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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 13:56:13 GMT
Geez...as someone who can readily defend the 2nd and 3rd movies (4th is meh), this one might easily be the weakest film in the series, and it's supposed to be the finale (though the credits scene seems to suggest otherwise). Everything is so messy. Certain plot points are just treated like an "oh yeah, that happened" thing. I can't say too much without spoiling...so lemme use some tags. The main thing is that Will and Elizabeth's son (who is like 4 years younger than Knightley and only 12 younger than Bloom...so yeah, I had kind of a hard time believing this grown-ass dude was their son, for one thing) is trying to break Will's curse, so that clues you in that he wasn't free after At World's End. Then Will disappears til the end until the curse inevitably gets broken and Elizabeth runs in with no dialogue. Then there's the revelation that the new girl in the movie is Barbossa's daughter, which I'm sure was never once hinted before, and the fact that he IMMEDIATELY cares for her upon discovering this revelation seemed half-assed and forced to me. Not to mention his sacrifice at the end doesn't carry any emotional weight, despite Barbossa actually being one of my favorites in the series, but it just comes off a bit cloying and anticlimactic. None of these things ever feel as exciting or emotional as they should be, despite me having stuck around with these characters from the beginning. There's also the credits scene...the movie ended like a finale (not the best sendoff, but hey, I didn't make it) but it teases a villainous return that comes off less "GASP!" and more "ugh, seriously?" It's like bringing Megatron back from the dead A SECOND TIME, WHICH IS WHAT ANOTHER UPCOMING SHIT SHOW WILL FEATURE. Also, Bardem's ghost pirate is...silly. You could make a drinking game of every time he croaks that he wants to "kill the thparrow!" Shame because I was looking forward to him as the villain. If I had to say anything positive, it's...sigh...Depp still wins as Jack? Some of the old pirate crew members (Marty, Pintel and Ragetti) are back, albeit more as background characters and not the supporting players that get their own moments. I dunno. I can't say I hated or disliked the movie, but I'm having trouble saying much about it that's good.
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Post by Pavan on May 26, 2017 14:17:24 GMT
Not one word about Kaya Scodelario?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 14:41:18 GMT
Not one word about Kaya Scodelario? You know what, I totally forgot, she's actually the best new addition to the cast. Tough, smart, able to hold her own against the others. But I'm still not sold on Brenton Thwaites.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 14:50:03 GMT
What has happened to POTC after the 3rd chapter? My favorite will remain the 2nd & the 4th is so horrible.. I dunno if I'm gonna watch the last one!
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Post by jakob on May 26, 2017 15:00:18 GMT
I found it to actually be Depp's worst performance as Sparrow. It's like he's completely forgotten how to the play the character. It felt more like The Mad Hatter than Jack Sparrow. The last few films in general have completely abandoned the genius of the character in favor of a turkey that falls on its face for the lols. He also could have been removed from the plot and there would've been no change, he did nothing in the film to benefit the story.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 15:41:47 GMT
I found it to actually be Depp's worst performance as Sparrow. It's like he's completely forgotten how to the play the character. It felt more like The Mad Hatter than Jack Sparrow. The last few films in general have completely abandoned the genius of the character in favor of a turkey that falls on its face for the lols. He also could have been removed from the plot and there would've been no change, he did nothing in the film to benefit the story. Eh I wouldn't say it was in the same realm of terrible as The Mad Hatter. I still thought he was fine, though there was a significant lack of charm and wit that he could have brought to what was already a lackluster film.
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Post by jakob on May 26, 2017 21:19:22 GMT
I'll also add that I found it to be a passably entertaining adventure film, but an offensively lousy POTC film. I mean, that post credit scene alone can go fuck itself.
