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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 7, 2022 22:59:55 GMT
Nicole Kidman recently achieved a rare feat as an actor/actress primarily recognised as a non-American to recieve the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award .
Which Non-American actor/actress do you think is most likely to recieve this recognition next (or at all), the highest accolade that can be bestowed by the American film industry
Only 4 non- American performers have ever recieved the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award ( Elizabeth Taylor, Sean Connery Julie Andrews & Nicole Kidman) so it's not common to give out to actors commonly perceived as non-American (even if they have dual nationality like Anthony Hopkins, Kidman, Blanchett , Taylor etc)
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Post by rhodoraonline on Dec 7, 2022 23:29:28 GMT
Voted Hopkins, DDL and Blanchett. Jim Carrey should get an honorary Oscar at some point. Also, Bale has been an American citizen since the Batman day so I don't think he belongs on this list.
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 7, 2022 23:31:27 GMT
You have to accept it, though, right? I can easily see someone like DDL not agreeing to have a very public, televised thing with collaborators coming out praising him, unless he's like 80 years old. Whereas with a Hopkins, why not? Could also see DDL agreeing and saying "Fuck it".
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 8, 2022 0:11:39 GMT
Blanchett has every award except the AFI in terms of career achievement awards so I'd say she's the most obvious......her and Kidman go in the same circles with those kind of things and she's a little younger too.......here she is getting her César Award.........just a couple days ago I posted her with her Goya .........Blanchett got those 2 and the Lincoln Center Award - which is basically a legend award - all in the last year so she's been taking lots of victory laps before Tar even..... Sophia Loren would be nice to see ......love to see Huppert or Adjani......but.........doubt it........
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 8, 2022 0:14:05 GMT
I dunno if any of the actors/actresses on the poll are going to get it (maybe Daniel Day-Lewis feels most likely at this point, but I don't know if he's considered an iconic enough "movie star" outside of industry circles. Laurence Olivier was s far bigger movie star than DDL and he never got it. Michael Caine and Anthony Hopkins should have been up for it years ago, but they don't seem like a priority for the AFI, considering their advanced ages).
The fact that in 50 years of existence, they have only given it to 4 non-American actor/actresses, shows how hard it is, especially when there's a backlog of American stars/legends still waiting to recieve it (Jeff Bridges, Sigourney Weaver, Glenn Close, Jodie Foster etc) who still may never get it.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 8, 2022 0:16:07 GMT
You have to accept it, though, right? I can easily see someone like DDL not agreeing to have a very public, televised thing with collaborators coming out praising him, unless he's like 80 years old. Whereas with a Hopkins, why not? Could also see DDL agreeing and saying "Fuck it". DDL likes awards, especially major ones like AFI. He would be unlikely to turn it down if offered, imho.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 1:32:36 GMT
I'd say three non-Americans - Elizabeth Taylor may have held dual British citizenship and been born in London, but I do think Americans see her as a native.
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 8, 2022 6:33:54 GMT
You have to accept it, though, right? I can easily see someone like DDL not agreeing to have a very public, televised thing with collaborators coming out praising him, unless he's like 80 years old. Whereas with a Hopkins, why not? Could also see DDL agreeing and saying "Fuck it". DDL likes awards, especially major ones like AFI. He would be unlikely to turn it down if offered, imho. Perhaps. But it's different than just winning an Oscar. It's very much about having people shower approbation on you, famous co-stars, for an entire evening.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 8, 2022 7:14:31 GMT
I don't know if Cate Blanchett is iconic enough of a film/TV star to have anything other than an outside chance of one day of getting it (she may end up with 3 Oscars one day, but I also don't see Frances McDormand, who is a 3 time Oscar winning actress ever getting the AFI for similar reasons, though she also has an outside shot. Just like I don't see Jessica Lange getting it with her 2 Oscars either). Nicole Kidman's iconic stature in the American film/TV industry was really highlighted by her being picked to front the AMC ad campaign. I don't think Blanchett has the stature with audiences to be picked to front a campaign like that, and I feel like that kind of iconic status with audiences factors into getting the award. I'd argue Kidman shoring up her American audience appeal with huge TV hits in recent years ( Big Little Lies, The Undoing etc) and Being The Ricardos being a huge streaming hit has contributed to her being able to get the AFI. Kidman is an all-timer as a star and an actress. Blanchett is maybe only an all-timer as an actress. Not so much as a star.
Blanchett could one day get it, but I don't think she's anywhere as obvious a choice as some. Tar may win her awards, but it's making little dent with regular audiences. I actually think Kate Winslet might stand a slightly better chance one day (though I don't think she'd be a priority for AFI either), because she's been the leading lady in hugely successful, audience drawing projects like Titanic and Mare of Easttown. It's actually difficult to think of any hugely successful projects with American audiences (film or TV) that Blanchett has truly carried/led. Mrs America wasn't exactly a ratings juggernaut and most of her biggest movies have had her in supporting roles ( Lord Of The Rings, The Aviator, Thor Ragnorok, Don't Look Up etc)
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 8, 2022 7:29:49 GMT
DDL likes awards, especially major ones like AFI. He would be unlikely to turn it down if offered, imho. Perhaps. But it's different than just winning an Oscar. It's very much about having people shower approbation on you, famous co-stars, for an entire evening. Good point, but I still don't think DDL would have much problem hearing acting colleagues and directors sing his praises for an evening. I mean, he showed up to collect the Richard Harris Career Achievement Award for the British Independent Film Awards ( BIFA) and that's small fry compared to the AFI. Lifetime Achievement Award
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 8, 2022 7:40:22 GMT
I'd say three non-Americans - Elizabeth Taylor may have held dual British citizenship and been born in London, but I do think Americans see her as a native. Good point about Taylor being percieved as an American native. She lived in America since she was about 7 years old. Jeez, it's quite insane how difficult it is to get this award as a perceived non-American performer. Wild to think that only Connery, Andrews and Kidman have done it.
