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Post by TylerDeneuve on Oct 1, 2023 21:22:28 GMT
Of the two trilogies in which all three installments received Best Picture nominations, which do you think is the stronger overall? pacinoyes - The bolded is why they're being compared, pac. 
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Post by stephen on Oct 1, 2023 21:24:35 GMT
No contest. As a trilogy, it's Jackson.
I mean, you can make the argument that The Hobbit is Jackson's Godfather: Part III (and that is a very rational comparison that would be fascinating to explore), but Jackson stuck the landing on three films, whereas the Michael Corleone story was done in two and didn't need a third.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 1, 2023 21:40:41 GMT
Why are these being compared anyway? The Godfaher had to be written and expanded in the moment - over 18 years they weren't already successful books that were merely shot - big fncking deal.............also The Godfather is about birth and sin and Death and fate.........and the Jackson just has dragons and bullshit.........not to be mean but............. grow up ffs  Also, Coda: The Death of Michael Corleone supersedes The (original) Godfather Part 3 - so if you haven't seen Coda go play with your magic sword (um) and that is the better version of the 3rd film and I guarantee you when you are old and on your fncking death bed you plebs you will be thinking of Michael Corleone - or Frank Sheeran - and not some fantasy dude with hairy feet....... My nerves with you people - we have nothing in common!    |
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 1, 2023 21:47:14 GMT
The Lord Of The Rings, as a trilogy obviously.
The first two Godfather films are masterful, but the 3rd one was kind of a pointless waste time that really dropped the ball. It was a cash grab and a vanity project. Coppola casting his non-acting daughter in a key role, deciding not to pay Robert Duvall what he was worth and then replacing him with the eternally lightweight George Hamilton....Francis Ford was really smelling himself, because the fatal mistakes he made on that 3rd film are legion. And no, a "Redux/Re-edit" doesn't change anything, as the flaws in Part 3 are unfixable. Pacino doesn't even feel like he's playing the same character in 3. And that fucking crew cut....oy!
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Post by stephen on Oct 1, 2023 21:55:07 GMT
The Lord Of The Rings, as a trilogy obviously. The first two Godfather films are masterful, but the 3rd one was kind of a pointless waste time that really dropped the ball. It was a cash grab and a vanity project. Coppola casting his non-acting daughter in a key role, deciding not to pay Robert Duvall what he was worth and then replacing him with the eternally lightweight George Hamilton....Francis Ford was really smelling himself, because the fatal mistakes he made on that 3rd film are legion. And no, a "Redux" doesn't change anything. Yeah, don't get me wrong -- there are things I like about Godfather: Part III (specifically the production design, and I think the Vatican stuff works very well in theory but the rest of the film cannot sustain it; I wish Coppola had taken that idea and made an original story out of it that wasn't connected in any way to The Godfather), but there's just too much wrong with it that no recut could really salvage it. That film is flawed in its DNA. Also not entirely sure why The Godfather would be lionized for themes like "sin and death and fate" when that is literally what The Lord of the Rings is about, based on Tolkien's wartime experiences and the ethos of post-WWI Europe. Just because it has orcs and elves doesn't make it any less impactful. Again, though, I think the comparison points should be Godfather/Godfather: Part II vs. the original Rings trilogy, and then Godfather: Part III vs. The Hobbit. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Oct 1, 2023 22:01:19 GMT
For me, this is essentially asking if 2 Godfathers is better than The Lord of the Rings. And to that, I say yes, but that's with me discarding Part III/Coda.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 1, 2023 22:10:49 GMT
Also not entirely sure why The Godfather would be lionized for themes like "sin and death and fate" when that is literally what The Lord of the Rings is about, based on Tolkien's wartime experiences and the ethos of post-WWI Europe. Just because it has orcs and elves doesn't make it any less impactful.It's the dragons probably stephen.............I'mmina say it's probably the dragons  ......."orcs and elves"  |
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Oct 1, 2023 23:15:18 GMT
Also not entirely sure why The Godfather would be lionized for themes like "sin and death and fate" when that is literally what The Lord of the Rings is about, based on Tolkien's wartime experiences and the ethos of post-WWI Europe. Just because it has orcs and elves doesn't make it any less impactful.It's the dragons probably stephen.............I'mmina say it's probably the dragons ......."orcs and elves" *nasally, lispy nerd voice* UM THERE ARE NO DRAGONS IN LORD OF THE RINGS HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN THESE MOVIES GOOD SIR?? |
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 2, 2023 0:09:48 GMT
It's the dragons probably stephen.............I'mmina say it's probably the dragons ......."orcs and elves" *nasally, lispy nerd voice* UM THERE ARE NO DRAGONS IN LORD OF THE RINGS HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN THESE MOVIES GOOD SIR?? actually I have (he said proudly!) - Which is more than I can say for that one "Denzel has 2 of my 5 favorite performances!" dumbfuck in this thread who hasn't seen Coda and is opining on it anyway - hey how about we compare The Godfather Trilogy to The Equalizer Trilogy instead? .......... how about if I shot you.......how'd that be? ( Badlands reference ) ........how about if we talked "trilogies" in tennis - like how the Big 3 just became the Big 1 huh? That Djokovic thread is waiting on your apology - what do you think you know less about - acting, movies or tennis? ................... pobre cita.......Side note: I'm going to say this again -for Jackson - the books already existed and he shot them - I get the comparison because of the BP nods ........ but The Godfather Part 3 is not like The Hobbit either.............it had to be written from scratch for the screen - THAT - like 2 also - is the key difference to this comparison - it's not that Coda isn't up to the standard of 1 & 2 ( it's certainly not) - it's that 2 was a total miracle in the first place.......people snarkily dismissing Part 3 is bullshit to me and ignores how hard that was to pull off and I can find several big critics who use the "Masterpiece" word JUST for Part 3 btw...... people can like what they like that's cool - the fantasy thing just is not my thing and I'm having some mean-spirited fun with it - but I'm also serious: ............it's just not an apples to apples comparison just because you can slap "trilogy" on both of the series of films imo.......
