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Post by TylerDeneuve on Dec 28, 2023 17:03:50 GMT
pacinoyes and I were discussing this earlier, as it pertained to both Natalie Portman and composer Marcelo Zarvos naming Days of Heaven (1978) among their four favorite films at the premiere of May December. It does seem rare for a film to be completely beloved but to not also feature a hugely lauded performance, right? Let's name some here! The first to come to mind for me (besides Days of Heaven) is Barry Lyndon... That film belongs solely to Kubrick.
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Post by stephen on Dec 28, 2023 17:06:12 GMT
Marisa Berenson is excellent in Barry Lyndon and I think Sam Shepard and Linda Manz were fantastic and deserving of nominations in Days of Heaven, so I disagree with those two examples.
2001: A Space Odyssey would be a closer Kubrick example but even that has people banging the drum for Douglas Rain.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 28, 2023 17:36:42 GMT
Koyaanisqatsi The Man with a Movie Camera Most Tarkovsky movies Most Bresson movies
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 28, 2023 17:41:27 GMT
* I haven't seen Zone of Interest yet but that's something close to it......although the actors get praise from the film itself......the praise doesn't however drive the discussion of the film in any way only tangentially........ * It depends how far you stretch acclaim - but 1917 was another for me - where people who really like it (and I like it, but not that much and less on 2nd viewing btw) champion everything and the acting is a mere afterthought .......it's a gimmick film and the gimmick replaces the acting and people who thought that was winning BP on 10 nods and 0 nods for acting - including George MacKay who was fine but come on, not great - were misreading the way the wind was blowing .......including me * In general there may be some level of acclaim in almost any widely praised film because people think they can tell what good acting "is" (hint: they really can't.........MAR can't ) - with no experience or expertise - or worse, no coherent criteria besides their gut instincts ............. based mostly on the acting we all do in our personal lives (acting happy at work, telling someone they look nice when they really don't, etc)
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Post by thelistenercanon on Dec 28, 2023 17:47:52 GMT
Yeah right. He has a collaborator named Anatoly Solonitsyn similar to De Niro (or/and Dicaprio)/Scorsese, I would argue he's one of the best.
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Post by Nikan on Dec 28, 2023 18:02:33 GMT
Yeah right. He has a collaborator named Anatoly Solonitsyn similar to De Niro (or/and Dicaprio)/Scorsese, I would argue he's one of the best. Solonitsyn rules.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 28, 2023 18:22:25 GMT
Yeah right. He has a collaborator named Anatoly Solonitsyn similar to De Niro (or/and Dicaprio)/Scorsese, I would argue he's one of the best. Don't get me wrong, I think Solonitsyn is tremendous in Andrei Rublev and Stalker (the two Tarkovsky films I thought of having an acclaimed performance), but I don't know if his roles in Solaris and Mirror qualify as "hugely lauded." So that leaves 5/7 Tarkovsky movies without one.
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Post by Nikan on Dec 28, 2023 18:27:02 GMT
Does the actress from The Red Shoes get much praise, let alone on the level of her film? how about the cast and the leading lady from Cleo 5 to 7?
The Color of Pomegranates (1969) and Waltz with Bashir (2008) too... most super-acclaimed experimental cinema qualify here. Like I don't even know the name of actors in Bunuel's party, I just know (and grin at the fact) that they couldn't leave.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 28, 2023 18:27:47 GMT
Erland Josephson is brilliant in The Sacrifice which is also the best Tarkovsky film btw - y'all are just too young to know it yet tbh
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Dec 28, 2023 18:34:01 GMT
* I haven't seen Zone of Interest yet but that's something close to it......although the actors get praise from the film itself......the praise doesn't however drive the discussion of the film in any way only tangentially........ This made me think of Polanski's Tess and Malle's Au revoir les enfants... The actors are more than capable, but again, these films belong to the directors.
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Post by Archie on Dec 28, 2023 18:39:35 GMT
Most hangout movies. They usually rely more on the naturalism and chemistry of the actors, so the performances get taken for granted by a lot of people.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Dec 29, 2023 0:34:41 GMT
How about Sofia Coppola's Marie Antoinette? Dunst acquits herself well as an auteur vessel, but this film is pure Coppola. If the actors are praised at all, it's because of how well they fit into her anachronistic tableau.
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Post by finniussnrub on Dec 29, 2023 2:23:12 GMT
King Kong
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Post by countjohn on Dec 29, 2023 3:31:50 GMT
As for the link in the OP, of course Natalie's top four is so classy, having Revenge of the Sith in your top four is kind of punk rock, and Julianne Moore having Licorice Pizza at no. 2 makes me like her even better.
As for some of the addressed one, Solonitsyn gives arguably the greatest movie performance of all time in Andrei Rublev (I'd say certainly the best I've ever seen outside the Englisg language) and is also terrific in Solaris. I guess The Mirror counts for Tarkovsky due to the general lack of dialog. Agree that Berenson is great in Barry Lyndon and Rain is a very good VO performance in 2001 although I guess it counts for live action performances. Shearer certainly gets plenty of acclaim for The Red Shoes too. Counting docs seems a but unfair so no Man With a Movie Camera either.
The Apartment might be one, the three leads are all good but there's not really a performance on the level of the movie, it's about the script. A lot of genre movies probably count here too, is anyone great in Lord of the Rings for instance outside of possibly Serkis? It's more like a bunch of good, well cast performances.
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Post by sophiefox on Dec 29, 2023 6:27:35 GMT
the Euros definitely. like...
most of Pasolini's films, such as Salo, Il Decameron, Oedipus Rex, Teorema
many of Fassbinder's films, such as Fox and His Friends, Love Is Colder Than Death, Chinese Roulette
most of Bresson's films, such as Au hasard Balthazar, A Man Escaped, Pickpocket
Godard's films without Anna Karina, think Week End, 2 or 3 Things I Know About Her, Hail Mary
many of Jacques Rivette's films
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 29, 2023 6:52:41 GMT
While I think the acting works, I haven't heard anyone single out a performance from Night of the Living Dead for praise.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 29, 2023 6:54:50 GMT
The Apartment might be one, the three leads are all good but there's not really a performance on the level of the movie, it's about the script. A lot of genre movies probably count here too, is anyone great in Lord of the Rings for instance outside of possibly Serkis? It's more like a bunch of good, well cast performances. I imagine if a performance was nominated for an Oscar - Lemmon, MacLaine, and Kruschen in The Apartment, McKellen in The Lord of the Rings - it disqualifies the movie.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 29, 2023 12:11:58 GMT
The Apartment might be one, the three leads are all good but there's not really a performance on the level of the movie, it's about the script. A lot of genre movies probably count here too, is anyone great in Lord of the Rings for instance outside of possibly Serkis? It's more like a bunch of good, well cast performances. I imagine if a performance was nominated for an Oscar - Lemmon, MacLaine, and Kruschen in The Apartment, McKellen in The Lord of the Rings - it disqualifies the movie. Especially when those performances are often considered among the actors' best like with Lemmon and MacLaine in this case
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 29, 2023 16:11:48 GMT
i don't think this is particularly uncommon. even putting aside tons of euro arthouse, random one off things like Barry Lyndon, and every single acclaimed experimental film, there's a ton of blockbusters and genre films that probably have this distinction as well.
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