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Post by Martin Stett on May 8, 2023 13:43:16 GMT
Ballots due on 7/8 (Two months away) Welcome to the Movie Awards Redux Past Awards for 1997. The following categories will have up to 7 nominees: Best Picture Best Director Best Actor Best Actress Best Supporting Actor Best Supporting Actress Best Original Screenplay Best Adapted Screenplay The following categories will have up to 5 nominees: Best Ensemble Cast Best Cinematography Best Production Design Best Costume Design Best Makeup and Hair-styling Best Stunt, Fight and Dance Choreography Best Visual Effects Best Editing Best Sound Mixing Best Sound Editing Best Original Score Best Original Song Please submit ranked ballots to me. You can submit ballots with less than the category's number or without certain categories. The top 8 categories will be scored thus" 1. 5 points 2. 4 points 3. 3 points 4. 2 points 5. 1 point 6. 1 point 7. 1 point You can submit just 5 if you'd like and your top choice will still get the full points. Less than 5 and it will count for fewer points. The eligibility period will be for the first theatrical release in any country. Festival releases still don't count though. Look on IMDb for that information. When asked for eligibility, I will update a post below. RECEIVED BALLOTS: 1. stephen 2. Tommen_Sapperstein 3. JangoB 4. themoviesinner 5. coop032
6. dadsburgers
7. finniussnrub
8. Schiggy
9. avnermoriarti
10. thomasjerome
11. Martin Stett
12. therealcomicman117
13. RiverLeavesElmius
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Post by Martin Stett on May 8, 2023 13:43:36 GMT
Movies that I know are not eligible:
Hard Eight
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Post by Martin Stett on May 8, 2023 13:55:56 GMT
FYC
Down Periscope
Best picture
Best original screenplay
Best ensemble
The Phantom
Best picture
Best supporting actor - TREAT WILLIAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best adapted screenplay
Best costume design
Twister
Best picture
Best original screenplay - I MEAN IT, MAKE IT HAPPEN
Best ensemble
Best visual effects
Best sound mixing/editing
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Post by stephen on May 8, 2023 14:11:09 GMT
FYC:
Pusher:
Best Picture
Best Director - Nicolas Winding Refn
Best Original Screenplay
Best Editing
Bound:
Best Actress - Jennifer Tilly
Hamsun:
Best Actor - Max von Sydow (DO NOT VOTE IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS!!!)
Killer: A Journal of Murder:
Best Actor - James Woods
Dragonheart:
Best Score (THIS SHOULD WIN!)
Best Costume Design
Star Trek: First Contact:
Best Supporting Actress - Alice Krige
Best Makeup
Best Visual Effects
Best Sound Editing
Best Sound Mixing
The Ghost and the Darkness:
Best Sound Editing
Best Sound Mixing
Best Score
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Post by Martin Stett on May 8, 2023 14:16:59 GMT
So this may be controversial because it's an animated film, but I've gotta FYC Aladdin and the King of Thieves for BEST COSTUME DESIGN. Also best original song:
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Post by Martin Stett on May 8, 2023 14:25:09 GMT
while I'm talking animated films, don't forget:
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Best supporting actor - Tony Jay
Best original score
Best original song - HELLFIRE
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Post by JangoB on May 8, 2023 14:30:28 GMT
Some FYCs: Hamlet for... Picture Director Actor Costume Design Ensemble PRODUCTION DESIGN CINEMATOGRAPHY  Mission: Impossible for... Director Editing Sound Mixing Choreography A Summer's Tale for... Picture Director Original Screenplay Irma Vep for... Picture Director Original Screenplay Crash for... Picture Director Adapted Screenplay Make-Up & Hairstyling The Portrait of a Lady for... Actress Production Design Costume Design SCORE and for Best Actor... Mel Gibson in Ransom |
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Post by finniussnrub on May 8, 2023 16:58:35 GMT
Preemptive question: Are we disqualifying Fargo from Original score? It does have a few purely original tracks, but the main theme, aka the one everyone remembers, directly lifts its melody from "The Lost Lamb".