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 2, 2023 0:19:53 GMT
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Post by countjohn on Oct 2, 2023 2:52:47 GMT
The first Godfather is by far the best movie here but LOTR hits on all three so that has to be the answer. Plus just the cohesion between the three films which is another way to look at this.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Oct 2, 2023 4:22:46 GMT
The first two Godfathers are collectively my favorite thing ever put on film, so individually I’d put those above any of the films in the LOTR trilogy... but as a unified three-part narrative unit, I have to go with the latter. While I don’t hate Coda/Part 3 like some do (it’s like a 6.5/10 for me), it’s just too deeply flawed to make the trilogy satisfying as a whole. I will say that I think Coda does somewhat improve on the original cut... but not in a way that completely transforms the experience for me.
And as much as I appreciate that The Godfather Part 3 had to be written from scratch for the screen (unlike LOTR) and how hard that was to do... what really matters to me ultimately is the end result. So while I suppose Jackson & co. had it “easier” in adapting Return of the King, the thing I’m evaluating at the end of the day is what I’m watching on the screen in front of me, not the process of creating it.
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Post by Martin Stett on Oct 2, 2023 5:14:17 GMT
The lowest point of the Godfather trilogy is higher than the middle point of the LotR trilogy.
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Post by Nikan on Oct 2, 2023 7:16:02 GMT
Don't take this the wrong way Tyler but of all the members on this forum you were the last one who I'd guess would bring up such a poll  |
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Post by wilcinema on Oct 2, 2023 10:40:31 GMT
There are so many creative licenses in Jackson’s work that claiming he shot the book page by page is outlandish. I agree with Stephen, the first two Godfathers are some of the pinnacles of film history but as a trilogy, LOTR is untouchable.
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Post by JangoB on Oct 2, 2023 10:53:46 GMT
The LOTR movies are astonishing but I roam this inner La La Land desert where The Godfather: Part III is actually a masterwork and where I'd take the primal tragedy of its final opera scene over anything in LOTR so... Believe me, it's lonely among these dunes. But it's what it is.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 2, 2023 11:18:37 GMT
The LOTR movies are astonishing but I roam this inner La La Land desert where The Godfather: Part III is actually a masterwork and where I'd take the primal tragedy of its final opera scene ....... That sequence which actually starts for me before the actual opera around the time of the line "love somebody else" through to the Coda last scene which ends like a novel and perfectly sums up the trilogy imo.........is one of the greatest thngs Coppola ever shot and it's long too - like 40 minutes maybe (not sure?).........you can read the whole movie as an excuse to stage just that bravura sequence One of my favorite things is on the steps of the opera house you can hear faintly in the background as Talia Shire draws her cape echoing an image in the opera - someone else shouts "they murdered Maria!" - which echoes the opera directly in text as it did Shire in image - "They have murdered Turiddu!" .......I think the silent majority of opera fans need to speak up more tbh |
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 19, 2024 0:05:12 GMT
Godfather easily. The first two LOTR films are wonderful, but Return of the King is actively bad - a bloated, anticlimactic bore. It's stunning how poor it is in comparison to the first two. The Godfather Part III is actually a surprisingly good movie, just not remotely in the stratosphere of the two masterpieces that preceded it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 19, 2024 0:09:48 GMT
Godfather easily. The first two LOTR films are wonderful, but Return of the King is actively bad - a bloated, anticlimactic bore. It's stunning how poor it is in comparison to the first two. The Godfather Part III is actually a surprisingly good movie, just not remotely in the stratosphere of the two masterpieces that preceded it. Have you seen the "new" cut - Coda: The Death of Michael Corleone? I think it's - clearly better than the previous cut which I also like - and will eventually be the "official" 3rd film ......... |
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Post by ibbi on Jan 19, 2024 17:35:26 GMT
If we're just talking about the original theatrical cuts of the films then I think it's a laughable comparison, because the first Lord of the Rings film is the only great one.
If we go with the extended ones, then Two Towers gets up to a similar level to the first film, but the third film still lags behind. That's similar to The Godfather, obviously, but I think Godfather 3 is really only bad in comparison to the first two films, whereas Return of the King is a work of hilarious mediocrity whatever you're comparing it to.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 19, 2024 21:39:08 GMT
Now The Lord of the Rings trilogy is an extraordinary achievement for Peter Jackson and fantasy. I have a lot of respect for what he did with that. He could have just stopped after that, really, and basked in it for eternity. But uh... Still not fair!  |
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