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Post by stabcaesar on Dec 8, 2022 7:57:55 GMT
Maggie Smith
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 8, 2022 8:06:14 GMT
Really Smith isn't really a super-iconic leading lady to American audiences. She's a respected character actress, but that really isn't enough to get the AFI, imho. Especially when you think that they haven't even given it to some British/Irish leading men who had an iconic stature with American audiences at some point in their career (Olivier, Caine, Hopkins, O'Toole etc).
I don't think Smith would ever seriously be in the running. They won't even give it to someone like Ellen Burstyn, who's American.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2022 14:07:57 GMT
I'd say three non-Americans - Elizabeth Taylor may have held dual British citizenship and been born in London, but I do think Americans see her as a native. Good point about Taylor being percieved as an American native. She lived in America since she was about 7 years old. Jeez, it's quite insane how difficult it is to get this award as a perceived non-American performer. Wild to think that only Connery, Andrews and Kidman have done it. Yep! Really her only claim to being British is that she was born in London (to American parents). It would be like saying Kidman isn't Australian because she was born in Honolulu.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 8, 2022 17:23:25 GMT
Probably Hopkins and/or DDL. Not saying they for sure would get it based on what you've discussed here on factors for getting the award, but those would be the best bets for non-Americans especially for their impact/roles in Hollywood/American films. Hopkins for Dr. Hannibal Lecter, and DDL for Daniel Planview, Abraham Lincoln, etc.
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 8, 2022 17:24:32 GMT
But the daughter of the Satanist cult Leader Dr. Antony Kidman was born in Hawaii.-
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Nacimiento: 20 de junio de 1967 (edad 55 años), Honolulu, Hawái, Estados Unidos.
Not only but also several actors from the list have US citezenship.-
So my choice should be Tony, but I choose Dan instead.- Even when I think he doesn't deserves, because of his very limited Hollywood filmography.-
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 8, 2022 18:18:30 GMT
But the daughter of the Satanist cult Leader Mr. Antony Kidman was born in Hawaii.- The Seccond over 50 year most talented red hair Baalenciaga Model
Nacimiento: 20 de junio de 1967 (edad 55 años), Honolulu, Hawái, Estados Unidos Classic.......... or um..........typical hugo.....depending on your POV..........but especially that in bold - I laughed ngl ..........: The AFI is a nice award - it's prestigious - but Steve Martin has the AFI so............. I'm not saying he's not worthy........but Eddie Murphy doesn't .........I think you can reasonably call Eddie Murphy the 2nd best comic actor / star - ever in the English language - arguably behind Peter Sellers obviously - I mean I wouldn't rank him that high - I'm old school - Alec Guinness ftw ............. but it's not that odd to say that about Murphy in the modern era .........and he made a lot more big time money than Steve Martin ........so the AFI is not above criticism in assessing their picks from year to year ........I could see it being Maggie Smith tbh.......I dunno......... I mean Redford doesn't have one and you can legitimately argue him fitting the AFI "criteria" far more than several winners ......it's not really an award of greater comparative merit exactly, it's rather an award for a considerable career achievement ......so it's always up in the air Also DDL really may not want this - I mean he showed up in that clip to get an award, but not sit there and have people fellate him for the whole night ......that's a different thing - like the Kennedy Center Honor - DDL's whole schtick is "I don't need you to tell me I'm great I have 3 Best Actor Oscars and 4 BAFTAs" ..........and within that discussion he ain't wrong exactly ..........I mean dude is retired and I've never thought he's coming back ........for anything Speaking of outside US people Charlize Theron will probably get this one day ......but not "next" and certainly not before Blanchett without some headscratching going on anyway.......
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 8, 2022 20:08:00 GMT
Hopkins and Day-Lewis seem obvious, but also I'm surprised nobody mentioned Mirren. She's also like catnip for certain older people that might make up a good majority of the AFI.
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 8, 2022 20:44:02 GMT
Hopkins and Day-Lewis seem obvious, but also I'm surprised nobody mentioned Mirren. She's also like catnip for certain older people that might make a good majority of the AFI. I dodon'think she deserves that. Because before 2001 her American Career was almost irrelevant.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 9, 2022 19:06:31 GMT
To be fair, even though no one was talking about Mirren, she has the 4th most votes on the poll, so she's definitely seen as a possibility by some.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Dec 10, 2022 10:42:52 GMT
It better be Anthony Hopkins.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 10, 2022 17:13:11 GMT
It better be Anthony Hopkins. Agreed. He should be next.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Dec 11, 2022 18:08:28 GMT
It better be Anthony Hopkins. Agreed. He should be next. Give him these flowers while he's here is what I'm saying.
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