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Post by pacinoyes on May 6, 2024 11:00:02 GMT
Dunaways fall was just the steepest among her peers like Spacek, Burstyn, Keaton, Fonda, Ann-Margret, Hawn...all except maybe Cybil Shepherd. Shes more like the female Brando than Eric Roberts. His fall was absolutely EGREGIOUS. yeh I got that 1972 gave him new life but if you take that year out of the equation, his fall would be something of a historic, never before seen kinda thing. Part of Dunaway's descent was she made people walk on eggshells but she herself walked on eggshells around the industry - she talked tough and then cried herself to sleep over it when people pushed back........to me she's closer to someone like Ed Norton than Brando - where's her Apocalypse Now? - but bigger (no Oscar for Overrated Ed - I like him - but he is overrated) I always liked her though even when people stopped returning her calls - one of the best Columbo episodes (she won the Emmy) with a part written just for her by Falk ........
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 6, 2024 19:16:06 GMT
Dunaways fall was just the steepest among her peers like Spacek, Burstyn, Keaton, Fonda, Ann-Margret, Hawn...all except maybe Cybil Shepherd. Shes more like the female Brando than Eric Roberts. His fall was absolutely EGREGIOUS. yeh I got that 1972 gave him new life but if you take that year out of the equation, his fall would be something of a historic, never before seen kinda thing. Part of Dunaway's descent was she made people walk on eggshells but she herself walked on eggshells around the industry - she talked tough and then cried herself to sleep over it when people pushed back........to me she's closer to someone like Ed Norton than Brando - where's her Apocalypse Now? - but bigger (no Oscar for Overrated Ed - I like him - but he is overrated) I always liked her though even when people stopped returning her calls - one of the best Columbo episodes (she won the Emmy) with a part written just for her by Falk ........ Damn...calling Norton overrated while bloviating DiCaprio. What's wrong with this picture. Hmm
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Post by pacinoyes on May 6, 2024 19:23:39 GMT
Part of Dunaway's descent was she made people walk on eggshells but she herself walked on eggshells around the industry - she talked tough and then cried herself to sleep over it when people pushed back........to me she's closer to someone like Ed Norton than Brando - where's her Apocalypse Now? - but bigger (no Oscar for Overrated Ed - I like him - but he is overrated) I always liked her though even when people stopped returning her calls - one of the best Columbo episodes (she won the Emmy) with a part written just for her by Falk ........ Damn...calling Norton overrated while bloviating DiCaprio. What's wrong with this picture. Hmm Well I'm willing to listen to arguments that he's not.......but in comparison to DiCap - I wouldn't say at his peak he's THAT much off him but....less nods, no wins, weaker filmography., not particularly adept at comedy much until Birdman.........I mean on metrics his "achievements" resemble Dunaway much more than Brando does .......all I'm saying........
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 6, 2024 20:12:46 GMT
Damn...calling Norton overrated while bloviating DiCaprio. What's wrong with this picture. Hmm Well I'm willing to listen to arguments that he's not.......but in comparison to DiCap - I wouldn't say at his peak he's THAT much off him but....less nods, no wins, weaker filmography., not particularly adept at comedy much until Birdman.........I mean on metrics his "achievements" resemble Dunaway much more than Brando does .......all I'm saying........ It's strange to me how given her idolizers in the industry, she never made a comeback. You can kinda credit Brando's comeback to Coppola's idolatry. Coppola was a Brando fan in his young adulthood. And DiCaprio before The Wolf of Wall Street was closer to Casey Affleck imo with more starpower. (Phoenix would be Cillian Murphy in my opinion) DiCaprio was brought back into the fold by Scorsese. I guess she really went out of style. Falk is like Ben Garraza to me, just this mediocre talent, never reliable enough to try and gauge a comeback from. I would've liked a Kim Basinger/LA Confidential comeback from Faye.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 6, 2024 20:37:32 GMT
Well I'm willing to listen to arguments that he's not.......but in comparison to DiCap - I wouldn't say at his peak he's THAT much off him but....less nods, no wins, weaker filmography., not particularly adept at comedy much until Birdman.........I mean on metrics his "achievements" resemble Dunaway much more than Brando does .......all I'm saying........ It's strange to me how given her idolizers in the industry, she never made a comeback. You can kinda credit Brando's comeback to Coppola's idolatry. Coppola was a Brando fan in his young adulthood. Yeah - that's why I don't buy Dunaway as an upcoming AFI winner - even though the award is bullshit anyway - so maybe she gets it I dunno.......the people she had on her side never cast her in anything "major" after the early 80s ........they sort of bailed out on her then so why honor her now? ........and Brando REALLY benefts from all the movie school brats - ok Coppola - coming of age and power in the 70s - while all the other 50s "American icons" (getting sick of that word) were either dead (Bogart, Dean, Clift) or badly faltering (then Lancaster though he rebounded later and Douglas who had failed in a Mafia movie AND a Kazan movie in that period) ..........except for Holden a bit.........Brando was the only link to that kind of starry 50s actor that the movie brats really had idolized so much..........if Coppola had his way Brando would have been in The Conversation AND one scene in flashback in Godfather Part 2 also
