybe five times and none of those rewatches have been the same. Maybe it's a reflection of me changing but what matters is that the movie attains new colors every single time and keeps playing anew. Which is of course a sign of a great one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 13:47:51 GMT
100%. Ignoring TUS - "I loved it at first, but on the millionth time I saw it I didn't" is a perfectly fine statement(though a millionth watch of anything might be pushing it; they're not made to survive that long, which is why it's a miracle when/* if one does)... There is a difference between a film which remains the same amount of great/good on the third or fourth watch - wanna make it better; throughout the years - "great" with one that pales in the same situation. Almost Famous for example; 9/10 at least my 1st watch... last re-watch (must've been the third) a few years ago was a (hard) 7. I'd say movies "stop working/giving" after a certain time when I don't want to say "the flaws became appearant this time" cause something like AF doesn't *seem* that different on any number of watches... my thing is, I don't really feel the need/the urge to re-watch anything anymore. I'd say "huh that would be a good idea to re-watch/I miss the damn thing!" but there's just TONS to watch instead man. Funnily enough, Almost Famous actually improved for me on a re-watch. What you found your crush on Penny Lane late? General point is that we out-grow some stuff and that does affect their level of greatness for us, be it on a 1-2/10 margin... ![](https://c.tenor.com/bG0rcSSe_XYAAAAC/tenor.gif) My coming-of-age prophets (Nolan, Fincher, QT, Burton) all are affected by this too. Still love them... just in a different, more personal (than the typical "wow that was great") way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 13:50:33 GMT
I definitely think length factors in here........like I am far more likely to give a shorter film another watch than a long one you have to gear up" to spend 3 hours + with Like how many times can you watch Sátántangó etc - and that's for people not put off of it to begin with ![:uhoh:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/c8bbBnLz3a98Jzy_29H2.gif) I already am considering a Ryan's Daughter (idk, to me really revealed itself by the very end when the picture was complete) but the next 3-hrs. slot for Mr. Lean has to be a new one like Doc Zhiv right?... right?
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 5, 2024 13:58:58 GMT
I definitely think length factors in here........like I am far more likely to give a shorter film another watch than a long one you have to gear up" to spend 3 hours + with Like how many times can you watch Sátántangó etc - and that's for people not put off of it to begin with ![:uhoh:](//storage.proboards.com/6692321/images/c8bbBnLz3a98Jzy_29H2.gif) I already am considering a Ryan's Daughter (idk, to me really revealed itself by the very end when the picture was complete) but the next 3-hrs. slot for Mr. Lean has to be a new one like Doc Zhiv right?... right? As I always say buddy - Life is basically like the choice between watching Dr. Zhivago or enacting Dr. Zhivago yourself by spending the entire day in freezing cold temperatures and taking a train .............. repeatedly ........no matter what choice you make ....the situation is rather bleak........but you only get one life. Irony. ![](https://y.yarn.co/bddf6608-343d-47e1-8b82-bdafbebeaa69_text.gif)
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 7, 2024 3:14:05 GMT
I don't know, I remember thinking Marketa Lazarova was great when I saw it 8 years ago but all I remember about it now is its cinematography. Retaining info is hard. Ask me 10 years from now what I think of William Wyler's Detective Story and I'll say I have to see it again. Stett makes good points though. So many internal and external influence your experience with a movie that I only fully trust my feelings on a film if I've seen it a couple times at least, but there's only so many hours in a day and hundreds of movies I'm still trying to see for the first time.
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Post by DaleCooper on Feb 11, 2024 12:37:38 GMT
I generally don't think it impacts. It depends a bit on the movie and when I saw it, though.
Your example, The Usual Suspects, is one type of movie I want to hold up, or at least that you can see such a film knowing the twist and it still works well. Obviously, it doesn't need to be as vivid an experience as the first watch, but it can't fall flat at least.
Other than that it could be films I watched when I was much younger. You're obviously a bit more impressionable then, and I think I might have looked more on details than on the whole picture back then which might have made me misjudge a few films. There's very few such films, though.
I will always consider something like The Social Network to be a masterpiece, simply because of the overwhelming experience I had watching that the first time. But saying that, such experiences often comes together with the actual quality of the movie and even if the actual experience doesn't quite hold up when revisiting a movie I can still very much appreciate the quality of the filmmaking.
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