Cinema Archives: 100 Greatest Actresses Of All-Time

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Cinema Archives: 100 Greatest Actresses Of All-Time Oct 24, 2023 9:40:40 GMT sirchuck23 likes this

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It's just a random blogger's site, and I've never taken it all that seriously , but it's a slow news day and I'm bored :laugh:

. This bloggers male actor rankings were pretty poor, but this is even worse. Lots of good names there, but the ordering is ...ooof! Scarlett Johnasson must be so pleased to know she's a greater all-time actress than Cate Blanchett, Kate Winslet, Sigourney Weaver, Vanessa Redgrave, Judi Dench, Isabelle Huppert and Glenn Close.

Marlene Dietrich a better actress than Bette Davis, Meryl Streep, Ellen Burstyn

Did any black actresses even exist for this blogger? You can find room for the likes of Kim Novak, but not for far superior actresses like Viola Davis, Whoopi Goldberg, Alfre Woodard, Cicely Tyson & Angela Bassett?

1. Ingrid Bergman
2. Liv Ullmann
3. Juliette Binoche
4. Barbara Stanwyck
5. Lillian Gish
6. Jeanne Moreau
7. Catherine Deneuve
8. Anna Karina
9. Giulietta Masina
10. Katharine Hepburn
11. Julianne Moore
12. Marlene Dietrich
13. Faye Dunaway
14. Diane Keaton
15. Monica Vitti
16. Frances McDormand
17. Meryl Streep
18. Ellen Burstyn
19. Deborah Kerr
20. Judy Garland
21. Mia Farrow
22. Ingrid Thulin
23. Maggie Cheung
24. Julie Christie
25. Sissy Spacek
26. Bette Davis
27. Tilda Swinton
28. Anna Magnani
29. Maria Falconetti
30. Nicole Kidman
31. Gong Li
32. Emily Watson
33. Naomi Watts
34. Setsuko Hara
35. Natalie Portman
36. Elizabeth Taylor
37. Scarlett Johansson
38. Gena Rowlands
39. Kate Winslet
40. Kinuyo Tanaka
41. Cate Blanchett
42. Emma Stone
43. Alida Valli
44. Kristen Dunst
45. Hanna Schygulla
46. Julie Delpy
47. Audrey Hepburn
48. Rachel Weisz
49. Uma Thurman
50. Lauren Bacall
51. Sigourney Weaver
52. Jane Fonda
53. Isuzu Yamada
54. Jodie Foster
55. Charlize Theron
56. Vivien Leigh
57. Holly Hunter
58. Shirley MacLaine
59. Jean Arthur
60. Carey Mulligan
61. Bibi Andersson
62. Helen Mirren
63. Isabelle Huppert
64. Claudia Cardinale
65. Janet Gaynor
66. Joan Fontaine
67. Marion Cotillard
68. Amy Adams
69. Michelle Williams
70. Claudette Colbert
71. Simone Signoret
72. Grace Kelly
73. Laura Dern
74. Joan Crawford
75. Vanessa Redgrave
76. Glenn Close
77. Isabelle Adjani
78. Zhang Ziyi
79. Penelope Cruz
80. Shelley Winters
81. Ruth Gordon
82. Irène Jacob
83. Patricia Arquette
84. Liza Minnelli
85. Harriet Andersson
86. Saoirse Ronan
87. Maureen O’Hara
88. Teresa Wright
89. Judi Dench
90. Gwyneth Paltrow
91. Tatyana Samoylova
92. Susan Sarandon
93. Audrey Tautou
94. Thelma Ritter
95. Anne Bancroft
96. Anne Dorval
97. Helena Bonham Carter
98. Hilary Swank
99. Kim Novak
100. Anna Paquin

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Cinema Archives: 100 Greatest Actresses Of All-Time Oct 24, 2023 10:40:06 GMT

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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 24, 2023 10:40:06 GMT

* Far worse than the male list - like waaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse - which people complain about that but that was pretty much dead on target for the top 11 men if you scramble the order ........this female list clearly betrays a lack of film watching depth as opposed to the male list ......but again - a big part of this list is filmography too:

* The African American actress community doesn't fit this lists criteria much - big films, great and significant films matter to them - hence Denzel being 43 on the male list .....

Goldberg is the one in that criteria that could have made it somewhere..........but she's like Travolta - in a way (and he had more hits and didn't make the male list) people don't equate the film's worthiness to them much ..........Davis, Woodard, Cicey Tyson are great actors but not deep in movies....it makes a kind of sense.........but it is bad optics especially for someone like me who really cares about things like DEI and the systemic racism of America .......nah just kidding GTFO ......movies have their own history - not always good - reflect the true history don't rewrite it......you can say Bassett didn't matter much despite being as good as she is......and she didn't tbh

* THe biggest wtf here is Geraldine Page missing who is arguably the American female Brando (there isn't one imo but she's close) - but again - it's filmography......you either value it as a metric or you don't but how O'Toole (after the 60s) /Lange / Page / Close / Washington / Cage and all those weaker filmography people are seen is always a component of it......I don't know why people argue it tbh.....either say "It doesn't matter to me at all" or "It matters to me a lot or somewhat" but don't pretend it DOESN'T matter to many people :laugh:

So Page should be like Washington was for the dudes - maybe a bit lower - but obviously on the list........huge omission.....

* Jeanne Moreau @ 6 is a great pick......another one "like Brando" for importance who often gets taken for granted......

