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Post by TylerDeneuve on Dec 7, 2023 18:53:35 GMT
Just out of curiosity, I wanted to pose this question to the forum.
The answer is yes for me. Is it for you?
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 7, 2023 19:40:47 GMT
Gonna check my records for this year - this is just cursory sorting, but it gives the general idea:
American films: 88
Non-Amerian films: 138
This includes rewatches, but no short films or TV shows
As for movies that I liked, it sorts rather differently. There is currently no American movie in my top ten first watches of the year.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 7, 2023 20:47:17 GMT
American........I talked about this before that I think people should actually strive to consume the Art of their country. That attribute is the most important attribute of what makes you, well "you" imo......it's a part of shared experience more so than skin color, sexuality, gender, political POV, religion etc. ............a lot of people would disagree but I always feel the larger cultural climate trumps our specific, more narrow (imo) one. Now, of course that doesn't translate to all Art being worth consuming - and American movies aren't "great" to my taste these days but still - it's like in 2023 American Rock and Roll is nearly dead and embarrassing - but I'm always more excited by any random American movie......or author.....or band .......especially bands actually........The Bobby Lees or Kate Clover or Local Drags because they're so rare seem deeply special to me...... I mean there's always really good UK / Australian bands to embarrass us in the US ....big deal......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 21:23:17 GMT
Yes.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 7, 2023 21:30:36 GMT
American........I talked about this before that I think people should actually strive to consume the Art of their country. That attribute is the most important attribute of what makes you, well "you" imo......it's a part of shared experience more so than skin color, sexuality, gender, political POV, religion etc. ............a lot of people would disagree but I always feel the larger cultural climate trumps our specific, more narrow (imo) one. Now, of course that doesn't translate to all Art being worth consuming - and American movies aren't "great" to my taste these days but still - it's like in 2023 American Rock and Roll is nearly dead and embarrassing - but I'm always more excited by any random American movie......or author.....or band .......especially bands actually........The Bobby Lees or Kate Clover or Local Drags because they're so rare seem deeply special to me...... I mean there's always really good UK / Australian bands to embarrass us in the US ....big deal...... If the experience deserves to be shared, it *will* be shared (especially in the case of major cultural events). If you had your head in the sand on 9/11, you still would have heard it. The MCU was a major cultural event, for better or worse (it was the latter). Rajamouli is creating distinctly Indian spectacles that are not blatantly "relevant" to modern American audiences, but the themes of empire and justice and all that are universal. Why should I seek to watch an American production - small or large - if it isn't good, and does not offer that universal experience? Our shared cultural experiences will be filtered through what people organically experience and pass on to others. If you're seeking to fill a quota, you are ultimately forcing things instead of feeding an attribute that "makes you *you.*" I'm all for small independent American filmmakers that give me something I enjoy - time and again I have stated my adoration of Mickey Reece and the Adams Family. (By the by, have you seen any Reece outside of Agnes? I'm curious what you would think of Alien in particular - his most ambitious work, explicitly examining America's fascination with celebrity.) I believe that Americans should experience more of their work and that if they could influence American entertainment I'd be happier for it, but that doesn't mean that I see them any better or worse than S.S. Rajamouli, who makes big budget, culturally specific Indian movies that are so good that they can be enjoyed and have their messages spread no matter where you come from. Both have a lot to offer us. Furthermore, global entertainment is very common now. I have joked that I was "raised by Japan" because I grew up on Japanese video games and anime before I knew they were Japanese. If children grow up on international properties like Digimon (Digimon Tamers still rocks btw) or Final Fantasy, are they "less American" for it? Obviously not: the cultural influences of those works will permeate who they are. That is natural and organic and to be expected. There is a further argument asking where we get our art and values - Final Fantasy X has molded my personal views on self-sacrifice and religious freedom, for example - and whether or not an answer provided by a foreign culture is fitting for our own. In my opinion, foreign cultures are ABSOLUTELY fitting almost 100% of the time, whether or not you agree with said culture: it gives you another viewpoint, another way of looking at things that is not what you would normally have. I think that a mix of international art is a good thing for that alone.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 7, 2023 21:48:44 GMT
Yes
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 7, 2023 21:54:03 GMT
American........I talked about this before that I think people should actually strive to consume the Art of their country. That attribute is the most important attribute of what makes you, well "you" imo......it's a part of shared experience more so than skin color, sexuality, gender, political POV, religion etc. ............a lot of people would disagree but I always feel the larger cultural climate trumps our specific, more narrow (imo) one. Now, of course that doesn't translate to all Art being worth consuming - and American movies aren't "great" to my taste these days but still - it's like in 2023 American Rock and Roll is nearly dead and embarrassing - but I'm always more excited by any random American movie......or author.....or band .......especially bands actually........The Bobby Lees or Kate Clover or Local Drags because they're so rare seem deeply special to me...... I mean there's always really good UK / Australian bands to embarrass us in the US ....big deal...... Rajamouli is creating distinctly Indian spectacles that are not