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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Feb 3, 2023 18:32:01 GMT
The Oscar nominated My Year of Dicks is actually pretty friggin’ good. And it lives up to its wonderful title
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Post by Barbie on Feb 8, 2023 5:10:40 GMT
Just saw this...Viola Davis finally got her EGOT the other day and is now complaining about getting snubbed for The Woman King in a roundabout way and shading Riseborough's campaign by putting "grassroots" in quotation marks. Pathetic http://instagram.com/p/CoYTBIzPXUc
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 8, 2023 5:32:07 GMT
She's not wrong. Black-directed and black-led films were largely ignored on nomination day when there were several opportunities to recognize them. Nothing for Nope which made the VFX shortlist and has been racking up tech mentions all season for sound & cinematography, nothing for Woman King despite Davis hitting all the precursors and Gersha Phillips more than deserving of a costume design nom and Prince-Blythewood getting multiple BD mentions, and nothing for Till when Deadwyler was supposed to be a frontrunner. People can defend Riseborough and her campaign all they want (her performance was excellent and more than deserving IMO) but I don't like people trying to gaslight the naysayers into ignoring the fact that this whole situation looks bad. You can defend Riseborough's performance without denying the racist elephant in the room.
Considering she hit every single precursor and her film was entirely blanked, I think Davis's statement was pretty measured.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Feb 8, 2023 5:55:37 GMT
She's not wrong. Black-directed and black-led films were largely ignored on nomination day when there were several opportunities to recognize them. Nothing for Nope which made the VFX shortlist and has been racking up tech mentions all season for sound & cinematography, nothing for Woman King despite Davis hitting all the precursors and Gersha Phillips more than deserving of a costume design nom and Prince-Blythewood getting multiple BD mentions, and nothing for Till when Deadwyler was supposed to be a frontrunner. People can defend Riseborough and her campaign all they want (her performance was excellent and more than deserving IMO) but I don't like people trying to gaslight the naysayers into ignoring the fact that this whole situation looks bad. You can defend Riseborough's performance without denying the racist elephant in the room. Considering she hit every single precursor, I think Davis's statement was pretty gracious and measured. NOTHING gracious about a former Oscar winner who just became an E.G.O.T thinking they were OWED a nomination, and being petty enough to put "grassroots" in quotations. FUCK that shit! Petty and condescending A.F.! And someone hitting all the precursors and not getting in is nothing new. Swinton hit all the precursors in 2012, and so did Lady Gaga last year. Shit, didn't Redmayne practically hit them all this year too? Though it wouldn't be a good look for her either, Deadwyler has much more right to complain as she was a safer bet for a nod and is a relative newbie. Davis is a prolific veteran, and this pity party + racism accusing IS pathetic and beneath her. For once, I agree with Barbie (i.e. the old "broken clock" saying) and, as usual, you're talking outta your ass.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Feb 8, 2023 6:54:13 GMT
Glad to see aggressive name-calling and belittling is very much alive.
Can’t we all agree that Jenny should be to Oscars 2023, what Uggie was to 2012?
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Feb 8, 2023 7:11:21 GMT
Glad to see aggressive name-calling and belittling is very much alive. Can’t we all agree that Jenny should be to Oscars 2023, what Uggie was to 2012? Hey dude, can you get off my ass plz?? I've never had ANY beef with you whatsoever, and this new habit you've developed as of late to passive-aggresively "call out" my posts directed at other people is really borderline unprovoked TROLLING. Ironically, the only "name-calling" I did in my last reply to Tommy was directed at Viola Davis, not him (and no, saying someone is talking out their ass isn't name-calling). So you now feel you have to defend and protect the delicate feelings of not only other members, but EGOT Hollywood vets as well?? I have people on this board I fucking despise and that I'm hard on for good reason. But for all the hoopla and pearl-clutching, it's literally usually only like 5 or 6 people. Not that many. And some other people I used to really despise I've outgrown the contempt & feel indifferent about now cuz they haven't fucked with me for a few years now and, afaic, it's water under the bridge. You're trying to start some shit with me completely unprovoked and it's really just annoying and self-righteous more than anything else. And I'm not gonna start calling you "names" just cuz you have a bug up your ass about my posts as of late, so you're really wasting time. Why don't you just let other users fight their own battles and leave me be? UGH, that last post wasn't even that fucking harsh!