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Post by Martin Stett on May 8, 2023 17:05:40 GMT
Preemptive question: Are we disqualifying Fargo from Original score? It does have a few purely original tracks, but the main theme, aka the one everyone remembers, directly lifts its melody from "The Lost Lamb". I'll open this to discussion, as I was unaware of this lifting. |
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Post by stephen on May 8, 2023 17:08:43 GMT
Preemptive question: Are we disqualifying Fargo from Original score? It does have a few purely original tracks, but the main theme, aka the one everyone remembers, directly lifts its melody from "The Lost Lamb". I personally don't nominate it because the year is that strong, but I personally would allow for it because a.) originality is overrated, and b.) using an existing motif shouldn't invalidate it. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 8, 2023 17:17:56 GMT
fycs:
A Summer's Tale
Best Director
Best Original Screenplay
Bound
Best Director
Best Actress - Tilly & Gershon (but especially Tilly)
Best Supporting Actor - Joe Pantoliano
Best Original Screenplay
Best Editing
Sling Blade
Best Director
Best Actor - Billy Bob
Best Adapted Screenplay
Best Ensemble
Scream
Best Director
Best Original Screenplay
Best Ensemble
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 8, 2023 17:22:48 GMT
some song fycs to kick things off but I hope ppl share more
"Hellfire" - Hunchback of Notre Dame
"God Help the Outcasts" - Hunchback
"Two Little Sisters" - Marvin's Room
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 8, 2023 18:42:44 GMT
FYC Original Score
"Crash" - Howard Shore
"Portrait of a Lady" - Wojciech Kilar
"Sling Blade" - Daniel Lanois
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 8, 2023 18:48:14 GMT
and one last batch of Performance FYCs
best actor
Nathan Lane - The Birdcage
Timothy Spall - Secrets & Lies
supporting actor
Paul Scofield - The Crucible (please make this happen)
Martin Donovan - Portrait of a Lady
Alan Rickman - Michael Collins
Hank Azaria - The Birdcage
supporting actress
Katrin Cartlidge - Breaking the Waves
Courtney Love - The People vs. Larry Flynt
Bonnie Hunt & Renee Zellweger - Jerry Maguire
Natalie Portman - Beautiful Girls (great performance in a gross film, per the norm with 90s Portman)
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Post by finniussnrub on May 8, 2023 19:17:01 GMT
Preemptive question: Are we disqualifying Fargo from Original score? It does have a few purely original tracks, but the main theme, aka the one everyone remembers, directly lifts its melody from "The Lost Lamb". I personally don't nominate it because the year is that strong, but I personally would allow for it because a.) originality is overrated, and b.) using an existing motif shouldn't invalidate it.I mean it is more than a motif it's the full song and that song is the vast majority of the score. It's perhaps why the academy had best adapted score for awhile to recognize arrangements, which is different from the original score. The question is what limitation is there? For example, do you count Leonard Rosenman for Barry Lyndon who didn't write anything new but arranged several classical pieces? |
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Post by Martin Stett on May 8, 2023 19:22:20 GMT
I didn't know this song was original, but it made Stephen's ballot and OHHHHH YEEEEEES
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Post by stephen on May 8, 2023 19:23:07 GMT
I personally don't nominate it because the year is that strong, but I personally would allow for it because a.) originality is overrated, and b.) using an existing motif shouldn't invalidate it.I mean it is more than a motif it's the full song and that song is the vast majority of the score. It's perhaps why the academy had best adapted score for awhile to recognize arrangements, which is different from the original score. The question is what limitation is there? For example, do you count Leonard Rosenman for Barry Lyndon who didn't write anything new but arranged several classical pieces? And that is the million-dollar question. Personally, Barry Lyndon wouldn't count because it was the arrangement of the pre-existing music that was original, and while I would definitely consider it for a Best Soundtrack award, I wouldn't do so in this case. Fargo, though, feels more akin to taking that existing motif and playing around with it, creating something from it in a similar way to, say, the soundtrack to Black Swan. I guess the question is, should we call it a Best Original Score category in the first place? Just drop the "original" and I think that clears up the matter. |