blatantly "relevant" to modern American audiences, but the themes of empire and justice and all that are universal. Why should I seek to watch an American production - small or large - if it isn't good, and does not offer that universal experience? Our shared cultural experiences will be filtered through what people organically experience and pass on to others. Good post - but ^ I'd disagree with this - Paul Thomas Anderson means more as an American than Rajamouli ever could as a non-American to me........now you can like Rajamouli better - hey I like Werner Herzog more than Spike Lee - whatever, that's fine ...........but it's important to see American made films to me - for an understanding of what they attempt to say about where I live in the moment and it's not just Marvel..........to me anyway.......it doesn't have to "be good" - it's rather the cultural shorthand of the attempt. I mean if I excluded Spike Lee entirely in comparison to Herzog........well I would have only seen better movies - for my taste - but I would have missed out entirely on Spike Lee's unique cultural take .........it's like exercising your brain to NOT marginalize Spike Lee and to open your mind to his uniquely American take ........your / I'm sort of staying sharp by viewing him and other American films............until eventually the better American movies come along
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 7, 2023 22:06:34 GMT
Rajamouli is creating distinctly Indian spectacles that are not blatantly "relevant" to modern American audiences, but the themes of empire and justice and all that are universal. Why should I seek to watch an American production - small or large - if it isn't good, and does not offer that universal experience? Our shared cultural experiences will be filtered through what people organically experience and pass on to others. Good post - but ^ I'd disagree with this - Paul Thomas Anderson means more as an American than Rajamouli ever could as a non-American to me........now you can like Rajamouli better - hey I like Werner Herzog more than Spike Lee - whatever, that's fine ...........but it's important to see American made films to me - for an understanding of what they attempt to say about where I live in the moment and it's not just Marvel..........to me anyway.......it doesn't have to "be good" - it's rather the cultural shorthand of the attempt. I mean if I excluded Spike Lee entirely in comparison to Herzog........well I would have only seen better movies - for my taste - but I would have missed out entirely on Spike Lee's unique cultural take .........it's like exercising your brain to NOT marginalize Spike Lee and to open your mind to his uniquely American take ........your / I'm sort of staying sharp by viewing him and other American films............until eventually the better American movies come along I mentioned Rajamouli intentionally. First off, there is cultural cross-pollination going on in his movies. Bahubali is The Lion King transplanted to an Indian culture - Rajamouli loves TLK and the influence is obvious (to the point that Pride Rock makes an appearance in his movie). But more importantly, his views on colonialism and empire and the benefits and pitfalls of cross-cultural relationships seen in RRR are ("RRR are?" ) absolutely things that can inform worldviews. As can Spike Lee. Lee is speaking directly to an American audience, Rajamouli is speaking directly to an Indian audience, and both are equally valuable in having different views presented and discussed. Or they would be if Lee had anything intelligent to say
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 7, 2023 22:15:49 GMT
Yeah, feels largely unavoidable as an American. Like I'd have to go out of my way to ensure I mostly saw non-American films. RRR are ("RRR are?" ) Bro over here sounding like a seal.
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 7, 2023 22:57:48 GMT
Good post - but ^ I'd disagree with this - Paul Thomas Anderson means more as an American than Rajamouli ever could as a non-American to me........now you can like Rajamouli better - hey I like Werner Herzog more than Spike Lee - whatever, that's fine ...........but it's important to see American made films to me - for an understanding of what they attempt to say about where I live in the moment and it's not just Marvel..........to me anyway.......it doesn't have to "be good" - it's rather the cultural shorthand of the attempt. Here's a sticking point for me - how many writers, American or otherwise, have an understanding of where I live in the moment? Lives are unique. I know some movies from other parts of the world that have a far greater "relevancy" to my personal circumstances than any American film, Hollywood or otherwise.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 7, 2023 23:23:38 GMT
Good post - but ^ I'd disagree with this - Paul Thomas Anderson means more as an American than Rajamouli ever could as a non-American to me........now you can like Rajamouli better - hey I like Werner Herzog more than Spike Lee - whatever, that's fine ...........but it's important to see American made films to me - for an understanding of what they attempt to say about where I live in the moment and it's not just Marvel..........to me anyway.......it doesn't have to "be good" - it's rather the cultural shorthand of the attempt. Here's a sticking point for me - how many writers, American or otherwise, have an understanding of where I live in the moment? Lives are unique. I know some movies from other parts of the world that have a far greater "relevancy" to my personal circumstances than any American film, Hollywood or otherwise. Oh I can see that - I often say that Hollywood hates 50% of this country politically - and this board does too - this board once had a thread that cheered a Koch brother dying ffs, I doubt they'd think it would be funny when George Soros kicks that can, yanno? , and geographically reduces the country to New York & Los Angeles (mostly)............and makes you think no one in America actually works or if they do they are lawyers, spies, or, weirdly, um - orchestra conductors. Even though I do see mostly American films it is quite true that American films are also driving people away more than ever I would say........part of the reason most people will say America in this thread especially if they live here - is just the sheer size of the American film industry - there are more options, weekly.......it was like mike d said ^ you really have to actively avoid American films for the answer to be different....