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Post by Barbie on Feb 8, 2023 7:27:39 GMT
She's not wrong. Black-directed and black-led films were largely ignored on nomination day when there were several opportunities to recognize them. Nothing for Nope which made the VFX shortlist and has been racking up tech mentions all season for sound & cinematography, nothing for Woman King despite Davis hitting all the precursors and Gersha Phillips more than deserving of a costume design nom and Prince-Blythewood getting multiple BD mentions, and nothing for Till when Deadwyler was supposed to be a frontrunner. People can defend Riseborough and her campaign all they want (her performance was excellent and more than deserving IMO) but I don't like people trying to gaslight the naysayers into ignoring the fact that this whole situation looks bad. You can defend Riseborough's performance without denying the racist elephant in the room. Considering she hit every single precursor and her film was entirely blanked, I think Davis's statement was pretty measured. 1) I'm not buying that those snubs are evidence of racism. I genuinely don't understand why people are acting like this year was a final chance for black women and black artists to get nominations. Is it racism every single time a black artist or any poc doesn't get every nomination or win possible? It's getting insane at this point. The hysteria, the hyperbole, it's embarrassing. It's hitting me that this is just entitlement
2) Jordan Peele was nominated and won an Oscar for Get Out, but now that Nope didn't get a nom, that's racism? That's disingenuous framing. And he won an Oscar for skewering the very white liberals who gave him that award. But it's racism when his movie doesn't get a nom. Ok
3) so what if Davis hit all the precursors? She's not the first actor to get snubbed despite having all the right factors on paper. White actors get snubbed all the time. And Davis has THREE Oscar nominations and won an Oscar. And I'm supposed to believe AMPAS snubbing her is racism lmfaoooo. Even Deadwyler's snub isn't racism. It *looks* bad, but that's not proof of racism. That's just race obsessed/identity politics obsessed losers who look at everything, and I mean everything, through an identity lens. They completely disregard a whole bunch of other factors
4) What about genre bias against action movies? Maybe that's a more likely explanation for Davis' snub than claiming an AMPAS favorite and "Black Meryl Streep" is experiencing racism. I don't see anyone claiming misogyny over Mia Goth not getting a nomination for her horror film. People pointed to genre bias. But I love that everyone is ignoring Angela Bassett got an Oscar nomination and won big awards for her performance in a MARVEL MOVIE. It shows how full of shit this racism discourse is. A black actress overcame genre bias against a comic book movie to get a nomination. The same comic book movie also got Oscar nominations for the first movie with it's all black cast. That counts for nothing? Please
5) It's telling that people are ignoring historic number of acting nominations for poc in one year with Yeoh, Ke, Hsu, Chau, and Bassett. But because not every single poc got in, everyone is melting down. People are cynically weaponizing the real problem of racism to frame their personal entitlement as oppression. That's repulsive
6) Riseborough's campaign has a *perceived racism* problem. But again, it's because of race obsessed losers who have idpol on the brain. I fully agree the optics look bad. I've said that repeatedly, but that doesn't make it actually racist so let's make that clear. And I don't even support Riseborough's nomination. She was so unremarkable and her campaign was badly handled.