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Post by pendragon on May 27, 2017 0:59:04 GMT
What has happened to POTC after the 3rd chapter? They lost Gore Verbinski. I can't speak for the newest film, but Rob Marshall's work on the 4th one was a very noticeable step down.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 27, 2017 20:33:46 GMT
Just got done with it. Within 20 minutes, that bank scene made the Fast and Furious movies look plausible by comparison. On a serious note, honestly bored with it. I love Depp and Jack Sparrow, but I found him pretty insufferable this go. You can tell he really doesn't want to be doing this anymore. Henry and Carina felt like an obligatory Will and Elizabeth, and even the set-pieces didn't as much as they should have. Bardem is really good, and seems to be having a blast, and honestly felt more sympathetic than Jack nowadays. Largely, it just feels like a gargantuan retread because the well has run dry. It really is time that they call it quits. And in the movie's defense, it looks like that's what they're trying to do. They tie up a lot of those loose ends, sending Barbossa off with epic fanfare, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't get choked up at the Bloom/Knightley reunion. but knowing this series, I won't be surprised if they make another one.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 28, 2017 16:56:36 GMT
Let it go, Disney...
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Post by ibbi on May 28, 2017 17:17:02 GMT
As someone who hasn't rewatched any of the last 3 efforts after the initial big screen viewing, and can't remember that much about any of them... I liked this one a fair bit. I liked that it was less interested in Jack Sparrow. and more in Kaya Scodelario and that well meaning plank of wood. I thought Scodelario was really good, primarily because she had this genuinely great arc. A lot of the humour was certainly very juvenile, but I thought it was carried to success by the delivery of an ensemble that was generally in very fine form, and that Kevin McNally/Stephen Graham hat scene was a fucking comic work of art. There was nothing dramatically quite as eerie as that mermaid scene in the last movie, but it got a lot of power out of the admittedly kind of tacked on, but acceptable because it gave Geoffrey Rush something to do swerve that it took in the final act.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 28, 2017 19:37:36 GMT
It got a lot of power out of the admittedly kind of tacked on, but acceptable because it gave Geoffrey Rush something to do swerve that it took in the final act. That would have been great and all if they hadn't turned Barbossa into such a softy in the meantime. For a character who felt like more of a traditional, devilish, ruthless pirate captain compared to Jack's boozy rock star, this hard left turn into sentimentality really undermined what made him such a joy to begin with. It feels plucked from thin air and out of character, which may partly be why Rush doesn't seem to have his heart in it. Also, fun fact: When that extended trailer with Carina came out, I actually made the far-fetched prediction that she was going to be Jack's daughter.
I wasn't far off.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 19:43:55 GMT
Don't have much interest in this one. I thought the first three were all pretty flawed, despite having some genuinely interesting ideas and well done scenes. The fourth one was just flat out mediocre.
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Post by Sharbs on May 28, 2017 20:25:03 GMT
The best Pirates since Dead Man's Chest. Echoing just about everybody, Kaya Scodelario was MVP x 10.
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Post by mrimpossible on May 29, 2017 18:06:40 GMT
I went in with rock bottom expectations and I was pleasently entertained.
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Post by countjohn on May 30, 2017 1:16:33 GMT
Agree with the general consensus. It is lightyears better than the cinematic diarrhea that was the third film (didn't bother with the fourth one), but still not that good. I liked the girl and Rush is always good in these movies. He's gotten some criticism in reviews, but I thought Bardem served up some nice ham too.
The problems were that the action scenes were boring and Depp embarrasses himself in the role now. Part of it is that I think he's just too old, a 50 something year old man prancing around like that is just off-putting. Then in all the sequels the character has been too much of a caricature in both his performances and the writing.
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Post by Sharbs on May 30, 2017 14:06:37 GMT
Agree with the general consensus. It is lightyears better than the cinematic diarrhea that was the third film (didn't bother with the fourth one), but still not that good. I liked the girl and Rush is always good in these movies. He's gotten some criticism in reviews, but I thought Bardem served up some nice ham too. The problems were that the action scenes were boring and Depp embarrasses himself in the role now. Part of it is that I think he's just too old, a 50 something year old man prancing around like that is just off-putting. Then in all the sequels the character has been too much of a caricature in both his performances and the writing.
