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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 14:22:07 GMT
...and as an admirer of both, I have no problem with Scorsese retiring; at least from this genre. His next 4-hours crime biopic:  |
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Post by stephen on Oct 29, 2023 14:36:53 GMT
Leads: Gladstone gives the best performance of the three (and by quite some margin), but while on paper she should be lead, the film sidelines her so hard that I feel she winds up as a supporting performance in a film that desperately needs to center on her focus and perspective. I have massive issues with De Niro's performance in The Irishman, but most of them are really not his fault but rather the distracting de-aging, which undercuts him so hard at every turn. And then there's DiCaprio auditioning for Sling Blade 2.
Supporting: Now this is a tough one. For as much as I didn't like The Irishman, Pacino and Pesci are indeed very good in it. And then you've got De Niro in Killers giving a career-peak performance and the best work of his career since 1990. If I had to choose, I think I'd pick Pacino here only by a hair over De Niro, and then Pesci third, but it's razor-thin margins among all three.
Overall: Killers of the Flower Moon suffers from being a good story told from the wrong perspective and weighed down by a monomaniacal lead actor actively overwhelming the movie with his mugging. That said, The Irishman is just dull and feels every minute of its runtime. As much as I have issues with Killers, it's easily my pick here, even if I feel more disappointed with it because I feel the elements were all there to make a masterpiece, if only Scorsese hadn't gone the route he ultimately did. The Irishman was decades past its sell-by date.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Oct 29, 2023 14:51:55 GMT
Lead: Gladstone
Supporting: Pesci
Overall: The Irishman
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 29, 2023 15:08:30 GMT
* It's an Irishman sweep - but I'm not picking between Pacino / Pesci - Pesci is perfect, but the film doesn't work with Pesci and without Pacino who drives the movie - both - and De Niro - are inseperable and not replaceable - as great as De Niro is in KotFM the movie has far less forward momentum - it's great, but less so.......... The 3rd hour of The Irishman is gutwrenching........the third hour of KotFM is (mostly) redundant* The Irishman could only have been made in the way it was made - at the time it was made - ..........KotFM isn't that way at all - it's much more arbitrary with its length, POV, casting, etc.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Oct 29, 2023 15:13:30 GMT
Lead: Gladstone has far and away the least to do out of the three, but she's so luminous that I'm picking her.
Supporting: All three of these performances are incredible and some of the best work of each legend's respective careers. But I am just a sucker for seeing Pacino absolutely tear through pages of dialogue and his ability to play off De Niro is the stuff we all wanted to see for so long (fuck Righteous Kill).
Overall: What I find interesting is that both of these movies are elegies for American society. While The Irishman is a pretty great movie, I think Killers of the Flower Moon is the greater work and firmly place it among Scorsese's masterpieces.
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 29, 2023 16:42:48 GMT
Gladstone
Pacino
KOTFM
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Oct 30, 2023 4:04:56 GMT
De Niro
Pacino
The Irishman
The Irishman is a stone-cold masterpiece and my pick for Scorsese’s greatest film. Killers of the Flower Moon is very good, but not among Scorsese’s best imo. The former starts great and just gets better and better as it goes along... Killers starts great but diminishes slightly later on and doesn’t quite earn its runtime to me.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 30, 2023 13:47:25 GMT
De Niro
Pesci
The Irishman
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