Honestly, if these hysterical people actually stopped and used their brains for a second, they'd understand that this game is about wins and losses. It is a long game. You cannot erase 90 years of racism in Hollywood overnight. You win some and you lose some.That is what happens to every single person on this planet including "evil privileged white colonizers" . As more poc get opportunities and more projects are driven by poc, there will be a bigger talent pool and more art by poc to choose from. But this constant playing of the race card to guilt trip AMPAS into nominating and rewarding poc isn't how you get poc more deserving recognition. All you're doing is pushing mediocrity for the sake of diversity. It's crazy how every single time the success rate isn't 100% for poc, it's turned into a social justice crusade
ETA: why does no one care that a WOC won Best Director 2 years ago? But because a black woman didn't get a BD nom yet, it's racism and end of the world. There aren't many black women directors directing feature films in the first place. Let's fix that issue first instead of whining about AMPAS not rewarding what barely exists
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 8, 2023 7:39:13 GMT
Look I pretty much hated - not really hated but severely disliked The Woman King - which fudged history so much it seemed inauthentic and slanted to me ..........and that's if you knew the history or not - as a movie it rang false....and compromised its drama..........to me.....so........ While I feel Gina Prince-Bythewood's pain and Viola Davis' too ......I don't feel it that much .........and not more than I feel it it for other non-nominees this year (Park for one) that THR op-ed that Bythewood wrote just seems like Film Twitter-ish sour grapes - she mentions the Cinemascore ffs ..... Not saying she doesn't have a point in a "general - for example" sense but The Woman King specifically isn't the movie to argue for her point imo.........ymmv.....and if your looking for something to be outraged about today, I'm sure this falls somewhere between number 1,075-42,516 ......for me.........26,173 Now, about this Chan Wook-Park thing......
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Post by Barbie on Feb 8, 2023 7:49:31 GMT
Look I pretty much hated - not really hated but severely disliked The Woman King - which fudged history so much it seemed inauthentic and slanted to me ..........and that's if you knew the history or not - as a movie it rang false....and compromised its drama..........to me.....so........ This is another issue that gets overlooked. Maybe people were turned off by that and didn't wanna go near it. It also didn't help that some people defending the historical inaccuracies were basically like "It's our turn to fudge history! White people got away with it so why shouldn't we?"
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 8, 2023 10:38:24 GMT
Just saw this...Viola Davis finally got her EGOT the other day and is now complaining about getting snubbed for The Woman King in a roundabout way and shading Riseborough's campaign by putting "grassroots" in quotation marks. Pathetic http://instagr.am/p/CoYTBIzPXUc She's absolutely right.
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Post by finniussnrub on Feb 8, 2023 11:39:35 GMT
I do think it is kind of funny within the controversy how infrequently I see anyone mention Brian Tyree Henry's nomination, despite getting very little precursor love overall. I guess the academy was being racist in lead actress (well despite de Armas and Yeoh being nominated) but not in supporting actor.
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 8, 2023 12:30:03 GMT
I do think it is kind of funny within the controversy how infrequently I see anyone mention Brian Tyree Henry's nomination, despite getting very little precursor love overall. I guess the academy was being racist in lead actress (well despite de Armas and Yeoh being nominated) but not in supporting actor. Wouldn't de Armas be white?
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Post by finniussnrub on Feb 8, 2023 13:48:09 GMT
I do think it is kind of funny within the controversy how infrequently I see anyone mention Brian Tyree Henry's nomination, despite getting very little precursor love overall. I guess the academy was being racist in lead actress (well despite de Armas and Yeoh being nominated) but not in supporting actor. Wouldn't de Armas be white? That changes depending on cultural perspectives. However, by generalized American perception, which is the perspective this controversy largely exists in, anyone of Spanish-speaking heritage born in a Middle/South American country is typically considered part of a racial minority, regardless of whether or not their family has any native South/Middle American heritage.
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Post by stephen on Feb 8, 2023 13:55:17 GMT
Wouldn't de Armas be white? That changes depending on cultural perspectives. However, by generalized American perception, which is the perspective this controversy largely exists in, anyone of Spanish-speaking heritage born in a Middle/South American country is typically considered part of a racial minority, regardless of whether or not their family has any native South/Middle American heritage. Yeah, the fact that Ana de Armas is white-presenting doesn't mean she isn't still a minority, and it actually does diminish that aspect of things when people try to say "well, she's white so it doesn't matter."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 14:05:05 GMT
Ana de Armas is definitely on the white spectrum... Her heritage is Spanish, not indigenous. To suggest otherwise is just weird and myopic to me.