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 6, 2024 21:18:37 GMT
It's strange to me how given her idolizers in the industry, she never made a comeback. You can kinda credit Brando's comeback to Coppola's idolatry. Coppola was a Brando fan in his young adulthood. Yeah - that's why I don't buy Dunaway as an upcoming AFI winner - even though the award is bullshit anyway - so maybe she gets it I dunno.......the people she had on her side never cast her in anything "major" after the early 80s ........they sort of bailed out on her then so why honor her now? ........and Brando REALLY benefts from all the movie school brats - ok Coppola - coming of age and power in the 70s - while all the other 50s "American icons" (getting sick of that word) were either dead (Bogart, Dean, Clift) or badly faltering (then Lancaster though he rebounded later and Douglas who had failed in a Mafia movie AND a Kazan movie in that period) ..........except for Holden a bit.........Brando was the only link to that kind of starry 50s actor that the movie brats really had idolized so much..........if Coppola had his way Brando would have been in The Conversation AND one scene in flashback in Godfather Part 2 also Am I missing anyone? but the 90s brat pack (the film school adjacents) were Tarantino, Mann, Spike, and Wong. None of them had any real parts for middle aged women amirite? Outside of that Ruby Dee role in Do the Right Thing and Jungle Fever... I forget if she's in that. Curtis Hanson had some parts but the main one went to Kim Basinger, and in Wonder Boys he had young women and older men. I guess the main item is the lack of middle aged roles for American women (easier for British women... I suppose). I'm sure you saw Searching for Debra Winger. Did you? It is kinda like a strike force statement to Hollywood. And maybe Dunaway truly wasn't the kinda personality to make many friends. All those factors add up.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 6, 2024 21:31:31 GMT
Yeah - that's why I don't buy Dunaway as an upcoming AFI winner - even though the award is bullshit anyway - so maybe she gets it I dunno.......the people she had on her side never cast her in anything "major" after the early 80s ........they sort of bailed out on her then so why honor her now? ........and Brando REALLY benefts from all the movie school brats - ok Coppola - coming of age and power in the 70s - while all the other 50s "American icons" (getting sick of that word) were either dead (Bogart, Dean, Clift) or badly faltering (then Lancaster though he rebounded later and Douglas who had failed in a Mafia movie AND a Kazan movie in that period) ..........except for Holden a bit.........Brando was the only link to that kind of starry 50s actor that the movie brats really had idolized so much..........if Coppola had his way Brando would have been in The Conversation AND one scene in flashback in Godfather Part 2 also Am I missing anyone? but the 90s brat pack (the film school adjacents) were Tarantino, Mann, Spike, and Wong. None of them had any real parts for middle aged women amirite? Outside of that Ruby Dee role in Do the Right Thing and Jungle Fever... I forget if she's in that. Curtis Hanson had some parts but the main one went to Kim Basinger, and in Wonder Boys he had young women and older men. I guess the main item is the lack of middle aged roles for American women (easier for British women... I suppose). I'm sure you saw Searching for Debra Winger. Did you? It is kinda like a strike force statement to Hollywood. And maybe Dunaway truly wasn't the kinda personality to make many friends. All those factors add up.Well Spike Lee can't write for females much either - hi people who call me a racist - fuck you dummies ........yeah Debra Winger is a really good example except she was sheltered a bit whereas Dunaway was married to a big Rock star (Peter Wolf) and had male film connections.........Dunaway is like Jane Fonda but not for as long ........her peak is what - 10 years 67-77.........? I hope this doc does good things for her..........she did a lot of great stuff and any movie fan can find SOMETHING to like in Faye Dunaway
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Post by TylerDeneuve on May 6, 2024 21:35:59 GMT
I'm wondering if we shouldn't move the conversation to a thread dedicated solely to Dunaway? It's definitely a great conversation to have, just not really germane to this topic. I definitely didn't mean to derail the thread! I'm looking forward to the documentary about her life premiering at this year's Cannes festival. Directing the thread back on topic... Dunaway covering the poster for the 2011 festival... they do love their 60s beauties, don't they? Cardinale, Deneuve, Karina... I wonder who they'll choose this year?
