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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 3, 2024 20:20:10 GMT
The best American actor since the 70s class of DePac, Nicholson, Hoffman?He was 46 years old.......what did he mean - to acting? To you? What parts would you have liked to see him play in these 10 years? I saw him onstage be great in Long Days Journey Into Night with Brian Dennehy but missed him in Death of a Salesman (below) and I coud kick my own ass about that..............
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Post by wallsofjericho on Feb 3, 2024 20:47:20 GMT
Still remember when and where I got this awful news. I remember being shook up by it. Such an amazing talent. Can only imagine what more he would have achieved. I feel like he would have ventured into even more stage work and even directing (both plays and film).
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 3, 2024 21:15:50 GMT
The news destroyed me. I was obsessed with PSH as a baby cinephile in the late aughts and early 2010s and no news of an actor's death since has hit me as hard. I was drawn to his energy and flamboyance in movies like Capote and Ripley but he was capable of so much depth and variety too, and so many of his roles are completely distinct. He was great at finding the humanity in pathetic schlubs like in Synecdoche and Happiness but topped himself with The Master's cult leader Lancaster Dobbs which was the height of his acting power, and was always a welcome presence in bit roles like his hilariously tense butler in Lebowski or cynical-but-sweet Lester Bangs in Almost Famous. I was always drawn to his to charisma, self-possession and intellect, especially as someone who's always been on the heavier side even as a kid and felt self-conscious about it. PSH's talent was a huge inspiration and he'll always be one of my favorites.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 3, 2024 21:16:02 GMT
Towering actor. One of the few who legitimately could juggle technical challenges with raw intensity. At the time of his death, he was certainly in my top 4 working screen actors. I didn't think he was particularly interesting in The Master, though. Much preferred him in something like A Most Wanted Man.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 3, 2024 23:25:05 GMT
I saw Little Children that afternoon, and the entire time I was watching it I couldn't forget that the director played Beltzer in Twister and I kept yelling "BEEEELZTEEEERRR!!!" - one of PSH's most immortal lines thanks to his delivery - during the movie because I had to entertain myself somehow. And then I got onto the board and found out PSH had died and I was sad.
Uh, great actor too. I think he was one of the very few actors ever that could genuinely be great in pretty much everything from romantic comedies to serious dramas to action movies. He could be wonderfully exciting in light roles and bring a major weight to tortured characters (I saw Before the Devil Knows You're Dead a month ago, and WHOA). I remember reading that he didn't care for movies much and considered stage acting to be far superior, but I never got the chance to see him shine there.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 3, 2024 23:40:16 GMT
Not to derail the thread (he said as he derailed the thread), but what are your thoughts on Michael Shannon? He was never PSH level, but they strike me as similar in actually capturing everyman Americans better than most other actors - and both can ham it up really well if the situation calls for it as well. (I'm watching a Shannon movie tonight and was reminded of him.)
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Post by stephen on Feb 3, 2024 23:45:15 GMT
Indeed he was. Agreed wholeheartedly. He was definitely in the top echelon for me as well. Aaaaaaaand there it is. You lost me.
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Post by Nikan on Feb 3, 2024 23:52:50 GMT
Pretty much what Tommen said. I don't have a definite favorite actor (or a top 10) rn, but the time that I did... it was him. His breakdown (the pillow, the shooting, the agony- my my my) in Before the Devil which I caught on TV, might've been the performance that made me fall for not the character or director but for what an actor could do, and that picking to watch a film because they're in it, to do some "serious" work that could move me as a viewer, can be a thing. And boy he did it a bunch of times aferwards and I haven't seen like half of his acclaimed work to this day, so... the man lives on in this house.
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Post by DeepArcher on Feb 4, 2024 0:10:07 GMT
Yeah, one of the few celebrity deaths that shook me so much I still remember where I was at the time. The same day as Super Bowl XLVIII iirc ... if you can believe it, the Broncos' performance in that game was far from the saddest thing that happened that day.