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 8, 2023 14:08:20 GMT
Wouldn't de Armas be white? That changes depending on cultural perspectives. However, by generalized American perception, which is the perspective this controversy largely exists in, anyone of Spanish-speaking heritage born in a Middle/South American country is typically considered part of a racial minority, regardless of whether or not their family has any native South/Middle American heritage. I would suppose this is true, but she's nominated for playing Marilyn Monroe. If she had any sliver of non-whiteness she would never have been cast in the first place.
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Post by Barbie on Feb 8, 2023 14:13:40 GMT
I do think it is kind of funny within the controversy how infrequently I see anyone mention Brian Tyree Henry's nomination, despite getting very little precursor love overall. I guess the academy was being racist in lead actress (well despite de Armas and Yeoh being nominated) but not in supporting actor. Good point! I forgot about him. His was a surprise nomination, and imo a seriously undeserving one. No one in Causeway gave a worthy performance
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 8, 2023 14:16:17 GMT
I do think it is kind of funny within the controversy how infrequently I see anyone mention Brian Tyree Henry's nomination, despite getting very little precursor love overall. I guess the academy was being racist in lead actress (well despite de Armas and Yeoh being nominated) but not in supporting actor. Good point! I forgot about him. His was a surprise nomination, and imo a seriously undeserving one. No one in Causeway gave a worthy nomination It is about racial representation after all. Besides he most likely took Eddie Redmayne's spot who didn't exactly generate much passion unlike Danielle Deadwyler and Viola Davis.
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Post by Barbie on Feb 8, 2023 14:50:52 GMT
Good point! I forgot about him. His was a surprise nomination, and imo a seriously undeserving one. No one in Causeway gave a worthy nomination It is about racial representation after all. Besides he most likely took Eddie Redmayne's spot who didn't exactly generate much passion unlike Danielle Deadwyler and Viola Davis. So BTH just boosts my point even more yet an EGOT winner is complaining about how Hollywood is so unsupportive of black artists bc she and her colleagues on the movie didn’t get a nomination 🙄
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Post by stephen on Feb 8, 2023 15:04:55 GMT
Here's the thing: Viola Davis may have more insider privilege, name recognition, and awards success than a lot of her contemporaries, but she still can use her position to amplify other people who don't have that and her success might been even greater if she didn't have to deal with industry- and society-wide hindrances that are still very apparent when it comes to race and gender in Hollywood. All of these things can be true at once. Davis may come off as having sour grapes over it all, but she's been very outspoken about how she's had to face so many extra hurdles not just for her skin color but for her gender, and missing out in the end despite doing everything right by the usual metrics (hitting all precursors, the film being a healthy box-office success, etc.) obviously chafes. She is not wrong for feeling the way she does.
Do I think Davis, Deadwyler, Prince-Bythewood et al. were owed Oscar nominations? No. Nobody is. But are they working uphill against a system that historically has marginalized and stigmatized people of color (especially women of color) and are finally in a position where they can speak out about it? Of course. They are all fully within their right to speak out about it.
As for the gotcha moments about Brian Tyree Henry, it should be noted that there is a specific issue with Best Actress, and that's the fact that there has been only one winner of color in nearly a century of the award's existence. That is a problem. Now, I do feel like a lot of the outrage has muted what is an incredible accomplishment on Michelle Yeoh's end of things (first openly Asian actress to be nominated for this category), and it does feel like the specific focus on Best Actress has minimized an amazingly diverse slate of nominees across the board. But the conversation is less about whether black actors are owed spots, and more about why it seems like even when they play by the rules laid out by the industry, there's an inordinate short-changing of them in the end. Everyone thought Deadwyler and Davis were safe by their precursor run, but clearly they weren't. And the question is, why?
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 8, 2023 15:17:35 GMT
Now, I do feel like a lot of the outrage has muted what is an incredible accomplishment on Michelle Yeoh's end of things (first openly Asian actress to be nominated for this category) I think the reason why the reaction on her nomination is muted is a) she was always a lock and b) she's so close to winning that just a nomination (aka if Cate wins) would feel like a loss.