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Post by finniussnrub on May 8, 2023 19:28:24 GMT
I mean it is more than a motif it's the full song and that song is the vast majority of the score. It's perhaps why the academy had best adapted score for awhile to recognize arrangements, which is different from the original score. The question is what limitation is there? For example, do you count Leonard Rosenman for Barry Lyndon who didn't write anything new but arranged several classical pieces? And that is the million-dollar question. Personally, Barry Lyndon wouldn't count because it was the arrangement of the pre-existing music that was original, and while I would definitely consider it for a Best Soundtrack award, I wouldn't do so in this case. Fargo, though, feels more akin to taking that existing motif and playing around with it, creating something from it in a similar way to, say, the soundtrack to Black Swan. I guess the question is, should we call it a Best Original Score category in the first place? Just drop the "original" and I think that clears up the matter. Well it is tricky, but I think you do need to parse it out case by case, as Black Swan's score has those themes from the ballet, but they're more interwoven/played with, where listen to "The Lost Lamb/Lost Sheep" that is "Fargo, North Dakota". But since there is some original work in there ("The Highway Massacre" track) I say take it to a vote. |
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Post by stephen on May 8, 2023 19:29:09 GMT
And that is the million-dollar question. Personally, Barry Lyndon wouldn't count because it was the arrangement of the pre-existing music that was original, and while I would definitely consider it for a Best Soundtrack award, I wouldn't do so in this case. Fargo, though, feels more akin to taking that existing motif and playing around with it, creating something from it in a similar way to, say, the soundtrack to Black Swan. I guess the question is, should we call it a Best Original Score category in the first place? Just drop the "original" and I think that clears up the matter. Well it is tricky, but I think you do need to parse it out case by case, as Black Swan's score has those themes from the ballet, but they're more interwoven/played with, where listen to "The Lost Lamb/Lost Sheep" that is "Fargo, North Dakota". But since there is some original work in there ("The Highway Massacre" track) I say take it to a vote. I mean, I would say just pick the five better scores of the year and completely bypass it entirely, but yes, let's take it to a vote. |
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Post by stephen on May 8, 2023 19:33:21 GMT
More FYCs:
Brassed Off:
Best Supporting Actor - Pete Postlethwaite
Best Original Screenplay
Scream:
Best Supporting Actor - Matthew Lillard
Best Original Screenplay
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Post by finniussnrub on May 8, 2023 19:40:11 GMT
Anyway with that discussion out of the way some off the beaten path FYC's: Best Actor:   (Terrible film but he's dynamite)  Best Actress:   Supporting Actor:  (Deserves to be remembered with Buscemi) Supporting Actress:  Song: Score: |
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Post by mhynson27 on May 8, 2023 23:22:46 GMT
FYC: Lillard, Ulrich and Barrymore in Scream
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Post by themoviesinner on May 9, 2023 14:52:05 GMT
FYC: Best ActorAnthony Wong - Ebola Syndrome (Probably the GOAT performance) Marcello Mastroianni - Three Lives And Only One DeathFYC: Best Actress: Ayumi Ito - Swallowtail ButterflyFYC: Best Supporting Actor:Elias Koteas - CrashChris Penn - The FuneralTreat Williams - The PhantomFYC: Best Supporting Actress: Elizabeth Pena - Lone Star
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Post by JangoB on May 10, 2023 11:08:00 GMT
DO NOT OVERLOOK: Best ActressLaura Dern, Citizen Ruth Jennifer Jason Leigh, Kansas City Best Costume DesignAll the crazy stuff from 101 Dalmatians! |
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Post by coop032 on May 10, 2023 17:53:35 GMT
So many amazing performances that year. Best Supporting Actor feels especially stacked with a lot of great choices. Want to remind you all of a few great ones.
Edward Norton - The People vs Larry Flynt (I like him here even more than Primal Fear)
Bill Murray - Kingpin
Dwight Yoakam - Sling Blade
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