And I was pretty young at the time (13), but even as a kid he was one of the first actors who ever stood out to me in cable classics like Twister, Along Came Polly, etc. Then shortly after his death I became a PTA fanboy, and over the years he'd become solidified as my favorite actor. Don't know what else to say about him that I haven't said before...other than that the decade (hard to believe) without him has sorely missed him.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Feb 4, 2024 0:46:35 GMT
Yeah, one of the few celebrity deaths that shook me so much I still remember where I was at the time. The same day as Super Bowl XLVIII iirc ... if you can believe it, the Broncos' performance in that game was far from the saddest thing that happened that day. Same (and Robin Williams was that way too for me later that year). I had planned to watch the Super Bowl that day, but once I heard about PSH's death, I ended up not watching it because I just wasn't in the mood anymore.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 4, 2024 1:28:32 GMT
The night before I was staying at a friend's house and we were up late falling in and out of all kinds of topics, one of which was about the greatness of Philip Seymour Hoffman. An actor of rare emotional depth and control who cared deeply about acting as an artform in and of itself.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 4, 2024 1:58:20 GMT
I consider Denzel Washington to be the greatest actor of this century ( American or otherwise) and he's surpassed the 70's class, imho. And surpassed Brando, if he was considered the previous highwater mark for American actors.
But Philip Seymour Hoffman was arguably the greatest character actor of his generation. He could play lead roles when called upon, but he wasn't a leading man or a "movie star". Not really. In that sense, it's not really fair to stack him up alongside iconic leading men like Brando, Nicholson, Pacino, DeNiro, Hackman and Washington, without acknowledging that context. He'll never have their broader appeal. I don't see him much in GOAT conversations outside cinephile circles, and it's because of that.
But he was such a brilliant character actor. They are very different actors, but I feel that had John Cazale lived longer, he'd have had a similar career to PSH as arguably our premiere character actor. It's a real tragedy that we lost PSH, but also something of a blessing that he managed to leave behind enough to have what can be considered to be a complete body of work, even though he clearly had decades left of great work in him. And what a performance in The Master.
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 4, 2024 2:24:06 GMT
He was brilliant in almost everything he did. I want to give Savages a special shout-out. He and Laura Linney were so real as siblings.
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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 4, 2024 2:26:40 GMT
He stands out for me more and more every time I watch The Big Lebowski.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 4, 2024 11:14:22 GMT
Not to derail the thread (he said as he derailed the thread), but what are your thoughts on Michael Shannon? He was never PSH level, but they strike me as similar in actually capturing everyman Americans better than most other actors - and both can ham it up really well if the situation calls for it as well. (I'm watching a Shannon movie tonight and was reminded of him.) Michael Shannon is sort of like him in some ways because he suggests the same explosive, kinetic quality bubbling underneath - those 2 actors take their "everyman" cues from Robert Duvall imo.......and all had that "barely keeping it together" aspect * PSH's most explosive scenes - Punch Drunk Love, Before The Devil Knows Your Dead, the "Pig Fnck" Master Scene have that "specifiity of the unusual" quality you get in some cases irl - ie if you have a boss who flies off the handle scarily or a friend who is a simmering loose cannon etc........... * Shannon has that specificity also.........the best Americans ever to do it - Brando, DePac, Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman, Gene Hackman........had it in some degree so PSH seems to circle in that elite class not only as as a "talent level" actor but in his actual characteritics too: That quality removes PSH from other great American actors that you don't associate with that "kinetic" (ot dynamic quality) - Stewart, Tracy, Fonda - all great - but all a different type of actor ...........and a different sort of "everyman" too
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 6, 2024 2:23:15 GMT
While PSH was not a "movie star" or a leading man on film, one of the things that I think really helped elevate his stature as an actor, was his status as a major and commanding stage actor, who took on the big plays and classics ( not unlike Denzel Washington ....Hoffman had a short run in an experimental, modernised version of Othello as Iago in 2009, and though the production got mostly bad reviews, Hoffman himself got pretty good notices). It makes me think that if Washington does take on Othello next year on Broadway as has been reported, that Hoffman reprising Iago opposite him would have been momentous for American theatre. Two of the only major American film actors who could compete on equal footing with the British at Shakepeare. It's a ridiculously short list ).
I do think if Hoffman lived, he'd have added a Tony award to his award shelf by now.
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