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Post by stephen on Feb 8, 2023 15:18:54 GMT
Now, I do feel like a lot of the outrage has muted what is an incredible accomplishment on Michelle Yeoh's end of things (first openly Asian actress to be nominated for this category) I think the reason why the reaction on her nomination is muted is a) she was always a lock and b) she's so close to winning that just a nomination (aka if Cate wins) would feel like a loss. But that doesn't change how momentous it is and it feels like it was mostly glossed over in the wake of To Leslie-gate.
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Post by ibbi on Feb 8, 2023 15:52:41 GMT
The really funny thing to me here is her talking about ALLYSHIP, supporting a marginalized group without being a part of it. Where's the love for the benefactors who have overcome the plight? For Michelle Yeoh, Hong Chau, Ke Huy Quan, Stephanie Hsu, Brian Tyree Henry, Ana de Armas?
Why pretend as if this is about anyone other than herself and her (comically mediocre) movie?
If Till or The Woman King got snubbed twenty years ago that would be one thing, but in the age of Parasite, Moonlight, the fish-fucking movie? Get a grip. Should Woman King have gotten a Costume Design nomination? Sure, maybe, but how about some love for Ruth Carter or Shirley Kurata? They too overcame the plight. Did Viola and Deadwyler technically get snubbed? Sure, so did Eddie Redmayne. Shit happens.
That non-white, non-male people are finally able to star in and make these big blockbuster/biopic movies is tremendous. Sadly (playing fast and loose with the word 'sadly'), the time when people thought this kind of mediocre stuff was worth garlanding with awards is long gone.
The clearly and obviously paradigm-shifting shake-up of the make-up of AMPAS' membership that was implemented a few years ago is part of the reason for that. That was also a massively refreshing step in the right direction, and the results of it have been clear and obvious. Just off the top of my head this year we've got Darius Khondji his first nomination in over a quarter of a century, and Mandy Walker as the third woman ever nominated in cinematography.
If your movie still isn't getting nominated then maybe, just maybe, the fault is with your movie.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Feb 8, 2023 17:53:04 GMT
Ana de Armas is definitely on the white spectrum... Her heritage is Spanish, not indigenous. To suggest otherwise is just weird and myopic to me. Yup, spoken like a white guy! 🙄 As a "white-looking" Latino from Puerto Rico (where our "heritage" is generally considered to be a melting pot from many different ethnicities and countries), I can definitely say I have NEVER felt like a white man or had even a sliver of "white privilege." Bottom line: To a violent bigot who knows I'm Hispanic, I'm just as loathsome as a dark-skinned Latino and just as susceptible to a hate-crime attack from such an individual. White people wouldn't have to worry about that kind of guy. Also, I can pass for white and I mastered English from a young enough age that I've spoken it with ZERO accent since my teens and thus could convincingly play a white guy in a movie (or even pass as white to strangers who didn't know my name), but Ana de Armas has a THICK Cuban accent that would make her Latin ethnicity obvious in any interview, and it has likely limited the kind of roles she could do. Dominik was going out on a limb casting her and while I think she was amazing and I rarely noticed her accent, the film's haters and even many who praised her performance have mentioned they could hear her Cuban accent and it was a distraction. Enough said. I'm not white, and she's not white (though she's "whiter-looking" than me, lol), but someone who would claim she's white IS almost certainly white.
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Post by Brother Fease on Feb 9, 2023 22:14:32 GMT
I have the highest respect in the world for Viola Davis, but I don't agree with her. Look, I get it. She's mad that her film got blanked at the Oscars. It's not about race people. Moonlight had a predominately black cast, and that won Picture, Adapted Screenplay, and Supporting Actor. Hidden Figures, Fences, Ma Rainey's Black Bottom, Black Panther and One Night in Miami, all were up for major Oscars. Not sure if I agree with this whole race thing. This year, we Everything Everywhere All At Once up for 11 Oscars. You have Ana de Armas, Brian Tyree Henry, Angela Bassett, Hong Chau, Kazuo Ishiguro, Sarah Polley, and Lesley Paterson (Cross Triathlon World Champion).
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