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Dec 7, 2023 23:29:59 GMT
Yeah, feels largely unavoidable as an American. Like I'd have to go out of my way to ensure I mostly saw non-American films. I'm wondering if this is true for all people who live in the Western world? I guess that's why I posed the question in the first place.
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Post by dazed on Dec 7, 2023 23:37:28 GMT
most definitely
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Post by JangoB on Dec 7, 2023 23:55:34 GMT
Yes, for two simple reasons: 1) they're easier to find and 2) they're easier to watch because the Americans have mastered the art of making smoothly digestible films more than anyone else.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 8, 2023 0:39:43 GMT
Yep
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 8, 2023 1:14:14 GMT
Here's a sticking point for me - how many writers, American or otherwise, have an understanding of where I live in the moment? Lives are unique. I know some movies from other parts of the world that have a far greater "relevancy" to my personal circumstances than any American film, Hollywood or otherwise. Oh I can see that - I often say that Hollywood hates 50% of this country politically - and this board does too - this board once had a thread that cheered a Koch brother dying ffs, I doubt they'd think it would be funny when George Soros kicks that can, yanno? , and geographically reduces the country to New York & Los Angeles (mostly)............and makes you think no one in America actually works or if they do they are lawyers, spies, or, weirdly, um - orchestra conductors. Even though I do see mostly American films it is quite true that American films are also driving people away more than ever I would say........part of the reason most people will say America in this thread especially if they live here - is just the sheer size of the American film industry - there are more options, weekly.......it was like mike d said ^ you really have to actively avoid American films for the answer to be different.... I don't actively avoid American films, but I do actively avoid recent movies. The theater experience means nothing to me unless it is something I'm EXTREMELY excited for. I'm going to the theater tomorrow (The Boy and the Heron), and that will be my second time this year (the first was for Spirited Away: Live on Stage, which I booked tickets for in advance only to find less than a dozen people in there) There are a couple next year (Madoka Magica: Walpurgisnacht, Alienoid 2) that I'll want to see as well, but the "experience" is a joke when I can watch something at home on a normal TV - not one of those widescreen things! - or even a laptop and be able to jeer and scream at the screen without bothering anyone. I'm absolutely serious, I do that. This means that the movies I am more interested in are things I'll hunt down - and many of those are foreign.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Dec 8, 2023 18:15:21 GMT
Would you say this is also true for the majority of people in your country?
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Post by JangoB on Dec 8, 2023 18:40:04 GMT
Would you say this is also true for the majority of people in your country? I think it used to be so until February 2022 but since then there's been a real push to shift the masses' interests from American stuff to local content, and I think that push has been successful. But honestly I don't really know what the fuck is happening with the people in my country anymore...
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Post by taranofprydain on May 31, 2024 21:25:46 GMT
Yes, undoubtedly. It's somewhat hard to get access to foreign-language films here (I tried signing up for the Criterion Channel, but it kept malfunctioning on me)
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Post by Barbie on Jun 10, 2024 20:56:04 GMT
American........I talked about this before that I think people should actually strive to consume the Art of their country.That attribute is the most important attribute of what makes you, well "you" imo......it's a part of shared experience more so than skin color, sexuality, gender, political POV, religion etc. ............a lot of people would disagree but I always feel the larger cultural climate trumps our specific, more narrow (imo) one. Now, of course that doesn't translate to all Art being worth consuming - and American movies aren't "great" to my taste these days but still - it's like in 2023 American Rock and Roll is nearly dead and embarrassing - but I'm always more excited by any random American movie......or author.....or band .......especially bands actually........The Bobby Lees or Kate Clover or Local Drags because they're so rare seem deeply special to me...... I mean there's always really good UK / Australian bands to embarrass us in the US ....big deal...... This shouldn't apply to Canada. Majority of the art produced by Canada is garbage
The original comedy shows especially are an abomination. Talented Canadians understandably jump ship and go to America.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 10, 2024 23:20:37 GMT
more are american than any other one country but it's not the majority i don't think
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Post by tep on Jun 11, 2024 0:34:24 GMT
Almost definitely over 50 percent... but probably not THAT much more
Of the last 20 movies I watched, 12 were American. So around 60 percent, based on that sample.
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