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Post by stephen on May 6, 2024 21:45:44 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on May 6, 2024 23:00:36 GMT
Both The Shrouds and Megalopolis sound way more complicated as ideas than the runtimes suggest
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Post by stephen on May 13, 2024 22:37:19 GMT
Starting tomorrow, here's our schedule of competition and major titles:
5/14: The Second Act 5/15: Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga 5/16: Megalopolis, Bird, On Becoming a Guinea Fowl, Twilight of the Warriors: Walled In 5/17: Kinds of Kindness, Oh, Canada, Christmas Eve in Miller's Point, The Surfer 5/18: Emilia Pérez, Rumours, It's Not Me, Caught by the Tides, The Balconettes 5/19: Horizon: An American Saga, Limonov: The Ballad, The Substance, Dog on Trial (to reiterate, this movie is about a lawyer defending a dog who goes on trial) 5/20: The Shrouds, The Apprentice, Ernest Cole: Lost and Found 5/21: Anora, Parthenope, Marcello Mio 5/24: The Most Precious of Cargoes
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Post by Martin Stett on May 13, 2024 23:05:14 GMT
Starting tomorrow, here's our schedule of competition and major titles: 5/19: Dog on Trial (to reiterate, this movie is about a lawyer defending a dog who goes on trial) Cannes isn't even trying to put the best movies in competition anymore
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Post by stephen on May 13, 2024 23:06:05 GMT
Starting tomorrow, here's our schedule of competition and major titles: 5/19: Dog on Trial (to reiterate, this movie is about a lawyer defending a dog who goes on trial) Cannes isn't even trying to put the best movies in competition anymore That's because they want there to be some suspense. Can't have an obvious blowout Cannes sweeper like that.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 13, 2024 23:48:50 GMT
Dog on Trial (to reiterate, this movie is about a lawyer defending a dog who goes on trial) He's innocent. Should be a shoo-in for the Palm Dog.
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Post by stephen on May 13, 2024 23:50:11 GMT
Dog on Trial (to reiterate, this movie is about a lawyer defending a dog who goes on trial) He's innocent. Should be a shoo-in for the Palm Dog. Watch this be Primal Fear, but with a dog. "So there never was a Rover." "There never was a Fido, Counselor."
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Post by finniussnrub on May 14, 2024 0:09:31 GMT
He's innocent. Should be a shoo-in for the Palm Dog. Watch this be Primal Fear, but with a dog. "So there never was a Rover." "There never was a Fido, Counselor." "I jjj-just had to bite Daisy at the dog park, that bitch got what she deserved. But....tearing off the ankle of that son of a bitch mailman? That was just a fucking work of art".
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Post by stephen on May 14, 2024 14:11:47 GMT
This will be an extremely helpful resource the next week or so.
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Post by stephen on May 15, 2024 12:18:26 GMT
Quentin Dupieux's The Second Act:
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Post by TylerDeneuve on May 15, 2024 14:43:55 GMT
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Post by Martin Stett on May 15, 2024 15:09:58 GMT
Quentin Dupieux's The Second Act: In other words, it's a Quentin Dupieux movie, and you already know what you're in for.
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Post by stephen on May 16, 2024 11:49:49 GMT
It's Bird/Megalopolis day today.
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Post by stephen on May 16, 2024 12:23:28 GMT
Agathe Reisinger's Wild Diamond:
With this jury, I could see a Best Actress push for Malou Khebizi.
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Post by stephen on May 16, 2024 12:39:54 GMT
Magnus van Horn's The Girl with the Needle:
A possible Grand Prix/Jury Prize?
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Post by stephen on May 16, 2024 15:41:48 GMT
Andrea Arnold's Bird:
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Post by stephen on May 16, 2024 19:38:23 GMT
Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis:
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