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Post by countjohn on May 30, 2017 21:56:27 GMT
Agree with the general consensus. It is lightyears better than the cinematic diarrhea that was the third film (didn't bother with the fourth one), but still not that good. I liked the girl and Rush is always good in these movies. He's gotten some criticism in reviews, but I thought Bardem served up some nice ham too. The problems were that the action scenes were boring and Depp embarrasses himself in the role now. Part of it is that I think he's just too old, a 50 something year old man prancing around like that is just off-putting. Then in all the sequels the character has been too much of a caricature in both his performances and the writing. Not familiar with the actress at all.
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Post by nic-dreadwolf-marling on May 31, 2017 23:32:59 GMT
I thought it was pretty bad overall. The effects were really great, and Scodelario and Thwaites did well especially Scodelario. Other than that I can't much else positive about it. Bardem did well enough with the very minimal that was given to him, but his character was so poorly written much like the rest of the film. Depp turned in one of the worst performances I've ever seen from him and it was painfully unfunny.
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Jun 11, 2017 15:26:44 GMT
I don't like it better or worse than Part IV but just like "On Stranger Tides" it is not on par with the original three movies ( and yes I loved the first and really liked the second and third) but it did have its moments and it did have some cool ideas and scenes. I particularly liked the ending which had some nostalgic and emotional vibes. But yes the franchise is more or less over, and I say that although I liked it. The screenplay and especially dialogues were really not good and rather dry - or try hard? Johnny Depp proves that he obviously only does it for the pay cheque (while i really was motivated in part 1 - 3 ) his character falls more and more flat. Javier Bardem was not good here either. I really did not like his character nor his performance. Glad that the great Geoffrey Rush was back and he was the only one who really seemed to have enjoyed being there. And I was happy to see Orlando Bloom back (never thought I would say that) because that brought back some tiny little dynamic the former films had. The two new youngsters Brenton Thwaits and especially Kaya Scodalario were fine and had decent enough characters and motivations. Why I still liked the film? The action scenes were great. Many fantastic stunts and action value which constantly kept me entertained. There were some really nice twists. Oh and they finally put more emphasize on the great score again. Cinematography and visual effects were also good. But if there is ever be a sixth one I hope they bring back Bloom and Keira Knightley in main roles again for nostalgic reasons and to bring back the old dynamic of the trio which is one of the reasons the first three films worked so well. Oh and Gore Verbinski probably wouldn't hurt either. 7/10
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Post by ibbi on Jun 11, 2017 18:19:35 GMT
I barely remember my specific reactions to the previous movies, all I know is after watching this one I felt more positive about it than I did the others. I thought as crass as the humour was it was brilliantly delivered, I thought Scodalario had a great arc, and was awesome, and that one action scene in particular where they're in the boat trying to get to land before they get caught was brilliant. I was sitting there waiting for them to completely abandon all logic to bail themselves out of the impossible corner they had built themselves in to, but they actually pulled it off with as much rationality as could have been expected. Good stuff. I liked the relatively scaled back nature of it too. That third movie got so bloated it was almost laughable (not saying it was bad, I liked it more than the second one) and aside from that mermaid scene I remember nothing about the fourth film.
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Jun 11, 2017 22:03:40 GMT
I barely remember my specific reactions to the previous movies, all I know is after watching this one I felt more positive about it than I did the others. I thought as crass as the humour was it was brilliantly delivered, I thought Scodalario had a great arc, and was awesome, and that one action scene in particular where they're in the boat trying to get to land before they get caught was brilliant. I was sitting there waiting for them to completely abandon all logic to bail themselves out of the impossible corner they had built themselves in to, but they actually pulled it off with as much rationality as could have been expected. Good stuff. I liked the relatively scaled back nature of it too. That third movie got so bloated it was almost laughable (not saying it was bad, I liked it more than the second one) and aside from that mermaid scene I remember nothing about the fourth film. Great to see you liked it as well. I agree it works because of the action scenes which had a great entertainment value.
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