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Cinema Archives: 100 Greatest Actresses Of All-Time Oct 24, 2023 10:56:22 GMT sirchuck23 likes this

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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 24, 2023 10:56:22 GMT

You're saying an awful lot to try and explain a seriously terrible list :laugh:

. I now realise why you never posted it, despite being so high on this blogger. Kim Novak on an all-time great actress list is :gonemad:

. Being in Vertigo doesn't mean shit. The acting chops need to be for real. She was never better than servicable as an actress, and often unconvincing.

It's ok. I'm sure you'll be able to find a slightly more credible random blogger on the internet to promote here (main criteria: don't rate Denzel too highly. Added bonus, if said blogger doesn't rate Nicole Kidman too highly. That'll show him )

Wish you good fortune on your search!

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Cinema Archives: 100 Greatest Actresses Of All-Time Oct 24, 2023 11:04:17 GMT

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Oct 24, 2023 10:56:22 GMT pupdurcs said:

Wish you good fortune on your search!

Thank you!

I wish you good fortune on the moderators still hating you, your attempts to find a racist behind every corner and mostly in your support of Rafael Nadal in his attempts to walk

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Cinema Archives: 100 Greatest Actresses Of All-Time Oct 24, 2023 17:18:34 GMT Tommen_Saperstein and pacinoyes like this

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Post by countjohn on Oct 24, 2023 17:18:34 GMT

Streep at 17 is ridiculous and just feels like someone mad that she's a bit overnommed. K. Hepburn at 10 is a bit low too. Other than that pretty solid, standard list although as I've discussed before I don't quite get the Ingrid Bergman cult either. Glad to see Deborah Kerr, Portman, Scarlett, Audrey, and Rachel Weisz in the top 50. Glad Anne Bancroft made it at all. Probably a bit low for Amy Adams too. Glad Saoirse made it but she's earned being higher at this point as well.

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Cinema Archives: 100 Greatest Actresses Of All-Time Oct 24, 2023 18:09:31 GMT stephen likes this

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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Oct 24, 2023 18:09:31 GMT

Generally think lists like these are better off being unranked. There is much more to glean from the individual write-ups than the list itself - though unsurprisingly it seems they were more slight on the write-ups for the women than they were for the men.

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Cinema Archives: 100 Greatest Actresses Of All-Time Oct 24, 2023 18:38:06 GMT

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Oct 24, 2023 9:40:40 GMT pupdurcs said:

Marlene Dietrich a better actress than Bette Davis, Meryl Streep, Ellen Burstyn

I don't like this list either, but this feels like the worst take on this thread.

Dietrich is a legend, foo. And yes, I'd take her over Burstyn, Streep, and Davis. She doesn't quite have the full catalog of performances like Streep or Davis, but that's the only thing. Otherwise she is definitely more compelling, and more ahead of her time than Davis, and is acclaimed for all the right performances unlike Streep who over half of her acclaimed works (mostly after 2003) are very very dull.

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Cinema Archives: 100 Greatest Actresses Of All-Time Oct 24, 2023 18:45:04 GMT

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Oct 24, 2023 18:38:06 GMT urbanpatrician said:

Oct 24, 2023 9:40:40 GMT pupdurcs said:

Marlene Dietrich a better actress than Bette Davis, Meryl Streep, Ellen Burstyn

I don't like this list either, but this feels like the worst take on this thread.

Dietrich is a legend, foo. And yes, I'd take her over Burstyn, Streep, and Davis. She doesn't quite have the full catalog of performances like Streep or Davis, but that's the only thing. Otherwise she is definitely more compelling, and more ahead of her time than Davis, and is acclaimed for all the right performances unlike Streep who over half of her acclaimed works (mostly after 2003) are very very dull.

Yes, Dietrich is a legend. No question. I'm not questioning her legendary status as an entertainer. A great movie star/cabaret singer/whatever. But for me, only a solid actress. You hardly ever hear Dietrich in GOAT actor conversations, because she has no business in them. She was to me a great star more than she was a great actress. So yeah, I 100% stand by that take.

Better "movie star" than Streep. Probably. Better "actress" than Streep. No way in hell. And I'm far from a Streep fanboy and think a lot of her work has been overrated.

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Cinema Archives: 100 Greatest Actresses Of All-Time Oct 24, 2023 18:57:37 GMT

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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 24, 2023 18:57:37 GMT

Oct 24, 2023 17:18:34 GMT countjohn said:

Streep at 17 is ridiculous and just feels like someone mad that she's a bit overnommed.

This happens more now I think - this "the best isn't the best - it's __________ instead"!

It has something to do with list culture in general and reacting either on purpose or subconciously to other lists........before this became a thing (last 10 years or so?) someone might just say "I don't like Streep" - but the tool of a list somehow gives them almost like a mechanism to punish an artist or something........athletes too.........it's the "Tom Brady Effect"

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Cinema Archives: 100 Greatest Actresses Of All-Time Jan 31, 2024 7:53:50 GMT

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Post by thelistenercanon on Jan 31, 2024 7:53:50 GMT

Revising old thread since I read carefully: Even though I love her, the idea of Kirsten Dunst being better than Vivien Leigh, Bibi Andersson, Isabelle Huppert, Joan Crawford, and Irene Jacob is laughable. To me, that's like if someone ranked Van Halen better than Led Zeppelin, Beatles, Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, and The Who. I do ranked EVH as my 2nd GOAT behind Hendrix but his band is nowhere near those legends. Of course opinions are opinions.

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